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Forum: Armchair-GM1 avr. à 16 h 35
Sujet: Leafs get their 2C
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NucksnOilers</b></div><div>I was fully with you on this take until the last sentence. I don't think Toronto is a good fit for Drai but saying Marner is more valuable to his team??? <strong>Also the Leafs are dumping Reaves in this scenario as well (which is a worse contract than Ceci)</strong>

If the Leafs lost Marner they could somewhat replace his production by signing a guy like Marchessault to give them 30 goals + 75-80 points on Matthews wing. If Edmonton lost Drai there special teams on both ends would take an insane dip and whatever 2C they do get to fill his role would not be able to come close on either his offensive game of defensive game.</div></div>

Not gonna comment on any other part of this, cause it's such an outrageous hypothetical, but Reaves is <em>absolutely not</em> a worse contract than Cody Ceci

Just could not let that slide lol
Forum: NHL31 mars à 11 h 34
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McGruff</b></div><div>If they <strong>NEED </strong>every point - shouldn't they have preserved the '1-pt in the bank' for tie in reg time, then dice-roll for the next pt?</div></div>

You can make that argument for sure, but I'd personally say no. With the margin they have to make up and the timeframe they have to do it, taking the chance is well worth it, imo. Like even if, starting last night, Minny won all of their remaining 10 games, they'd still miss out if LA won only 6 of theirs.

Can't afford to settle for the loser point right now so might as well give yourself any advantage you can in securing the extra point in OT rather than going to a shootout where you don't have that opportunity.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 mars à 15 h 45
Sujet: Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>First of all, I think that you guys have subconsciously misconstrued what I said, which is that I believe that Gaucher is a better prospect than Minten. That term I understand to mean "is ahead of him in development and has a better chance of reaching the NHL." You guys sound to me like you have turned that around (at least mentally) to an assertion that Minten will fail. That isn't anything close to what I said, let alone believe.

My premise is a simple one; maybe simple-minded: if Prospect A is ahead of Prospect B in their development, then by definition Prospect A is the "better" prospect (i.e., more likely to reach the NHL) unless the difference between them is so obvious that no one could dispute the contrary conclusion (as, for example, the difference between Collin Graf or Cutter Gauthier vs. Nick Abruzzese). Whether that disparity in development is due to age, injury or illness is irrelevant, although to you two it seems to be definitive. To say that Prospect A is a better prospect than Prospect B right now isn't close to saying that Prospect A will ultimately be a more productive or more valuable player when they reach the same level of competition; your conflation of the two statements is reading something into my opinion that simply isn't there.

I wouldn't put too much stock in their respective junior careers or the fact that Minten has been brought up this season. Max Comtois scored a goal in the first 15 seconds that he was ever on the ice and led his entire team in scoring in the pandemic year. Nevertheless, I hope that both youngsters have great success at the next level.</div></div>

I don't think I misconstrued that at all, nor did I turn your words into an assertion that Minten will fail. You never once said that and I never indicated that you had.

I just have different views on both your definition of what makes a prospect "better" and what you consider a disparity in development.

The evaluation of a prospect by it's very nature is based on future projection, and thus, to say one is a "far better" prospect, is to say their future is clearly more promising.

<em>"To say that Prospect A is a better <strong>prospect</strong> than Prospect B right now isn't close to saying that Prospect A will ultimately be a more productive or more valuable player when they reach the same level of competition; your conflation of the two statements is reading something into my opinion that simply isn't there."</em>

This, I think, is where we differ. There is no misplaced conflation here. Those two statements are the same. Unless perhaps you're using "prospect" (bolded) where you should just be using "player" which is an important distinction. One is about NHL projection and all that which it encompasses, the other is strictly about the present.

And as far as whether Gaucher is the better player right now and this supposed disparity in development - I don't see any evidence for either. Development is not linear and every player has an individual path. Simply playing in the AHL because you're allowed to absolutely <em>does not</em> make you a better player or prospect and is essentially meaningless when it comes to who's ahead in development. Cases are completely individual. Would Minten be playing in the AHL if he were allowed? Maybe. Or maybe they Leafs development staff decides it's best for him to play more minutes and get a bigger role with more puck touches back in junior to better hone certain parts of his game. One is not better than the other.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 mars à 14 h 16
Sujet: Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>You asked for the basis for my reasoning. My reply was and is that I have no reason yet to believe that Minten can play in the AHL, let alone the NHL, whereas I have a factual basis for believing that Gaucher can do both. I'm sorry if that is insufficient for you.</div></div>

Sorry, but it kind of is. Not your reply - you did answer exactly what I asked. I just don't agree with that process of evaluation.

You have every right to your opinion of course, but the foundation of that opinion is incredibly feeble. The declaration of one prospect as "far better" based on a lack of knowledge of how the other would perform at a separate sub-NHL level due to an age discrepancy - especially when we have a direct level comparison between the two where they performed similarly (the edge even going to Minten) - is just unfounded to me.

And let's not forget Minten did, in fact, make the NHL out of camp and showed he was capable of playing at this level but was sent down for developmental reasons.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 mars à 13 h 22
Sujet: Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>No, thanks -- Cutter Gauthier is a far better prospect than Cowan and Nathan Gaucher is a far better prospect than Minten. That offer is nowhere near enough to tempt us to part with Trevor Zegras.

In his first 99 games, Zegras had 74 points. Matthew Knies won't come close to that. And if you discount his 24-game audition, in his first full season of 75 games, Zegras had 61 points. In his first 73 NHL games, Knies has 31 points. (Of course, we all accept that Knies has other talents which Zegras does not, but the primary function of playing on the first two lines is to score.)</div></div>

I'm genuinely curious here - based on what do you consider Gaucher a "far better prospect than Minten"?

Edit: And just to be clear here, I'm no huge fan of Minten. I personally think Leaf fans as a whole are way higher on him than is reasonable, but there's really nothing to suggest Gaucher outstrips him.