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Forum: Armchair-GM30 janv. à 11 h 18
Sujet: Jake to Nashville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>It could mean that. Personally given the play and the standings I'd still like them to go for it this year - but again if they do blow it up, I'd at least respect it. And yeah - the chances of trading the core and NMC guys immediately is incredibly slim - but if that is the route they choose then Guentzel, Pettersson, and both goalies should be gone this season at a minimum I think.</div></div>

I see what your saying and can see why going for it is a good option. For me though I think the question is whether we will even make the playoffs and not whether we will win the cup. And when the goal becomes only playoffs and it's the second year in a row I think that's when it's time. I think if we start the rebuild right now we could potentially make it a lot quicker. If we extend Guentzel though and keep trying to contend for 2-3 years it will be a brutal rebuild. And for me it's not worth it when the chances of winning the cup are almost 0. As far as returns go I think:

Guetnzel: We should try and get two A level prospects.
Pettersson: A 1st and maybe a B prospect
Jarry: If we trade him for Campbell on the Oilers we'd probably get two 1sts back.

2-3 good prospects and three 1sts in this case would be a good start to the rebuild. Then next year we would most likely have a chance at the draft lottery. I'm a big believer in not rushing through the rebuild and really taking our time to make sure we build up a good team. Ideally we take it slow and have 4-5 years of top 3-5 picks and then can have a new era of contending.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 janv. à 10 h 57
Sujet: Jake to Nashville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>Exactly - I'm with you on that part. Aiming for the middle is the worst possible scenario imo. If they decide the Crosby eras chances are over and want to rebuild, so be it, but then they have to blow it up. Personally I don't think that'll happen - but it's at least a respectable and logical move.</div></div>

Yeah I think they should blow it up completely. I think based on Eliott Friedmans report that will probably happen. Them saying "soft rebuild" and 2-3 years of replenishing the prospect pool sounds a lot like an actual rebuild. It will take longer than 2-3 years but to me that sounds like they're easing into it. Because I think regardless of what course we take it will not be all our stars getting traded in one offseason. Jake will likely be the first domino and then we'll see what happens.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 janv. à 10 h 15
Sujet: Jake to Nashville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>If you're rebuilding and getting draft picks, you might as well just trade everyone though. No picks you acquire this season are going to be NHL ready in time to help the core make a run. If that's what you want to do, I can understand the argument - but any kind of rebuild officially closes the window of the Crosby era for good.</div></div>

That's what I think will happen. Friedman reported the Penguins are doing a "soft rebuild", but I don't really buy that. To me it sounded from what he said like they're just going for the rebuild and trying to frame it differently. I agree that you have to either go all in or rebuild, being in the middle helps no one. But at this point I think the quickest way to winning a cup again is a full rebuild.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 janv. à 15 h 59
Sujet: Not looking good for Jake
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>I 100% agree if they are positioned where they are now at the deadline, he isn't going anywhere. Nor should he imo. I just feel like the OP has been trading Guentzel in every ACGM and wanted to pick his brain on why haha.</div></div>

Here's how I see it. I think it is unlikely Guentzel re-signs this offseason. I have no clue what he's thinking or his plans are, but we are about 1-2 years away from a rebuild, which makes us not a great destination to sign a long term contract. We also will not be able to afford to pay him as much as he'd get on the market. If we did we would not have the money to make many other improvements to the team in the offseason. If Guentzel is not looking like he's going to re-sign it would be pretty bad to lose him for nothing in free agency. A long term contract I don't think would make sense for either side, but Guentzel is due for a payday and deserves more than a bridge deal imo. That makes he think he likely won't return. In that case I think we almost have to trade him. I don't think that necessarily means we'd sell. But if we are offered a 1st, an A prospect, and a decent roster player that would help us to still be competitive this year then I think we make that trade.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 janv. à 14 h 10
Sujet: next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>If you're trying to contend - why would you trade Jake?</div></div>

Apologies, meant to use the word compete, not contend. I see the penguins being 1 and done in the playoffs or missing the playoffs for the next handful of years. I think the time is over. Crosby, Malkin, and Letang aren’t going anywhere though. They will retire as Penguins. Management will want to keep a decent team on the ice until that happens. I say trade Jake because his value won’t be higher and if he’s smart he’ll walk in the summer if we don’t trade him. Picking up the draft picks and Raty is a great way to look out for the future after the big 3 era and Kuzmenko is a replacement for the time being. He’s been underperforming this year so throwing him on a line with Sid should give him a spark. All in all, I think our goal should be keeping a wildcard team on the ice until the big 3 retire while also looking out for the future. Once the big 3 retire, blow it all up and go full rebuild mode, but it’s time to start collecting assets where we can.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 janv. à 10 h 8
Sujet: If the Pens miss the playoffs or are 1 and done
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cnb17</b></div><div>For me Jarry just isn't consistent. He's either getting a shutout or letting in 3 terrible goals. Now granted the D in front of him isn't spectacular, but goalies can lose games just as much as they can win them. And Ned may not be a good starter but I didn't see any upcoming goalie UFA's that would be any better so maybe you switch him and MAF as MAF seems to do better in a starting role than a backup. But he can't play 60+ games anymore. So maybe it's 45-50 games for MAF.</div></div>

