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Forum: Armchair-GM5 sept. 2023 à 19 h 57
Sujet: Chychrun and Tarasenko gonna have huge years
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyBoy87</b></div><div>I disagree with you on this. I think that next year Ottawa makes it. Florida and Boston are better on defense and in net. And everyone counted Boston out because of their injuries. And look what happened. They dominated anyways. Both of them also play better team defense IMO. Pus both of them have a better coach then Ottawa. So for me, Florida and Boston (as well as Buffalo and NYI) will finish ahead of the senators</div></div>

One thing Boston had was depth though, they no longer have that.

Florida also caught fire at the right time and if not for their end of season surge would not have finished above the Senators and Sabres in the division.

Not to mention that Ottawa was close to Florida with Norris, Chychrun, and other key forwards missing significant time. They also used 7 goaltenders last year and continuity in net this year will be a huge advantage.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 sept. 2023 à 16 h 0
Sujet: Chychrun and Tarasenko gonna have huge years
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyBoy87</b></div><div>I think that they are pretty skilled. I think they will make it next season but not this season. I think that one of Buffalo and Ottawa might make it. For me, the standings are

Atlantic:
Toronto
TB
BOS/Florida/BUF

Metro:
CAR
NJ
NYR

Wild Card:
PIT
BOS/Florida/BUF/OTT/NYI

I think Boston gets either 3rd or a WC spot and the final spot goes to one of Florida/BUF/OTT/NYI. IMO Florida and Buffalo are most likely to take that final spot</div></div>


You're completely discounting the fact that Ottawa has a ton more skill than either Boston or Florida.

It's also worth noting, Florida wasn't a good team last year and they got hot at the right time and Bob was on fire. If that doesn't happen this year, and with the injuries they sustained last year, they could very well be second worst in the Atlantic.

Boston lost a ton of skill and doesn't have the cap space or internal pieces to replace that.

I think that Tampa could also be an underdog candidate to fall off.

This could be the year the old guard falls off.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 sept. 2023 à 11 h 54
Sujet: Looking at them
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>How would it not be possible though? 1 year at 2.5 AAV, 20 goals 45 pts last season, scored 30 goals in the past. Some team would certainly make some place for him.</div></div>

You're underestimating the value of cap. Not to mention that Kubalik isn't a great driver of play.

If you're really thinking about it too, it someone wanted to spend 2.5m on a player. It would be Thomas Tatar who is significantly better than Kubalik who hasn't signed yet. So, maybe we see a trade when he's signed.

But your brain, my brain, and any other fan brain doesn't begin to comprehend what is going on and what the climate and the market for players is. It's entirely possible teams are asking for Kubalik with a pick because they know there in cap trouble.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 30
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyBoy87</b></div><div>Jarvis has a much higher ceiling than Pinto. Jarvis did have a sophomore slump, but in the playoffs did really well, getting 20pts in 15 gams played. I would also argue Newhook is better. You said in a different post that he was carried on a team lead by MacKinnon, but a team can't win a cup (especially against a stacked Tampa team at the time) without depth players (Newhook was on of these at the time of the cup win) performing well at both ends of the ice. IMO, Newhook had the higher ceiling and I think he could be a solid second line player or a good complementary piece on a top line</div></div>

Which is probably Pinto's celling as well. Covering for the mistakes of his offensively inclined wingers. I also wonder at Newhook's future at center.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 27
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Pinto scored 35 points playing with guys like Giroux, Tkachuk, DeBrincat... Newhook did it playing with Arturri Lehkonen... and Newhook plays wing. You're arguing that Pinto could have a strong offensive and defensive impact, which is half true. He was actually a hindrance offensively. Playing with better linemates like that and still not being above average offensively should be really worrying. He's got the ability to be someone like Jordan Staal, not Patrice Bergeron.

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And to try and say Lars Eller's deadline move is even remotely relevant here is comical. Eller's a Stanley Cup champion, and he's just better than Pinto across the board. While he's also a lot older, he's the better player right now. Stop it</div></div>

Newhook was sheltered playing with an extremely good forward in Lehkonen, while Pinto was thrown to the wolves in his <strong>FIRST FULL SEASON.</strong> That's not a situation where a rookie succeeds. He was also playing on the Avalanche, you could throw anybody on the Avalanche and they'd have a pretty good season. They made Dennis Malgin look good. The real test will be to see how he plays in Montreal this year when he won't be as sheltered.

Also, look me straight in the face and say you'd rather have Lars Eller, while good is past his prime, rather than a 21 young center who could be a very good #2 in time.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 20
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Okay, did you really try to argue Pinto is better than Newhook? That's not even close to being true. They're about the same in quality right now with both having a lot of room to grow offensively. In terms of potential, Newhook blows Pinto away. You then tried to compare Newhook to Pinto which is even funnier because Jarvis' entire gimmick is that he's either going to boom and be a 100 point player or he's going to be in the KHL very quickly.

