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Forum: Site Discussion13 déc. 2023 à 15 h 24
1. Trades are more likely to occur when there are changes that prompt them (player is due a raise, another player has supplemented them in lineup)

2. Trade comps will predict the price for most trades. Our gut won't.

3. Wingers grow on trees (there are always cheap wingers). Young centers and top-4 dmen rarely move.

4. There are differences between deadline trades (short-term focus) and off-season trades (longer-term)

5. See #2...always trust the comps over your own gut.

6. There is a risk premium on goalies...since their performance is harder to replicate (meaning the return is lower)

7. The cost for salary retention is a fairly stable market (use comps to determine cost of cap space)

8. There are some teams that *never* take salary dumps. Find out who they are.

9. There is a developmental super-cycle that every team goes through (Competing->Aging->Deconstructing->Rebuilding->Competing). Items like cap space and draft have different value at different stages.

10. Read #2 again on comps.

11. Sign-and-trades are rare (but could become more common). Setoguchi was first as RFA in 2011. Severson was first as UFA in 2023.

12. There valued added by intangibles is de minimis. For instance, he is 'good for your teams kids' or 'good locker room guy' don't change trade prices.

13. Trades do get rejected by league. We don't hear about them.

14. Top-25 prospects rarely get moved. Maybe once every couple of years. Top-50 prospects maybe once a year. Prospects in 51-100 range move frequently. Ask accordingly.

15. See #2 on comps.

16. There are contract limits. Teams usually want to be under those limits. Trading 5 guys for 1 doesn't help them.

17. Trading after the deadline is allowed. The limitations are for roster eligibility for post-season.

18. The value of a draft pick traded at the draft is largely known. Valuing a pick months away from draft is much more complicated.

19. Unsigned prospects are worth less than signed versions.

20. Trust the comps.
Forum: NHL11 févr. à 0 h 26
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stones6160</b></div><div>I guess I’ll toss my two cents into this

What Grieg did was objectively not the classiest move and well that’s a lesson learned looking at it for him now

However. Reilly 100% intentionally crossed checked him in the face. Can’t even say his stick went up his shoulders. He didn’t touch them at all. That’s a chicken move and does not have a place in hockey, if you’re actively defending Reilly here, idk man, the excuse of “oh look at back then” is over. It’s a newer, safer era of hockey. Accept it. Saying that’s embellishing is craaaazy
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I remember a more violent game. I would be 100% okay if someone took a run at Grieg during play. Or if a player dropped the gloves and pummeled him, even if he wasn't a willing participant. You send your message and take your penalty for charging or instigating if the refs see fit as the price to send the message if necessary. I'd be fine with that. If you can't do it tonight, you bank it for next time.

What you simply cannot do is just hit people in the face with a stick while the puck isn't even in play. Especially after a slap to an empty net. Grieg's wasn't even a violent play begging for some score settling. Just salt in your Leafy wounds. World class stupid, crosscheck and indefensible. You couldn't do it even when the game wasn't obsessed with player safety. Certainly can't do it now. Just tune him up next game.

Whatever the sentence ends up being (and let's face it, who the heck knows with DOPS), he earned it. The FAFO people cheering on Reilly might find that FAFO sword cuts both directions.
Forum: NHL Trades16 juill. 2022 à 15 h 54
Forum: NHL Trades16 juill. 2022 à 15 h 48
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Matheson was terrible in Florida but was really turning it around in Pittsburgh. I am really interested to see how he works out in Montreal now because it will show whether or not it was him figuring it out or something systemically that the Pens were doing to help him exploit his value. Lot of term at a big aav though to take that risk.

Petry has been good in the past but is old and in decline, but if last year was an abhoration then who knows this could be great for PGH but again a mid term at a very high aav carries a lot of risk.


Just an interesting trade all around with a lot of potential downside for all inolved.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>biased_leafs_fan</b></div><div>AND HABS FANS WANTED BOURQUE + A 1ST 😂😂😂😂</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SevenLeg</b></div><div>Can't say I'm super satisfied with the return, but we're far from the days people were saying it'd take a 1st to offload Petry.

The market was set by McDonagh &amp; Petry - teams are too tight to the cap and MTL didn't want to retain. Poehling was going to be lost on waivers as well.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>While im happy Matheson is gone im not happy we in a sense replaced Marino with Petry.

Would have preferred it if we never signed Rutta and went with

Dumo-Letang
Petey-Petry
POJ-Marino</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>The winner of this trade depends on what version of Matheson MTL gets.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I find Pittsburgh's system often brings out the best in players. Remember how good Ceci was for them. Now often these guys once they leave see a regression. Now for Matheson I dont think its gonna be a big one but I feel hes gonna be between what he was in Florida and Pittsburgh</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/1xIuWpvZqg" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/1xIuWpvZqg</a></p>— CanadiensFan (@GuhleSzn) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuhleSzn/status/1548390772113694720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">July 16, 2022</a></blockquote>



Poehling is a throwaway player.

So it becomes Matheson + 4th for Petry.

Matheson is 6 years younger and signed for 1 more year than Petry, costs $1.4 Million Less and will likely remain as a top 4 defensemen throughout his entire contract wheras Petry will likely start regressing in the next 2 or 3 years. I do like this trade for Montreal, but I voted fair trade because I think both teams do well here.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>Penguins GM should have just called off today....</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>Steal for Pittsburgh, id much rather have Petry than Matheson, Petry may be more expensive but he’s better than Matheson and I don’t like the term on Matheson</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vmark</b></div><div>Well there you have it. Now our D is stacked. This isn't the last move. But I'll take Petry and Smith over Matheson and Marino every day of the week and twice on game night. Matheson's defensive positioning was atrocious. Marino was overrated as ****. Now we have a guy who is a legit top pair player and a high upside offensive guy who can certainly at the very least pull off a good Matheson impression.

Hexy is on one boys</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>majormoose007</b></div><div>I would've kept Marino and Matheson over Smith and Petry</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>don't understand this trade for pittsburgh. first they traded their young, defensive rhd for a younger, offensive lhd. then they trade a two-way lhd in his prime for a more expensive, over the hill offensive rhd.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stones6160</b></div><div>I’ll be honest, I don’t get this trade for either side

Petry is the older Dman, had a okay but not a good season, makes more money
Poehling is screwed, Pittsburgh is not the right place to go if he wants any chance at a thorough career

Matheson is very hit or miss, had a better year than Petry yes, but is still shaky, 4 years left could cause trouble for younger Dman to get into the roster, if he falls back to Florida Matheson, good luck Habs</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>Petry is also 34 and is signed longer term which is sketchy. Obviously Petry is the better player, but we get younger and more cap space. Poehling was terrible last year and would've gotten claimed on waivers this season. It's a good deal.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sidney_crosgoat</b></div><div>I really don't know what to say about this</div></div>

I have no words. Hextall has single-handedly reconstructed the penguins defense core with a couple old guys in letang, petry, and ruuta and one struggling young guy in smith… once again we have no cap space
And <strong>WE STILL HAVE 9 DEFENSEMEN!!!</strong>