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Forum:
Armchair-GM
29 févr. à 12 h 47
Sujet:
Canes cash-in with Seattle
The package on offer isn't bad on first glance, but I'm not sure there's enough value there for both Borgen and Bjorkstrand unless Blake is some kind of hidden gem of a prospect.
I think the bigger issue is if Seattle trades those two guys they'll be punting on the next couple of seasons, not just this one, and I don't think they're willing to do that. If the Kraken are selling pieces this deadline it will in all likelihood be just the veteran rentals getting dealt, not key contributors with term/RFA control.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
29 févr. à 12 h 25
Sujet:
Deadline
I think the McCabe trade is a good comparable, as both McCabe and Borgen fall into a similar tier of defenseman: primarily defensive guys who can slot in on a good team's shutdown second pairing, but on a bonafide cup contender would fit better as above average third pairing guys.
The difficulty then is trying to parse out what aspects of the trade package Toronto sent to Chicago were for McCabe and what aspects were for Lafferty. I think the second rounder sufficed for Lafferty and the two fifths given the asking price for Lafferty that was floating around at the time (a second round pick). That leaves Anderson, Gogolev, and first rounder for McCabe at a cap hit a bit less than what Borgen is making right now. Considering that McCabe had three years left on his deal while Borgen has one, while Borgen is a RHD while McCabe is a LHD, I think a first round pick would be about what Borgen would garner on the hypothetical trade market.
It is important to note that compared to Chicago, Seattle is much closer to contending, so they're much less inclined to move Borgen than Chicago was to move McCabe. The Kraken also seem to value Borgen quite highly, as they were patient with him after selecting him in the expansion draft, gave him his first real crack at the NHL, and have steadily entrusted him with a larger role. Honestly, I don't see the Kraken trading Borgen anytime soon unless they get an offer too good to refuse.
Forum:
NHL Trades
28 févr. à 21 h 20
Sujet:
(CGY/DAL/NJD) - Tanev for Grushnikov, 2024 2nd (DAL), 2026 4th (DAL), 2026 3rd (DAL) for Brady
I'm impressed Dallas got Tanev at 25% of his original cap hit without having to give up a first round pick or one of their top prospects. He should fit in nicely on the right side of their defense as they gun for the cup once more.
I guess Calgary must really like Grushnikov as a prospect. I think they could have gotten a higher end asset for Tanev given the demand for defensively sound RHD around the league, but Grushnikov and a second rounder (along with maybe an additional third) is still an OK return considering Tanev was on an expiring contract.
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Armchair-GM
28 févr. à 21 h 14
Sujet:
COMPETE
Even if Seattle was considering trading Larsson (which they are not), this offer isn't close to being enticing. Trading him would signal the Kraken are punting on the season, so Brodie has zero value to them outside of being cap ballast. Beyond that, a late first round pick and an OK but not great prospect in Hirvonen doesn't move the needle nearly enough.
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NHL
28 févr. à 21 h 9
Sujet:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In the end its not bad but still funny how CGY just took market value for both their guys rather than try to swindle. I feel Lindholm was the one exception and they could have got more if they ret lul</div></div>
I'm guessing the reason there wasn't salary retention in the Lindholm trade was that Vancouver sent Kuzmenko to Calgary to make the math work on their end. The Flames must have felt that betting on Kuzmenko bouncing back with a change of scenery was worth more than whatever additional compensation they would have garnered by retaining some of Lindholm's cap hit.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
28 févr. à 17 h 27
Sujet:
Larsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>Is this enough for Larsson retained or am I way off?</div></div>
From my POV, you are way off. Hypothetically I think a competitive offer to Larsson would be comparable to the trade Toronto made for Muzzin, something like Niemelä, Robertson, and 2024 first and third round picks. It would cost more on top of that to get the Kraken to retain some of Larsson's cap hit.
Honestly though I don't see the Kraken entertaining trading away Larsson any time soon, he's a critical piece of their team and they don't have any incentive to move him. It has already been reported that Larsson is going nowhere this deadline.
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Armchair-GM
28 févr. à 16 h 26
Sujet:
Addressing the Now and the Later at the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Robertson's inclusion was to supplement the use of our first (plus the other 3rd) based solely on the reports that Treliving wants to keep our 1st. The fact the Leafs are so adamant on keeping the 1st tells me Wes Clark found someone he really likes.
