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Forum: Armchair-GM1 janv. 2021 à 15 h 0
Sujet: Pens get Staal back at 3C
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>I really like this AGM conceptually but would suggest Zucker at 2LW and [notices ZAR LTIR] well I guess just Lucic at 3RW but maybe burying him would be ideal?</div></div>

IMO Lucic would play well on Geno’s line. He’s that type of player. Fast players usually don’t play well on Geno’s line. See Kessell and Zucker last year. Zucker had 12 points in 15 games with the Pens last year. All 12 came when he was on Sid’s line cause Gentzel was injured. He struggled on Geno’s line.

I would love to see Lucic/Malkin/Rust line. And Zucker has played RW. He is comfortable playing his offside/ weak side(as a left-handed shot).

After Zucker can be “plan B” if Kappy doesn’t work out on Sid/Guentzel line.

ZAR had off season shoulder surgery and out till mid February. Yes, he’s starting the season on LTIR.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 janv. 2021 à 12 h 24
Sujet: Pens trade Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>You are just dumping him though. I didn't say hold onto Joseph no matter the return, I said that there is zero reason to include him in this trade.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Bennett is just a former 4th overall pick with potential still. I think Calgary miss uses him just like they did with Janko. </div>
Where he was picked is not relevant as that was in 2014 and there are things called "busts" ever year. Bennett is an NHL caliber player, but he is nothing more than a 4th line banger, but more than a step below Tanev, as Tanev is better defensively and a better skater. He is not misused, he is just not what he was projected to be.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div> You have to give something up to get something. Like Kappy. A 1st round pick and a “C+”, “B-“ prospect, our 4th-5th best prospect in our system. Like Sprong for Pettersson. Everyone thought that was an overpay at the time too. Sprong was the prospect with all the potential. </div>
Granted, but you are giving up something for nothing. Nothing coming from Calgary in this trade compares to Kapanen. Sprong was a bust when he was traded to Anaheim and anyone that did mot than regurgitate bloggers knew that. Sprong for a 5th would have been good value for the Penguins.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div> I think Lucic is a good fit on Geno’s line. And fits the timeline of the Pens and Sid, Geno and Letang chasing another cup. I could see the Flames retaining 1M-1.25M for the 3 years left on his contract in this deal though. You are probably right. And Lucic looks a lot better at 4.25M per or 4M per. </div>
You commented on Tanev's term being a negative, but Lucic still has 3 years left and will be older when it ends than Tanev will be when his ends. And again, Tanev's caontract ($ and term) are becasue other teams wanted him too. No one wants Lucic at $5.25M, not even at $4M. The debate about Lucic being good with Malkin is a subject of it's own, but Lucic is slow as mud, and his hands vanished in 2016. I do not know why you think that he would work. Also, the original AGM didn't have any retention, so adding $1.25M retention isn't the same thing. Not enough at all, but not the same thing.

The more that I think about it, the more I think that my two suggestions (Lucic, Bennett, 2nd for Tanev -or- Lucic ($2M ret), Bennett for Tanev) are still bad for the Pens... but Tanev, Joseph, 4th, 5th for them with no retention is simply horrible for the Penguins.</div></div>




Ok, I’m gonna keep writing the same sh*t in different ways. I disagree. Just your opinion. I don’t agree. Fine though!!

It totally matters where a player was drafted though. It’s a part of their value. Even for 4-5 years into the league, when they are still young. Tell any GM, a draft position doesn’t matter..lol. It screams potential and says 31 other GM’s and scouts also believe this guys has talent and can be a valuable player for your organization. And the team used value/resources to acquire that player. They want to get value in return. It does matter.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 déc. 2020 à 15 h 33
Sujet: Pens trade Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Lucic, Bennett for Tanev, Joseph, 4th, 5th

You've done some "oh boy" AGMs, but this one is probably the biggest. Lucic is HUGE negative value. Potentially the worst in the entire league. Top 3 for sure. Tanev is not even in the ballpark of bad contracts, IF you consider his contract bad (remember that there was a 5 team "bidding war" for Tanev which is why his contract is what it is, and he had a great season last year which would only have increased his value). Tanev, 4th, 5th is still overpay. Before the buyout, Johnson, 4th, 5th was more in line.

There is literally ZERO reason for Joseph to be in that deal.

I do not want Lucic at all, but going with your deal:
Lucic, Bennett, 2nd for Tanev
Lucic ($2M ret), Bennett for Tanev</div></div>

I’m a tanev fan!! Has had Selke votes the last two years. That proves right there he’s a great defensive forward. But his term isn’t great. Long contract. And I just don’t see where PO-Jospeh fits now with Matheson. Not saying we should just dump him. He’s a top 100 prospect, NHL ready.

Bennett is just a former 4th overall pick with potential still. I think Calgary miss uses him just like they did with Janko.

You have to give something up to get something. Like Kappy. A 1st round pick and a “C+”, “B-“ prospect, our 4th-5th best prospect in our system. Like Sprong for Pettersson. Everyone thought that was an overpay at the time too. Sprong was the prospect with all the potential.

I think Lucic is a good fit on Geno’s line. And fits the timeline of the Pens and Sid, Geno and Letang chasing another cup. I could see the Flames retaining 1M-1.25M for the 3 years left on his contract in this deal though. You are probably right. And Lucic looks a lot better at 4.25M per or 4M per.

Yes, I think he is a camp dump for them. They would have to assets if they were just trading him and not taking back any significant contracts in return.

