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Forum: Armchair-GM21 juill. 2022 à 16 h 11
Sujet: Just Dreaming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boomer125</b></div><div>No it's not close, Foegle cost the 2nd to dump so retention is now not an option, Samorukov is worth absolutely nothing and provides the Hawks with nothing, so essentially you've assumed a 1st and an approaching Bust winger gets one of the league's best forwards to play the game at 50% off. It's a no from Chicago</div></div>

I think its closer than you think it is. You have to remember that Chicago is lining up for the chance at Bedard so the chances of Kane resigning after this year are almost zero. They are not going to care about $5M retained given what they are going to ice this year but they are going to want asset retention for him. There may be better deals to be had but I don't think its going to command more than a serviceable middle 6 guy, 1st round pick and a blue chip prospect. Most GM's who's team are contenders (where Kane will waive his NMC to go) will not have more to offer than that. Just my humble opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 avr. 2022 à 17 h 23
Sujet: Playoff Success
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rookescr96</b></div><div>I'm an oilers fan and would love for all of this to come true but go look at cap friendly for comparable contracts to Pulj and Yamo. Guy's that are in the top six around .5 points per game.

Likely 3-4 million each, very similar contract I think to Debrusk (4 million), Fabbri (4 million), Greenway (3 million), Piers Suter (3.25 million).

But i doubt the oil resign Kane so take his 4 million salary and allocate that to Yamo and Pulj increased salaries so should even out.

Plus IMO you have to give up a pick for Barrie (not because he's a bad player just because that's the cost of moving out money). Detroit's or any lower tier teams cap space is an asset, they don't really need Barrie if they aren't going to be good anyways and could sign/trade for a cheaper player. So IMO a pick is going to be required to move him out</div></div>

Yamo and Bison King get paid the year after when there is more money available. Keith and Smith likely retire, cap goes up, Lucic and Sekara dead cap done, etc. Your comparables (all 4 of them) are 2yrs older than the oilers guys so at that age they get to sign bigger contracts closer to their UFA status.

I think Kane is going to stay...he has less chance of getting into $ trouble in Canada plus he gets to play with McDavid. Maybe he just takes another 1yr and hopes for a raise the year after.

Barrie to DET was a random choice. Could be anyone...point is they need a 2nd round draft choice for him.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 juill. 2021 à 13 h 51
Sujet: Can The Oilers Compete With This Lineup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mk458</b></div><div>How on earth do we lose Bear to the expansion draft??? The only defense we have to protect in this situation is Nurse, Bear, and either Jones or Keith depending on when the trade happens. You realize that free agency is after the expansion draft right?</div></div>

I just don’t see where Bear fits. It would be a massive mistake to slot him next to Nurse at 1RD. Larsson will absolutely be resigned and Bouchard has to play this year. I think we find a way to keep Barrie at a reasonable price ($5M?). Bear at $2M just becomes unfortunately expendable…which is too bad because I do like him and think he would work at 3RD but we have to let Bouchard play this year. Bear played junior in Seattle so that’s why I think they will have interest…maybe we can get a draft pick for leaving him exposed?
Forum: Armchair-GM19 mars 2021 à 15 h 27
Sujet: Turning A Corner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>That's what makes it such a stupid move. No GM is going to re-sign all his UFA's until after the expansion draft in order to reduce the value of the player taken by Seattle. Rookie move.


He was forced into the role when Larsson got injured in game 1 last season... but Larsson wasn't able to force Bear OUT of that role when he came back either, so there's that. The only reason Bear isn't the 1st pairing guy today is because of the concussion he suffered early this year. He's their best RHD when healthy.


He isn't above Nurse in value, but he has more value than Barrie and Larsson for many reasons: age, contract and ability being the main ones. Here's a little comp of how Nurse does with Bear vs with Barrie:

http://naturalstattrick.com/pairings.php?fromseason=20202021&amp;thruseason=20202021&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;rate=y&amp;team=EDM&amp;loc=B&amp;toi=160&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410

Bear is already better than Barrie while also being younger and cheaper. He has FAR more value.</div></div>

I don't care what the analytics say (they only tell part of the story)...no GM in the league would value Bear over any one of those 3 and in fact he is probably below Klefbom (even with his injury proneness). You are absolutely kidding yourself if you can't see that. Holland will soon be in contract talks with Barrie and Larsson to get them signed before the expansion draft. You heard it hear first...Bear and Jones are exposed and one of them goes to the Kraken. The only way one of those players doesn't get picked is if they take a chance on Benson, Khaira (assuming he is resigned), Kassian or Haas (if resigned), but I'm pretty certain they are going to draft young so you can forget about Neal, Ennis, Chiasson or Nygard even being considered.