Robertson is a guy I'd like to keep, but the isn't used properly here and a team like Seattle would get a lot out of him. I'd be willing to trade the 1st instead of Robertson, but it doesn't seem like that's the plan at the moment</div></div>
Robertson's a quality secondary piece, but I don't think he has the trade value to the point where him plus a third round pick in 2025/26 equals a first round pick. In my mind it would hypothetically take something like Niemelä, Robertson, and first and third round picks to get the Kraken to seriously listen.
I will say that the odds of Larsson being dealt anytime soon are basically zero, it's been reported Seattle isn't open to moving him and from my POV there are just too many reasons for them to keep him and not enough for them to trade him.
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Armchair-GM
27 févr. à 15 h 22
Sujet:
reilly needs a partner
Seattle's not going to have any interest in round two of The Martin Jones Experience. The Kraken's goaltending is actually in decent shape with the emergence of Daccord and Grubauer returning from injury to put in a couple of strong performances, so there's no need to bring Jones back.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 févr. à 12 h 2
Sujet:
Call the Kraken
As a Kraken fan, I think the price you have for Borgen is pretty decent, though Timmins and Lagesson are more fringe NHL defensemen than bonafide NHL blueliners in my estimation. However, I doubt the Kraken are going to seriously entertain trading away non-rentals this deadline and they seem to really value what Borgen brings to the team.
As for Eberle, I believe the Kraken could get more for him than what's offered here should they choose to sell him. It's also been rumored that Seattle wants to keep him around and may re-sign him instead of trading him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
22 févr. à 12 h 55
Sujet:
Triple L - Leafs land Larson
The Leafs won't be landing Larsson with that offer. Seattle isn't going to be inclined to trade such an important piece of their team, so it'll take an offer too good to refuse to get them to seriously consider pulling the trigger on a deal. A package of late first and fifth round picks doesn't qualify as that on its own, let alone with Seattle sending picks back to Toronto on top of it. The Leafs would have to offer quite a bit more to get the Kraken to actually listen.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
21 févr. à 14 h 18
Sujet:
Something a little different
Seattle would respectfully decline that. Tolvanen's a great fit for the Kraken and their roster timeline. He's more valuable to them than some futures who may or may not crack the NHL, and even if they do, won't make an impact for several years.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
20 févr. à 21 h 33
Sujet:
Hanafin stays in the Pacific
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Not for that he doesn't. Goyette is ok but nothing special and the rest is very underwhelming for a top pair defenseman. Make it this year's 1st instead of 2nd and Calgary considers it. Or make it Larsson + Shane Wright and Calgary accepts.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FlamestoWin</b></div><div>Horribly bad for Flames. Treliving isn’t in Calgary anymore.</div></div>
Given their respective contract situations and handedness, along with the fact that Hanifin is apparently destined for the open market this summer, I'd say Larsson has at least the same trade value as Hanifin at the moment. That being said, I think Calgary would want to aim younger in a Hanifin trade return.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
20 févr. à 21 h 21
Sujet:
Hanafin stays in the Pacific
A deal of that framework makes zero sense for the Kraken whatsoever. Hanifin is apparently adamant about testing free agency, so he'll be a rental to whoever acquires him. Including Larsson in this deal undermines the whole point of trading for Hanifin and would seriously hurt the Kraken over the rest of the season, which is the timespan they'd be acquiring Hanifin for in the first place. Given their current standing, Seattle has no business trading for rentals this year, let alone giving away their top pairing RHD for one.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
20 févr. à 19 h 31
Sujet:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>Larsson is a bad pickup. If Leafs get him it should be for a 2nd, nothing more.</div></div>
Seattle would never go for that in a million years. No team is going to trade a top four RHD with term for just a second round pick, especially considering the Leafs don't have one until 2027.
