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Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 16 h 17
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
Needless to say that Ottawa has zero interest in this. They wouldn't trade Pinto for Chychrun and chose to give their 1st that was a non-playoffs first instead

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>No one is going to touch Joseph's contract. That leaves Kubalik and Brannstrom, but with every team knowing the cap hell the Sens are in, it leaves the organization backed into a hole. Kubalik's value isn't the greatest anyway. Brannstrom's has been falling since the second he got to Ottawa. Even if they could afford him, what are they going to do? His path into a top-six role is completely blocked.</div></div>
A lot of misinformation here

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>This is either a really bad troll job, or you're incredibly anti-Canes</div></div>
You're the one who created this ACGM and you say this?
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 35
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hii</b></div><div>Newhook was sheltered playing with an extremely good forward in Lehkonen, while Pinto was thrown to the wolves in his <strong>FIRST FULL SEASON.</strong> That's not a situation where a rookie succeeds. He was also playing on the Avalanche, you could throw anybody on the Avalanche and they'd have a pretty good season. They made Dennis Malgin look good. The real test will be to see how he plays in Montreal this year when he won't be as sheltered.

Also, look me straight in the face and say you'd rather have Lars Eller, while good is past his prime, rather than a 21 young center who could be a very good #2 in time.</div></div>

For trying to win just this season, I would take Eller. He is a beast on defense. Long term, I would probably take pinto
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 26
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>No... I said Morrow had a better statistical season at UMass than Makar ever did, which is true... Nikishin I've said would be a top 4 D man in the NHL right now and could genuinely win a Norris in his career. Both of which I said are true. The difference with Morrow and Pinto is that Morrow fell in the draft because he couldn't play in his draft year due to the pandemic. He's easily a top 10-15 pick in that draft if it was redone. Pinto did play, and that's a major indicator that he and Newhook should not be looked at the same way. Newhook's better, and has a higher ceiling, that's not something that should even be debated right now. While Newhook was a passenger on the cup team, he won it. That will make him more valuable. It's why young roster players from cup winners are probably the most valuable things in hockey.

Pinto played one season, and was mediocre across the ice, putting up 35 points while having extended top six minutes with wingers that far exceed anything he should have been playing with. This isn't a case of Kotkaniemi where he's elite defensively and he'll grow into it offensively. He was mediocre around the ice. While that's somewhat impressive on a bad Sens team, he should not be compared to Newhook, whose at least as good defensively.</div></div>

Lol. He missed a whole year, came back and was put with 2 defensively flawed wingers . Pinto will post insane analytics on both ends this year and he’s never ever being traded. Colorado traded Newhook because he sucks and they don’t think he will develop into anything . Contenders rarely ever trade young players for picks unless they think they’ve peaked
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 27
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 17
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Okay, did you really try to argue Pinto is better than Newhook? That's not even close to being true. They're about the same in quality right now with both having a lot of room to grow offensively. In terms of potential, Newhook blows Pinto away. You then tried to compare Newhook to Pinto which is even funnier because Jarvis' entire gimmick is that he's either going to boom and be a 100 point player or he's going to be in the KHL very quickly.

Pinto's got good 50 point upside, and he's above average defensively. Issue is, Newhook's actually better defensively. Not to mention, Newhooks ability to play wing, the fact he's already got a Stanley Cup ring so he can speak as to the difficulties of winning it, and the fact he's got a FAR higher ceiling. There's a reason Pinto wasn't a 1st rounder, let alone a projected top 10 pick before that draft like Newhook. It's obviously 4 years down the road, but both players are still young enough to say that ceiling is far higher for Newhook.

Chatfield's probably a third-pairing guy in Ottawa as a 5-6 guy, that's probably about fair. The issue with this is that he can play top four minutes, and actually did at times for Carolina. He's also on less than league minimum for the year, and that's a very valuable contract.

TL;DR Maybe it's not enough for Pinto, but you're wildly overrating him here.</div></div>

Newhook vs Pinto is like comparing Beauvillier and Backlund if they were the same age. Who cares about Stanley cup, he wasn’t a big reason for them winning it. Newhook will be at best a middle 6 winger, where Pinto will be a solid 2 way 2C with very good faceoffs skills and PK. He had 20 goals and 35pts as a rookie after missing a whole year and it wasn’t even his breakout season.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 août 2023 à 13 h 9
Sujet: Unique Ottawa deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>The contract was given to Newhook is what I used for Pinto because otherwise Sens fans are going to complain. In reality, Pinto's trade value isn't as high. Pinto's ceiling isn't the same as Newhooks. He's good, but he's also not been in the NHL as long. Newhook's also already won the Stanley Cup, Pinto hasn't made a playoff appearance. They're from the same draft so age isn't a factor, Newhooks more versatile.... come on. You pay a contract foe what a player is, you trade for someone this young for what they will be, and Pinto won't be in the same realm as Newhook.</div></div>