Pinto's got good 50 point upside, and he's above average defensively. Issue is, Newhook's actually better defensively. Not to mention, Newhooks ability to play wing, the fact he's already got a Stanley Cup ring so he can speak as to the difficulties of winning it, and the fact he's got a FAR higher ceiling. There's a reason Pinto wasn't a 1st rounder, let alone a projected top 10 pick before that draft like Newhook. It's obviously 4 years down the road, but both players are still young enough to say that ceiling is far higher for Newhook.

Chatfield's probably a third-pairing guy in Ottawa as a 5-6 guy, that's probably about fair. The issue with this is that he can play top four minutes, and actually did at times for Carolina. He's also on less than league minimum for the year, and that's a very valuable contract.

TL;DR Maybe it's not enough for Pinto, but you're wildly overrating him here.</div></div>

I don't know the reason that a ACGM had Chatfield going to Ottawa, but the fact that he is going to be a 5/6 here is false. They have JBD, Hamonic, Kleven, Guennette, and Thompson who could all play third pairing minutes with Brannstromm with varying degress of success.

He is worth nothing to the Ottawa Senators, because they have too many RHD waiting.

Greig is way better than Drury and they could easily call him up or have him start on a line with Pinto.

Then that third is nothing. There is literally nothing appealing to Ottawa in this trade.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 15
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Okay, did you really try to argue Pinto is better than Newhook? That's not even close to being true. They're about the same in quality right now with both having a lot of room to grow offensively. In terms of potential, Newhook blows Pinto away. You then tried to compare Newhook to Pinto which is even funnier because Jarvis' entire gimmick is that he's either going to boom and be a 100 point player or he's going to be in the KHL very quickly.

Pinto's got good 50 point upside, and he's above average defensively. Issue is, Newhook's actually better defensively. Not to mention, Newhooks ability to play wing, the fact he's already got a Stanley Cup ring so he can speak as to the difficulties of winning it, and the fact he's got a FAR higher ceiling. There's a reason Pinto wasn't a 1st rounder, let alone a projected top 10 pick before that draft like Newhook. It's obviously 4 years down the road, but both players are still young enough to say that ceiling is far higher for Newhook.

Chatfield's probably a third-pairing guy in Ottawa as a 5-6 guy, that's probably about fair. The issue with this is that he can play top four minutes, and actually did at times for Carolina. He's also on less than league minimum for the year, and that's a very valuable contract.

TL;DR Maybe it's not enough for Pinto, but you're wildly overrating him here.</div></div>

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Pinto's whole hype is that he is good defensively, something you would know if you watched him.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 11
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>The contract was given to Newhook is what I used for Pinto because otherwise Sens fans are going to complain. In reality, Pinto's trade value isn't as high. Pinto's ceiling isn't the same as Newhooks. He's good, but he's also not been in the NHL as long. Newhook's also already won the Stanley Cup, Pinto hasn't made a playoff appearance. They're from the same draft so age isn't a factor, Newhooks more versatile.... come on. You pay a contract foe what a player is, you trade for someone this young for what they will be, and Pinto won't be in the same realm as Newhook.</div></div>

This is hilariously. You're trades already been called out as being incredibly favorable for Carolina. Pinto and Newhook have similar celling's with Pinto having 20 less points in 60 less games played. Newhook was also a passenger on an team that had Nathan MacKinnon et al.

Come on this is copium and you know this.

Also "You pay a contract foe what a player is, you trade for someone this young for what they will be, and Pinto won't be in the same realm as Newhook," if you pay for what a player will be, then you are thinking that Pinto will be a 10-20 goal 3c for his career with limited impact. Not a young 2/3c with significant offensive and defensive upside who could form one of the leagues best center cores in the years to come with Norris and Stutzle.

Also Ellers got a 2nd at the TDL for being a solid 10 goal 3c. That offer is objectively better than the one that you have presented.

For a player that is better. The season that he just had is worth more than you're offer.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 4
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>No one is going to touch Joseph's contract. That leaves Kubalik and Brannstrom, but with every team knowing the cap hell the Sens are in, it leaves the organization backed into a hole. Kubalik's value isn't the greatest anyway. Brannstrom's has been falling since the second he got to Ottawa. Even if they could afford him, what are they going to do? His path into a top-six role is completely blocked.</div></div>

This is very poor reasoning for trying to take a very good young player for next to nothing.

This is a bad trade offer. As someone else already said if you're going to pay him like Newhook, pay the organization in a similar way to the Newhook trade. Not to mention that Pinto is better.

Drury and Pinto's potential aren't even in the same stratosphere, Chatfield is a 6/7 on Ottawa and a third is nothing.

