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I was going through and looking at what the Caps would have had if they had never made a trade since the Ovechkin draft. I was distracted by the thought of, "Wow, that '04 draft was amazing. That '12 draft was great, too!" However, there were some years that apart from one player... those were some misses. I was curious to wonder, "Which draft do you think was the worst for each team since 2000?" I've cast my votes below. Are there any specific drafts since 2000 that really leave a sour taste in your mouth?

Ducks: 2006
Had 3 picks in top 100 and missed on all three. At #19 overall they took Mark Mitera. Matt Beleskey would be their one redeeming point in this draft. Interestingly enough, the Ducks would have the #19 pick in 2007 and also strike out. They probably thought they would get another Ryan Getzlaf like they did in 2003 with pick #19.

Coyotes: 2003
1997 and 1999 were probably worse drafts, but they don't meet the parameters of this exercise. Not a single Coyotes pick made it to the NHL from their 2003 draft. For that reason I have chosen it the worst draft since 2000. I should state that although they did have eight picks in this draft their first selection wasn't until pick #77.

Bruins: 2007
The six picks made by the Bruins in 2007 combined for 23GP in the NHL . Zach Hamill, taken 8th overall, played 20 of them. Not to mention your #8 pick in the draft only managed to play 20 games in the NHL. That's a big swing and miss.

Sabres: 2010
The Sabres didn't completely swing and miss on the 23rd overall pick in Mark Pysyk. However, they had four more picks in the top 100 that never played a game in the NHL. Of their nine picks in 2010 Pysyk was the only one to make it to the NHL.

Flames: 2006
Only 13 total NHL games played by eight draft picks in this class... all played by Leland Irving taken 26th overall. Plus, only 13GP out of your first round pick? Not good. Still on the board? Nick Foligno, Jamie McGinn, Nikolay Kulemin, and Milan Lucic.

Hurricanes: 2001
The Hurricanes got 197 games out of Mike Zigomanis taken 46th overall, but they completely missed at #15 with Igor Knyazev. They got 10 games out of the other seven players they took, all by Rob Zepp at #110. Instead of Knyazev the Canes could have had R.J. Umberger (#16), Marcel Goc (#20), or Tim Gleason (#23).

Blackhawks: 2000
There were a few drafts that stood out, but then I looked at 2000. Seven picks in top 151, 15 total picks, picks #10 and #11... not a single player over 60 NHL games played. Eight players with 0GP and three more with >10. Mikhail Yakubov and Pavel Vorobiev could have been Ron Hainsey (#13), Brooks Orpik (#18), Justin Williams (#28), or Niklas Kronwall (#29).

Avalanche: 2014
A swing and a miss. A total of 66 NHL games played so far, all by Anton Lindholm. He was pick #144 that year. Three picks in the top 100... 0GP.

Blue Jackets: 2004
The Jackets had 12 picks, and five made it to the NHL, but their most notable player from this draft was Grant Clitsome taken #271 with their final pick in the draft. The Jackets had five picks in the top 100. They combined for 74GP in the NHL. Alexandre Picard, taken #8 overall, played 67 of those games amassing the only 2pts (both assists) registered by those players.

Stars: 2002
The Stars did get Trevor Daley who had a fantastic career in this draft. However, the Stars had FIVE of the first 50 picks in this draft. Other than Daley, taken #43, only Tobias Stephan suited up for any games in the NHL... with 11GP. The Stars seven other picks outside the top 50 in this class recorded 0GP.

Red Wings: 2001
Granted the Red Wings seem to never have a first round pick, but they never seem to miss in the first round when they do. In 2001 the Red Wings had 7 total picks. They amassed 77GP total. However, Dmitry Bykov, taken #258 played 71 of those 77GP. Drew MacIntyre played the other six.

Oilers: 2012
Honestly, the Oilers have drafted pretty well all things considered. However, they had the #1 pick in 2012 and Yakupov was a miss. I think most Oiler fans wish they had a mulligan on this one. As such, 2012 is my pick here.

Panthers: 2005
With the #20 pick the Panthers would take Kenndal McArdle. Who? Exactly. The eight players picked in this draft would amass 43GP in the NHL. Mr. McArdle would have 42 of those tallying 1G 2A in his career. Still available? Tuukka Rask (#21), T.J. Oshie (#24), Andrew Cogliano (#25), Matt Niskanen (#28).

