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Forum: Armchair-GM6 juin 2018 à 17 h 44
Sujet: Trade value and potential trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>I don't disagree that Tanev costs a first if he goes to TO, but it won't be much beyond that. TO just won't do it. You just don't give up a top prospect unless you either have a legit chance to win the cup or if you are getting a top prospect in return. This trade offers none of that, TO gives up the future for 2 older shittier players. A 1st for a 28 year old injury prone defenceman is a great return, especially when you consider that there are 4 other RD's available that are better and I'm not even considering Doughty or Karlsson as options.

As for Gardiner, he would immediately be the best offensive defenseman on the Canucks, he'd lead them in points and increase their offence and transition game in a big way. Yes he is as soft as they come along the boards and makes some really stupid plays but you don't score 50 points from the Blue Line if you are complete garbage. If anything Canucks fans should want him and all his warts. The Leafs don't need his offence anymore cause Dermott will be as good if not better within a year or two and Liljigren could be better than Dermott in the near future. So they can sacrifice the offence. Liljigren, if he were to be traded, would be part of a deal for Trouba who is lightyears ahead of Tanev as far as value is concerned. (Also don't get me wrong about my admiration of Tanev, I really like him and would pay a tad over market value for him, I just see market value in a reasonable sense. He isn't an elite defencemen and a non elite player is not worth an elite prospect which Liljigren is.)

In closing, while you make some good points about certain players, your trade is a joke .</div></div>

And there is the difference, a late 1st rounder and a good prospect is easily market value for a D of Tanev's stature. I don't see Liljegren as elite, good but not elite. Gardner is a one dimensional piece. On a rebuilding Canucks team he is of less than no use at all. To get Trouba, you are talking Nylander to start, but that's just my opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GM6 juin 2018 à 15 h 40
Sujet: Trade value and potential trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Utterly exposed in the playoffs? Well as noted earlier, the Leafs defence was good enough to make the playoffs. Well Gardiner certainly was in game 7 but he isn't going be a Leaf in 2019/20, maybe even sooner. To think Elder and Gudbranson are the panacea to solving the Leafs problems, well that ain't true. I would expect Dermot to be better than Liljegren wouldn't you, Dermot is 28 months older and has played in both the AHL and NHL. Liljegren is playing in his first year in North America as a junior aged player which I believe there are three in the AHL. By your comments, Liljegren isn't worth trading for, so maybe another NHL team might be necessary to acquire those two stalwarts of the Canucks defence Elder and Gudbranson.</div></div>

All I said was the Liljegren was NOT a blue chip prospect, but was a good prospect. No need to get your panties in a knot.
Forum: Armchair-GM6 juin 2018 à 15 h 37
Sujet: Trade value and potential trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>You are a typical Canucks homer, Guddy is the worst defenceman on a terrible team. He isn't worth the league minimum, neither is Polak. Zeitsev is Right Handed, younger and when healthy, better than Edler. Edler is older and declining and Rielly, Gardiner and Dermott are better than Edler, better skaters, better offensively and in the case of Rielly better defensively and better physically as well. Also I'd like to stress, Edler is declining, rather rapidly at that.

Liljigren, until he got Mono in his draft year, he was considered as the potential 2nd overall pick last year. He was an absolute steal, and yes he is a year or two away but still would instantly become the Canucks best defensive prospect. To give a team a top level prospect and a 1st round pick, you better be giving extreme value the other way. Your trade idea is basically the Canucks give up a tractor (Guddy) and an old beat up Toyota Corrola (Edler) for a Tesla (Unproven but high potential prospect) and a Concept Car (1st round pick that could become a huge winner). Tell me, in what universe does anyone ever do that?

The only trade TO makes with Vancouver is for Tanev.

And before you say Toronto offers up Marner, Matthews and 18 first round pics, the trade would be something like Tanev to TO for this years 25th pick or Tanev to TO for a 2nd and a prospect like Rosen or Borgman or something like that. Maybe two B level prospects and a 2nd. The Canucks just don't have much to offer and what they do have isn't as good as other options. (There are safer, better or less expensive options available for right handed defencemen.)</div></div>

Typical Leaf homer LOL!! Every Leaf prospect is the next coming of Gretzky or Bobby Orr. Comparing Gardner to Edler is ridiculous, completely different players. Dermot probably will be better than Edler, but he isn't yet.
Gardner is nightmare on the blueline and thats just reality. The fact is D men are expensive to acquire in todays NHL. Hamonic cost Calgary a 1st and 2 2nds, what makes you think Tanev ( a much better d man IMO) goes for the cheap shiny baubles you offer up?? Dream on sunshine!! IF Tanev goes to the Leafs its for a 1st and a GOOD prospect (Grundstrom, Liljegren) at least.
Forum: Armchair-GM6 juin 2018 à 15 h 17
Sujet: Trade value and potential trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Leafs would have no interest in extending Edler as the Leafs are good at LHD. And Gudbranson is nothing special especially at price of the Leafs top prospect Liljegren. Gee, OldRedFox doesn't seem to know that much about the Leaf players. Liljegren is a teenager playing well in the AHL. Borgman, Dermot and Reilly. seem to good at LHD. And what is this about the Leafs defence can't play defence. 12th overall in GAA. 5th in Goals For, To add 9m for the out of place playoff Vancouver Dmen is easily a losing proposition for the Leafs. 9m can be spend a lot better without giving anything up in a trade.</div></div>

The Leafs D was utterly exposed in the playoffs, or did you miss that? I have watched Liljegren play in the A and he has certainly been OK, but Dermot is much much better to this point.
Forum: Armchair-GM6 juin 2018 à 15 h 1
Sujet: Trade value and potential trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Why would Edmonton do this?

