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Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct. 2021 à 15 h 39
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Forum: Armchair-GM27 sept. 2021 à 13 h 54
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Why were you arguing against GSAx before, and now you say all this? Do you not understand how GSAx works? It takes into account all the variables you wrote about, and many more. Here is the list from this year: <a href="https://evolving-hockey.com/stats/goalie_standard/?_inputs_&amp;std_gl_str=%22All%22&amp;std_gl_adj=%22Score%20%26%20Venue%22&amp;std_gl_fa=%22500%22&amp;std_gl_info=%22No%22&amp;std_gl_range=%22Seasons%22&amp;std_gl_table=%22On-Ice%22&amp;std_gl_span=%22Regular%22&amp;std_gl_group=%22All%22&amp;std_gl_dft_yr=%22All%22&amp;std_gl_players=null&amp;std_gl_team=%22All%22&amp;std_gl_season=%2220202021%22&amp;std_gl_age1=%2217%22&amp;std_gl_age2=%2250%22" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://evolving-hockey.com/stats/goalie_standard</a>
Good goalies who play behind below-average defense corps (Hellebuyck, Smith) do BETTER on this kind of list due to facing a higher volume of high quality shots. Even so, Vasilevskiy does is one of the top goalies here because he STILL outperforms the great team in front of him. Carey Price actually DOES play behind one of the best defense corps in the league: of teh 43 goalies to play 1000+ minutes at 5v5 last year, he faced the 2nd fewest shots, 3rd fewest xGA/60 and the fewest HDSA/60 in the entire league. <a href="https://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20202021&amp;thruseason=20202021&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=g&amp;rate=y&amp;team=ALL&amp;pos=S&amp;loc=B&amp;toi=1000&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single&amp;draftteam=ALL" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">link here</a>

So your analysis on Price and the Canadiens defense is <strong>entirely </strong>wrong.</div></div>

Like I said before Advanced stats like GSAx use probabilities and not actual data to form predict how a player should preform in various circumstances. It's fine to use them when trying to gauge how a player will play in the next season or even beyond but to use probabilities to judge passed seasons is redundant IMO because we have measurable stats to do that. There are certain stats like WAR that are relevant though (I am not even going to pretend I know what Carey's WAR is cause I do not). I do not agree with saying that GSAx removes how the team in front of him is playing because every goal surrendered is influenced by how the team has played. Unless you only use stats based on breakaways or shootouts when it is literally 1 on 1 but that is not realistic either. I don't think there is a real measurable stat or advanced stat that can solely rely on how a goaltender preforms without taking into account the team in front of him. I have a hard time believing that <strong>NO GM</strong> in the league feels like Carey has no value outside of Montreal, especially when the majority of players around the league vote him as the best goalie in the NHL right now. All that being said we agree that Carey has not lived up to the 10.5 Mil contract but I just don't think you can look solely at his contract and injury history and say that he has no value when he literally just took a 24th or 25th ranked team in the NHL to the SCF. Rival GM's see that and say to themselves, Carey just did that with Montreal what can he do for a team like Colorado, Edmonton, Carolina, Florida or even Toronto? Teams that are true contenders but are missing a top end goalie to pull it all together. I don't think a single one of those GM's or any number of other Playoff Contending teams saying that Carey is not worth trading for strictly because of his contract or injury history. Seattle didn't take Carey because his contract was high, his injury was greatly exaggerated and most importantly they knew they were not cup contenders and were not going to be for at least the next 3 seasons so taking Carey made no sense.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 sept. 2021 à 11 h 32
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