I am the first to admit I am not a Jarry fan and I wanted them to let him walk… however he has been very good so far and if we were going straight rebuild I’d look to move him to someone like Edmonton. Otherwise we honestly aren’t going to find a better goalie via UFA and a trade for a guy like Saros could look really dumb when we’re in a rebuild in a few years.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 déc. 2023 à 14 h 16
Sujet: Just an idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>He might be - I don't keep up with the baby Pens as much as I should. Smith looked good in his limited time last year as well. Honestly in the offseason I was pushing for POJ/Smith down the left side haha - so I'm definitely not opposed to him getting another shot. And agreed - the playstyles on paper could be a good match between the two. I like Ludvig and the physicality he brings - but the results and play overall have been a bit subpar imo. So it just worried me a bit. And true haha - I commented only on the small move. I'm weird. I also didn't have a good take on the TOR trade</div></div>

I could see why people are done with Smith, but if we are gonna make a trade, might as well try internally, like we did with the offense.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 déc. 2023 à 13 h 49
Sujet: Just an idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>Tough call. If Ludvig/Smith are given sufficient playing time before the deadline and they perform well - then moving POJ could be a possibility. But I wouldn't dump POJ just to try and give Smith playing time. POJ is a legitimate NHL dman - Smith and Ludvig are question marks/fringe NHLers at this point. Unfortunately Smith seems to be way down on the totem pole - so not sure if we will get that chance before the deadline to know if POJ is somewhat expendable. It could obviously work out - just not sure if I would take that risk without seeing Smith/Ludvig play together.</div></div>

That's fair. I feel like Smith has been playing well offensively in the AHL, but also putting up 3 points in his Spengler Cup game yesterday. A physical partner in Ludvig could be really nice, but I guess that partner could also be POJ. If anything, we can keep the 5-6-7 spots with Ludvig, POJ &amp; Ruhwedel, but there were reports that the Pens wanted to upgrade the bottom pair, so internally, Smith could get a chance. However, this is the smaller part of this whole armchair-GM post.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 déc. 2023 à 20 h 46
Sujet: Who should be on the 3rd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marcsnack</b></div><div>I am okay with swapping Puustinen and Rakell, maybe even putting Rust on the 3rd because I know he could carry that line. If I am being honest, I would wanna give someone else a shot over DOC. He shows glimpses, but is just inconsistent.</div></div>

He’s cheap, eager, pretty fast, and his energy and forechecking are valuable, especially to our team. The intensity that he brings is not as easy to come by as one may think, and is a role that we need on our old roster. He would be a great complimentary player to an Eller and Rakell. I’d rather just have what DOC brings for free than spend what little assets we have for a player that may be a slight upgrade in skill while lacking intensity and disruptive intangibles, especially if they’re a rental.

We’re not really in the position to do so in the first place. If we were cemented in a Metro playoff seed then maybe I could be convinced otherwise, but we need to just get healthy. Once we are, I think we will be good upfront if Puustinen continues to play well.

If come deadline time we’re in the mix and Puustinen falls off or we’re injured then, for the right price, we explore options, but I really believe that we will be fine up front as long as Puustinen continues to be impactful.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 déc. 2023 à 11 h 27
Sujet: Matrix Reloaded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>Pits need to sell. If Crosby and Malkin agree to waive. And if they decide to retain 50% on Karlsson. Pits could get ALOT and set themselves up very nicely for the future.</div></div>

<strong>Act your age, not your shoe size. </strong>
Just stop. This is insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>edeangel84</b></div><div>The core aren’t going anywhere. That’s what I can basically guarantee you. Geno had his chance to walk away but it was clear Sid wanted him and Tanger back. They’re 90% likely to all retire here. The best player for us to trade is Jake. He is in the right place in his career to be dealt and get us some futures back. I could see MP going too while his value is still good.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>Sid Geno and Tanger go no where, they want to finish their careers together. If the team really turns south they still get to play together, help build the next group. They've had more success together than 99% of NHL players ever will have. They stay.

Not to mention people who act like they'd garnish a huge return at this stage of their careers are crazy. Crosby for sure still gets a 1st in his deal, not sure about the others. Would need to be retention on part of the penguins.</div></div>

PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION LOL :tearsofjoy why do people keep saying we should trade these guys???

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>I will not tolerate Zohorna slander haha.

In all seriousness though - he's definitely NHL caliber. Even if it is 4th line. He's proven himself worthy of that at least. Especially if it's for basically league min</div></div>

100% agree, he had a nice few games but when 5'9" Puusty plays with more grit than 6'7" Zohorna......it's time to get rid of Big-Z