Tanev: 2 more injury-riddled years then UFA
Sutter: older, more expensive and not as good as Ryan Strome
Goldobin: 23-year-old winger with a glimmer of hope
7th round pick: no hope at all!

- for -

Klefbom: young top-4 d-man
Puljujarvi: 20-year-old winger with good upside
1st round pick: top-drawer prospect</div></div>

Chiarelli.......Tanev becomes their best D man hands down. Klefbom may be a reach, but Edmonton was reportedly trying to trade him last year and appear to be unhappy with him. That being said one of the other over paid under performing D would suffice. Sutter is better overall than Strome, plays center, wins face offs, kills penalties not a comparison.
Forum: Armchair-GM6 juin 2018 à 14 h 51
Sujet: Trade value and potential trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>In what world would the Leafs make this trade

Liljegren will be as good or better then Edler ever was, in fact, I'd wager he may be better than him next season. Secondly why would the Leafs give up a 1st round pick for Gudbranson who could be the most overpriced defencemen in the NHL. Put it all together and Vancouver would drop close to 10 million in salary, get a 1st round pick and Liljigren would instantly be the teams top defensive prospect. What the Leafs get? A rapidly declining Edler who wouldn't make the top 3 on the left side defence (Rielly, Gardiner and Dermott would not lose their spots to Edler) and Gudbranson who is a way more expensive but equally shitty bottom pairing right handed defenseman (Roman Polak is the same player but way cheaper).

All of your trades are completely 1 sided and ridiculous. I'm surprised you didn't also sign Tavares for a 7 year league minimum.</div></div>

Liljegren is at least two years away and has a lot to learn about playing D, the fact that he would be Vancouver's best D prospect is more an indictment on their drafting. Liljegren is a good prospect, but not a blue chipper. Edler slots in at second pairing left side easily and unlike the other Leafs D can actually play defense. Edler played very well on a very bad team last year. Gudbranson is a guy the Leafs have had a lot of interest in and beats out Zaitsev all day long. Guddy is younger and skates better than Polak (doesn't everyone).
Forum: Armchair-GM25 mai 2017 à 12 h 22
Sujet: 2018
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stormcrow666</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RobbieS</b></div><div>You don't trade a young cost controlled stud top 4 D for an unproven prospect. It would take way more than Kapanen for Montour. My guess would be Kapanen, a 1st and a B prospect. Will be a sellers market on D. Who ever gets some of these D are going to PAY top price.</div></div>

Wow, Montour is a prospect like Kapanen. He has a total of 27NHL games under his belt and isnt to be considered a stud...yet. I could see Toronto adding a 1st but Anaheim is overvaluing Montour bigtime.</div></div>

Have you watched Montour play??? He is way ahead of Kapanen. Defenders are much more valuable to teams than forwards, especially young cost controlled players. If the Leafs trade for a young D man they will have to pay a big price. Just reality.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 mai 2017 à 13 h 6
Sujet: Improving the D without Selling off to much of the future
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wulfgar85</b></div><div>Nucks and Jets are dreaming if they think they will get 1st plus a good prospect. If any team is dumb enough to trade that much for Myers or Tanev then let them have them. As for the ones who don't like Nylander at center than just cancel the Bozak trade and flip Nylander back on Matthews wing. I would still resign Boyle.</div></div>

No team is trading a top 4 defenseman for another teams disposable 2nd tier prospects. Neither Winnipeg or Vancouver is at risk to lose either player in the ED. They only make a trade if it is beneficial to their situation. I don't see how Marincin or Valiev do ANYTHING for Winnipeg. Bracco is a nice piece but Carrick is meh. Canucks can do much better.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 mai 2017 à 11 h 2
Sujet: Getting the 3rd overall pick from Dallas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Larkinisking</b></div><div>Yeah not happening you wont get both the 3rd and 5th overall pick, You've to surrender your 5th overall pick as part of the package to get the 3rd overall pick. And besides they pretty much said that it's Dallas and Detroit that's in talks for the 3rd overall pick.</div></div>

The Stars would not get a top 4 D man or top 6 forward trading their 3rd overall according to bob McKenzie. Tanev without the 2nd should get them both of Dallas 1st rounders especially if they are taking Niemi back. Considering Tanev would immediately be their top D man, you are undervaluing him immensely. The players taken with these picks are likely years away from having any impact on the Canucks.