Honestly I doubt the trade above gets a deal done either. To me a better comparable would lie between the McCabe and Ekholm trades (skewing closer to the Ekholm deal), and that's if Seattle even entertains moving Larsson, which I don't think they ultimately will.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
20 févr. à 18 h 38
Sujet:
Next year
Honestly, I don't see how the Seattle trade makes sense for either side. Seattle's in more of a contending phase, so having Bjorkstrand, a proven top six winger, is more valuable to them than a late first and a winger prospect whose ceiling is probably what Bjorkstrand is right now. There's no guarantee Gushchin reaches that level anyway, and even if he does it won't be until years down the road. San Jose on the other hand is in a deep rebuild, so they should be hoarding prospects and draft picks, not trading them away for someone whose contract will likely expire before the Sharks are ready to return to contention at the NHL level.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
20 févr. à 13 h 38
Sujet:
Worth a shot
I mean, the Avalanche could definitely give that trade offer a shot, but the Kraken would reject it pretty quickly. Johansen and Wennberg have basically the same point production, only Johansen doesn't do any of the other things Wennberg does when it comes to playmaking and contributing defensively. There's a pretty sizable gap in value between the two. If Seattle is open to trading Wennberg, Colorado would have to give up something of real value to get the Kraken to consider a swap.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
20 févr. à 2 h 51
Sujet:
Other Fans Help Me Out
In all likelihood, Seattle will not be trading Larsson anytime soon. Even if they end up selling at the deadline this year, they will be looking to reload for a return to contention next season. Larsson plays a huge role on the Kraken currently and would continue to do so next year as well. For that reason, I believe the Kraken will be VERY reluctant to move him, and wouldn't consider doing so barring a package too good to refuse. Of the trade pieces you've listed, only Niemelä, Robertson, and the first round pick would be higher value assets in my opinion. If you packaged all three of them together with maybe a third round pick as well, that might be a fair offer for Larsson in a vacuum (depending on how the Kraken feel about Niemelä and Robertson). However, that offer may get beat by other interested teams should Larsson hypothetically end up on the trade block.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
19 févr. à 12 h 32
Sujet:
On the fly
Seattle is never going to go for that. For as good as Guentzel is, he's a rental until proven otherwise. The Kraken are in no position to be giving up that huge of a package for any rental right now.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
18 févr. à 23 h 53
Sujet:
Fgddgd
Seattle wouldn't go for that trade offer. Even if they fall out of the playoff race this year, they will be looking for a swift turnaround next season. Larsson and Daccord would be major parts of that, so they're not going anywhere barring an offer too good to refuse. This isn't that. The draft capital isn't enough for both players, and Brodie and Jones, by virtue of being expiring contracts, would have little value to the Kraken except as sallary ballast in this scenario, as trading Larsson and Daccord would signal they are punting on this year. And yes, I am aware Seattle could theoretically flip Brodie for another asset, but I'm not convinced he has much standalone trade value considering his cap hit, age, and step back in play.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
30 janv. à 13 h 2
Sujet:
TDL24
Seattle rather quickly declines that trade offer. The gap in value between Larsson and Ceci is much more than a single second round pick. Seattle isn't likely to trade Larsson at all anyway, and Larsson himself wouldn't be willing to return to Edmonton for personal reasons.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 janv. à 20 h 16
Sujet:
Seattle TD
Seattle isn't going to be giving up draft capital to dump Driedger. His contract is expiring at the end of the season and isn't hindering their current financial flexibility in any meaningful way. Worst case scenario, he'll just remain in Coachella Valley as the Kraken's third goaltender.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 janv. à 1 h 37
Sujet:
Based on The Athletic TDL team needs
Seattle wouldn't make that swap. They could use more goalscoring threats, but not at the expense of one of their better defensemen. Borgen's contributions to the Kraken right now exceeds any benefits Greenway would bring.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
23 janv. à 18 h 42
Sujet:
Vancouver Penguins
Seattle's not going to go for that. McCann is on the more valuable deal, and is much more well-rounded as a player than Kuzmenko. He also fits the Kraken roster much better than Kuzmenko, who for all his offensive talent, doesn't really fit the mold of forward the team has targeted in the past.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
22 janv. à 11 h 18
Sujet:
What do krakens fans think of this
Personally, I'm not a fan of this, and I don't think the Kraken will be either. The team appears to really value Borgen and are intent on keeping him around. Timmins doesn't really fit the roster when the Kraken already have Dunn, Evans, and Schultz around as offense-first blueliners. Seattle already has plenty of capable wingers, so another winger like Robertson isn't as much of a need as a defensive RHD like Borgen. All in all, this swap doesn't make much sense for the Kraken given their present roster construction.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
18 janv. à 19 h 6
Sujet:
whats the price
If Seattle ends up selling some veteran rentals at the deadline, Wennberg with half his cap hit retained would cost in the neighborhood of a second round pick in my opinion. However, I'm not sure Montreal would be likely destination, they probably shouldn't be trading for veteran rentals right now.
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