How would it feel to have an organization offer a second and a bottom six prospect for Jarvis. Because it amounts to the same thing.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 août 2023 à 19 h 16
Sujet: Sens on pick lower
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Green4D4</b></div><div>It's almost as if some teams miss on their draft picks or some prospects don't pan out like they're supposed to. Like every other team... it wasn't so long ago that Ottawa drafted some pretty notable players in the later round such as Elliot, Stone, Hoffman, Pageau...

The 2021 draft will go down as one of the worst drafts in team history. Boucher has promise but can't stay healthy for the life of him. Ben Roger was a reach and I have no idea what they were thinking with that pick... (COVID related data gathering). The only ones who have a little promise are Zach Ostapchuk and Oliver Johansson... but they haven't wowed anyone yet.

The one that I'll never forgive is JJP in the 2020 draft. He was there for the taking and is Stutzle's bff and they went with Jarventie. Now, there is still hope that Jarventie will turn out to be something, but it really hurts when JJP is taking off and is already pencilled in as a top 6 player.</div></div>

Forgot to add this when I initially responded to you but:

while the 2021 draft might be one of the worst drafts in team history

it was followed by one of the best drafts in NHL history by the Sens, because in the draft they could have realistically gotten their Franchise forward, their Franchise defensemen, their Franchise Goalie (Meralainen), three quality middle six options (Grieg, Jarventie, Sokolov) a top four defensemen (Kleven), and a wildcard in Daoust who could be a middle six option in time.

That probably, along with Covid, heavily influenced their 2021 draft strategy where they reached more on tools and potential with really low floors, rather than medium potential, pretty high floor players. Granted not many teams did well in that class.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 août 2023 à 18 h 55
Sujet: Sens on pick lower
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Echlz</b></div><div>You named a bunch of nobodies, the only reason most of these guys played NHL games is because we have been a bottom 5 team for the last 7 years lol. Besides Batherson, and maybe Formenton none of them are steals or good. Sanderson was a good pick but he was Top 5, hard to miss on that and they could have had Drysdale instead who is also an elite D.</div></div>

Sanderson was never viewed as top 5, more of a rising player that a team could take a shot on. He did not start the year very highly at all. He was defenders not a lock.

Also you must not be a big Sens fan to know the others cause they’re all either top prospects or solid NHLers.

It’s also quite astounding that you called Pinto a nobody as a Sens fan. 20 goal 21 year old is a nobody now.

Kleven would also be an Ottawa defensemen if he didn’t need to not go on waivers.

Going back to your original point, Ottawas drafting has been great over the past few years. They may have had the best draft of any individual team in 2020 of all time.

Plus at the end of the day, the draft is a crapshoot. Teams like Boston and New York both have really struggled at drafting. And you could go back in history and do this for every team and say that their drafting is really bad.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 août 2023 à 18 h 50
Sujet: Sens on pick lower
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Green4D4</b></div><div>It's almost as if some teams miss on their draft picks or some prospects don't pan out like they're supposed to. Like every other team... it wasn't so long ago that Ottawa drafted some pretty notable players in the later round such as Elliot, Stone, Hoffman, Pageau...

The 2021 draft will go down as one of the worst drafts in team history. Boucher has promise but can't stay healthy for the life of him. Ben Roger was a reach and I have no idea what they were thinking with that pick... (COVID related data gathering). The only ones who have a little promise are Zach Ostapchuk and Oliver Johansson... but they haven't wowed anyone yet.

The one that I'll never forgive is JJP in the 2020 draft. He was there for the taking and is Stutzle's bff and they went with Jarventie. Now, there is still hope that Jarventie will turn out to be something, but it really hurts when JJP is taking off and is already pencilled in as a top 6 player.</div></div>

I think that Jarvetie ends up being a Burakovksy. Amazing for stretches but lacking consistency.
Forum: Armchair-GM30 août 2023 à 12 h 50
Sujet: Sens on pick lower
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Echlz</b></div><div>This really does show and prove how bad Ottawa's drafting has been... Besides Stützle falling in their lap at #3 and taking Brady at #4... pretty much everything else has been a miss.</div></div>

That's a hot take for a team that's gotten numerous NHLer's in the latter rounds and has some promising recent prospects that were drafted in the latter rounds with names such as:
Daoust (6th round),

Mandolese (6th round),

Meralainen (who was unranked but drafted in the third round)

Kleven (2nd round),

Pinto (2nd round),

Guenette (7th round),

Kastelic (5th round),

Formenton (2nd round),

Batherson (4th round),

Donovan (5th round),

plus so many more NHLer's. If you're not convinced look through their drafting history and look at all the names that you recognize. Btw, all these names were drafted after 2016. Also in the 2015 draft they got Chabot, White, Wolanin, Jaros, Chaplik, and Daccord who all played NHL games.