You’re the king of bad takes. He had a 20 goal season as a rookie after missing a whole season. He has very good 2 way 2C potential like Brock Nelson . He’s not getting traded unless it’s a 1 for 1 for a. Very good similar young RD
Forum: Armchair-GM29 août 2023 à 14 h 51
Sujet: Lets trade with Min again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Drafted 9OA three years ago and has a whopping 21 career nhl games played with 1 assist. Has shown nothing significant at the NHL level along with mediocre AHL stats. If any gm paid a likely top 16 pick+ for him they should be fired into the sun.</div></div>

Christ, you really are ignorant aren't you?

Again, Rossi missed an ENTIRE YEAR OF CRUCIAL DEVELOPMENT TIME, it's more correct to put his development around D+2 then D+3.

THAT MATTERS.

Furthermore, if you think being near a PPG in his first season back from that missed season, and at a PPG in his 2nd season down in the AHL is <em>mediocre</em>.... ooooh boy. I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

He was literally still just ranked as a top 30 prospect in the league by Wheeler of the Athletic and as the 62nd best player/prospect on Pronman's under 23 rankings which includes players who've already graduated to the NHL. That's in spite of the fact Pronman is a known disliker of Rossi.

Finally, no player is a bust at 21. Where they where drafted is and will always be irrelevant. It takes up to a player's age 23 season for them to typically develop and fully mature as a player if they're a forward, 25-26 for defenseman, and 26-27 for goaltending.

It's often been stated by professionals that it typically takes around 164 games in the NHL level to know what and who a player is. Rossi has played barely 20 games to date.

By your metric. Then players like Jack Hughes, Brayden Point, Joel Eriksson-Ek, and Tage Thompson are all *busts*, because they didn't produce right away. The expectation that players do so is and always be asinine. Players that produce right away are always the exception, not the rule.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2023 à 21 h 36
Sujet: Big swings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hii</b></div><div>That’s fair, however very few front office groups get to leave on their own terms. One thing that has hurt the Canucks in that regard is lack of stability from the top down. It’s incredibly hard to get a role on a team when you’ve had three staright seasons with new coaches. That doesn’t lend itself to success especially for the development of young players in the NHL. We’ll see if Tochet can change that narrative, and if he doesn’t there is something fundamentally wrong with the roster.</div></div>

The issue with the previous regime wasn't only that it was too lean with not enough cooks in the kitchen, but there was a bit of a power grab on Benning's end, whether intentionally or not, that imbalanced dynamic obviously did no favors. In regard to the coaching thing, Frank Seravalli reported that the reason Boudreau wasn't fired right after the disastrous home opener last season is because ownership wouldn't let them, they obviously weren't ready to pay three coaches simultaneously, but all that really serves to demonstrate is WHY ownership shouldn't be hiring a coach before the hockey ops staff is in place, so as far as I'm concerned, the onus there is on ownership there, not management. To play a little bit of Devil's advocate, I actually support the fact that Boudreau wasn't fired in the off-season because I think an underrated aspect of getting things turned around on the ice and in the locker room was having the players recognize that "good-vibes" hockey is not a recipe for long-term success, so if they had Tocchet come in while they were still feeling the "Bruce there it is" high, that may have actually ended up somewhat backfiring on management if they didn't start the season with Bruce behind the bench. Hey, at least ownership had the guts to acknowledge the OEL mistake and opened up their cheque book to send off what had turned into a massive liability, which also acts as a ringing endorsement of the new front office, who in turn honored that vote of confidence with a conservatively disciplined free agency to boot. To your last point, you're absolutely right in that if things go south this season, it's not going to be Tocchet's fault, it will be like you said, because there is something fundamentally, intangibly wrong with the roster. Maybe the core guys just don't have the mental fortitude to consistently play up to tougher competition the way their talent levels would suggest they are able to. Obviously, that will really suck to see, and it will show that management was wrong to bet on the current core, but I still don't think that's likely to happen. I know I'm not losing sleep over it.
Forum: Armchair-GM26 juill. 2023 à 14 h 10
Sujet: Drive the chevy to the Levi until the Levi goes dry
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hii</b></div><div>Fair enough, did not see that move. I wonder what the injury is. As with Mark Stone it was back problems which he's had throughout his career.</div></div>

Murray has had problems all throughout his career since just after his cup days and especially last season or two. Ankle and head injuries galore. Probably should not have even backed up that one game he did in the playoffs, if he was truly ready to go they're starting the 2x cup champ over the rookie with 10 NHL games and 0 postseason every single time. Maybe he's done, maybe he takes a year to really rehab properly and tries to make a comeback, but it's not totally surprising if you look at his injury history, especially recently.