I would love to see what this team could do for the next 2-3 years. With Poulin and O’Connor still able to step in for Lucic, McCann or Janko if they struggle.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 déc. 2020 à 15 h 4
Sujet: Laine trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yeah, you can believe it is an overpay if you want, but the fact remains it is terrible value for the Jets, files zero long term needs and only serves to make the Jets older and worse.

Rust is a good bottom 6 guy, but at 28 and with only 2 years of term would never be considered a main piece and Pettersson an okay bottom pairing defenseman, but Winnipeg isn't going to trade Laine to fill out the bottom 6 with role players. They're trading an impact player, they would want an impact player back. I understand debating with Pittsburgh homers like the guys above is pointless as they are so biased they can't think realistically.

Anyways, there just isn't the long term piece in that offer that would make Winnipeg give it a second thought.</div></div>

Ok, well that’s your opinion. Obviously u never watched them play. Whether u believe it or not. It’s a fact. Rust is a PPG player and a top 6 on a play-off team. He has done it and proved it. He can do it again. It’s not just potential. He’s not a potential PPG player. Or potential 20 goal scorer. It’s a fact. He’s done it. What you’re saying is opinion. I’m using facts.

Pettersson is a top 4 LHD on a play-off team that can play 20 plus minutes a night. He has done it and proved it. And only 24 years old with more potential. Pettersson/Marino are the Pens future 1st line pairing if they both continue as is or improve.

Say what ever u think, but those are both facts. It’s not potential anymore. They both have done it in the NHL and proved it.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 déc. 2020 à 4 h 19
Sujet: Pens trade Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>1- No, not among people with a clue it isn't.

2- Barby and Sunny typically switch off C duties on the 4th line. But again, the Blues did win a Cup with Barby centering the 4th line, so I'm not sure why such a thing dooms them.

3- I'm 51, dude. And I actually skated before I walked. You can't just invent things and pretend it's real.</div></div>

Lol. Yep, good luck man. I’m sure you’ve seen him play a lot more and know more about him.

Not an “inventor” or lier. I could really care less. And I can prove anything I say. And back-up any point I make. And like I said, I’m wrong often!! Ask my wife. Ya, 51 would be older than me..lol. Skating b4 walking is crazy!! What did u do when u had to walk on the ice? I guess crawl. Lol.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 déc. 2020 à 3 h 40
Sujet: Pens trade Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>1- You have read no such thing from the beat writers/Post Dispatch. Period. And the guy over at Bleedin' Blue is an idiot.

2- You've completely missed the point, which was that the Blues won the Cup in 2019 with Barbashev on the 4th line. So I think they're not quite as worried about him as you are.

And by the way... how exactly can you guarantee you're older or player more hockey than someone you know nothing about? Are you 1000 years old or something?</div></div>

Ok, I don’t feel like googling it and finding the articles. But ya, that narrative isn’t out there about Kyrou??

You don’t think Sundqvist would play a better 4C.??

I can just tell you are young. And I know what I’ve done in hockey and I just highly doubt you’ve played longer than I have, or gone farther. Have u seen a 1,000 year old b4..?? No worries though man!! I’m also wrong often!! Lol.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 déc. 2020 à 2 h 30
Sujet: Laine trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div>Yea I’ve just come to a point where I don’t even bother arguing with morons anymore lol. Too many egotistical and bullheaded people that don’t want to admit when they are wrong. I just let them think they are right. It’s too tiring listening to them spat their stupidity and uneducated nonsense. Laine would be a great add, but I just don’t see the pens giving up the pieces to acquire him. With the little leverage that WPG has though, they probably don’t get what they really want for him and get forced to settle for less.</div></div>

Lol. Yep, and I love all the “Jets decline” or “Jets laugh and hang up the phone” or no way they do that deal!! Lol. Says who?? You?? Lol.

How about IMO, Jets would decline, or laugh and hang up the phone. Or IMO it would take something like this. Or Jets fans would be pissed if they made that deal!! I love just the “Jets decline” comments like it’s their decision and they are the GM. Well, how about no, how about Jets accept then!! Lol. We can both play fantasy.

And people get so butt-hurt cause u don’t like their idea. It’s crazy!!
Forum: Armchair-GM31 déc. 2020 à 2 h 11
Sujet: Laine trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div>Gotta love when clueless idiots talk out of their ass in the comments section. Pens pass btw.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Lol. No wonder you think this makes sense you don't understand contracts or player skills. Rust ,with the exception of one fluke year as I said, is a bottom 6 player. At 28 he is what he is.

Pettersson would be behind Morrissey, Heinola and Samberg and was only in Pittsburgh's top 4 because Pittsburgh has bad defense. Poulin is okay, but as a winger isn't needed by Winnipeg.

Now for the funniest thing in your post. Rust is two years from being a UFA while Laine is an RFA for 3 more years. As an RFA, Laine can't "just walk". He can sit, but it does nothing for him, as he still owes 3 years. Read up a little bit on contracts to get a better understanding.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, it's just a bad proposal.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div>Gotta love when clueless idiots talk out of their ass in the comments section. Pens pass btw.</div></div>

Lol. Right. I don’t expect west coast teams and Canadian teams fans to know east coast teams players well though.

He’s So far off on Rust, Pettersson and Poulin. Lol. Laine is a great goal scorer though. Would love to have him.

I know it’s a high price. And I can guarantee he’s under 25..I can tell!! And I know For a fact I played hockey longer and at higher levels than he will ever dream of..lol.

I don’t understand hockey contracts or player skills though..lol. I guess he’s talking about a RFA and a UFA.?? Like that’s hard to understand?? Lol. He must be a genius too!!