There is a reason why Bear only got $2M. If your "analytics" were telling the whole truth he would be in the $4M range...
Forum: Armchair-GM19 mars 2021 à 12 h 55
Sujet: Turning A Corner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Note the repeated use of the phrase "career-ending." When you look at the guys who CapFriendly's expansion-draft software list with the youngsters that are exempt, you can see that the type of injury involved is one that guarantees virtually a 99% or better chance that the player will never return to the ice. (Gaborik, Hossa, Kesler, etc.). If there is any doubt about Klefbom's ability to play in 2021-2022, then the League won't make him exempt from the expansion draft.

Shame on you for stiffing my fellow Badger $25,000. He's so good, he might even be a Calder Trophy contender!</div></div>

Ha ha...Yes, I'm very much looking forward to Hollaway joining the Oilers. If they get him signed, he may get a look late this season to see how he matches up in the big leagues. Thanks for the further explanation of the LTIR stuff. I still read it as a possibility for the Klefbom situation but maybe that is wishful thinking. I'm sure more info will be available on his prognosis come draft time.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 mars 2021 à 12 h 51
Sujet: Turning A Corner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You foolishly protected two UFA's and you're laughing at the guy who pointed out how stupid that is? Wow are you clueless... and Ethan Bear has played first pairing for 1.5 seasons now, you're further ridicule shows just how out of touch you are with reality.</div></div>

Wow buddy...chill. If you actually understood my notes above the UFA's that I protected (Barrie and Larsson) would have been resigned before the expansion draft. As for Bear...HA...first pairing...only because of injuries to others and he was forced into that role. I'm not saying he isn't valuable but there is no way he slots above Nurse, Barrie or Larsson in terms of value. You obviously don't watch Oiler games...what the real joke here is your overestimation of his value.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 mars 2021 à 1 h 35
Sujet: Turning A Corner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JmoneyTalk</b></div><div>I think even if Barrie does decide it's in his best interest to stay in EDM because of the "perfect fit" it still might cost at least 5.5 x 4. From the sounds of it I wouldn't get to excited about Nuge signing anything less then 7, there were rumbling recently about his contract talks being between 6-6.5 but that's for maybe 4 years and then sign bigger longer after when things go back to normal but that just doesn't make sense, by then he'll be 32 and most likely in the decline. It's not like he's elite elite and worth 7 x 5-6 at that age. If hes smart he holds of for as close to 7 as possible for as long possible. iF Holland decides Bear is expendable and leaves him exposed which I don't think he will have to I'm very certain he'll recoup some assets in the process or find a way to get Seattle to take more then just Neal into he expansion draft.</div></div>

I think one of Bear or Jones has a pretty high probability of going to Seattle. Especially if Barrie and Larsson keep playing like they are...if the Oilers have playoff success, they both will get resigned (9-10M between the two I would predict). We have to remember that both Bear and Jones are 5th round picks and while that is a good thing it also makes them expendable when you see that Bouchard is ready and Broberg will be close behind. I would be completely fine with losing either of them to Seattle.

Also, RNH may get 7M ...max. I bet it’s under that though. Not a chance in hell Seattle takes Neal. We don’t even have draft picks available to sweeten the deal. Seattle will take notes from Vegas and draft young...guaranteed.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 mars 2021 à 1 h 27
Sujet: Turning A Corner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Most people believe that false statements are bad. You, obviously, don't.

The OP clearly believes that Edmonton will be able to shelter 4 of its defensemen in the expansion draft. I'm correcting that mistaken belief.</div></div>

I appreciate my interpretation of the expansion draft rules may not be correct, however, here is the quote from <em>NHL.com: * Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirements unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection.</em>

What caught my eye was the 60 games played, clearly Klefbom won’t meet that...and with him having delayed surgery perhaps the Oilers can apply for exempt status given they will not know how he will recover. I may be way off but that would be a valuable angle to protect him if they could.