Kings: 2004
One thing I noticed is that the Kings have had some damn good drafts before and after 2004. In 2004, not so much. The Kings had nine picks in this draft, including the #11 overall. The class amassed 86GP in the NHL. Scott Parse would play 73 of those games, but he was the King's fifth pick in this draft at #174. Lauri Tukonen was taken at #11 and had 5GP.

Wild: 2012
The wild would take Matt Dumba #7 overall in this draft. Not a dumb pick. However, their six other picks in this draft have combined for 9GP in the NHL, all by Christoph Bertschy taken #158. The Wild missed in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds in this draft.

Canadiens: 2008
There were 0GP by this entire draft class. Granted the Canadiens did not have a first round pick, but this still missed in rounds 2-5 and 7. Still available to them: Michael Stone (#69), Zack Smith (#79), Adam Henrique (#82), Braden Holtby (#93).

Predators: 2006
This may have been the only standout "bad draft" the Preds have had. Blake Geoffrion was taken #56 and played 55 games. That was all but one of the total games played by this diminutive draft class.

Devils: 2001
The Devils had six picks in the top 100 in this draft. Those picks played 21 NHL games. Tuomas Pihlman (Pick #48) played 15, Brandon Nolan (Pick #72) played 6. They combined for 3pts in their careers. The Devils took Adrian Foster #28 in this draft. Still on the board? David Steckel (#30), Derek Roy (#32), Mike Cammalleri (#49).

Islanders: 2005
This one is a tossup. Although 2001 and 2007 were awful drafts for the Islanders, the Isles didn't have a pick until #62 in 2007, and pick #101 in 2001. In 2005 they had #15 and #46. They would combine for 55GP 1G 10A 11P. Their five other picks that year, 1GP. That first two rounds in the '05 draft were pretty deep. They missed in both.

Rangers: 2015
There are a lot of bad drafts to pick from. I went with this one because only Aleksi Saarela has played in the NHL from this class. He has 9GP... for the Panthers.

Senators: 2002
Jakub Klepis was the Sens pick at #16. Totaling 66GP, 4G 10A 14PTS. This class totaled 72GP in the NHL with Alexei Kaigorodov playing the other six. Still on the board for the Sens were: Alexander Steen (#24), Cam Ward (#25), Trevor Daley (#43).

Flyers: 2004
I really want to say 1999 when the Flyers took Maxime Ouellet #22 overall. However, it's outside the parameters. In 2004 the Flyers had 11 picks. David Laliberte and Triston Grant would both have 11GP by the end of their careers. They would account for 22 of the 23GP by this draft class.

Penguins: 2008
This draft class, although small and all late pick, has 1GP in the NHL. Alexander Pechurskiy would come in as the backup for a game in 2010 stopping 12 of 13 shots he faced.

Sharks: 2002
The sharks would take Kris Newbury and Tim Conboy who would both see 50+ games in the NHL. However, the Sharks wouldn't see a game played by their other six picks in the draft. That would include picks #27, #52, and #86. Those could have been Trevor Daley, Duncan Keith, and Valtteri Filppula.

Blues: 2002
The Blues would take D.J. King in this draft at #190. That was their sixth selection in this draft. Given the names that were still on the board at picks #48, #62, and #89, they missed just as badly as the Sharks.

Lightning: 2006
There were some really questionable drafts early on for the Lightning. However, in 2006 they decided to take goaltender Riku Helenius at #15. He would appear in one game in his career. Still on the board? Claude Giroux (#22), Semyon Varlamov (#23), Nick Foligno (#28).

Maple Leafs: 2011
In 2011 the Leafs had picks #22 and #25. Two first round picks they turned into Tyler Biggs (0GP) and Stuart Percy (11GP 0G 3A). Suffice it to say that if you strike out twice in the first round... you had a bad day. This is the same draft that Brandon Saad went #43 and Nikita Kucherov went #58.

Canucks: 2007
With six total picks, including picks #25 and #33, this draft class amassed 0GP in the NHL. The Canucks would take Patrick White #25 and Taylor Ellington #33. Still on the board were David Perron (#26), P.K. Subban (#43), Wayne Simmonds (#61). Even Justin Braun (GO UMass!) would have been an improvement. He went pick #201 and has 669GP at the time of writing this.

Golden Knights: 2019
Not like there is much to choose from with this team. However, Peyton Krebs at #17 seems like a mistake. Especially with Connor McMichael, John Beecher, Nolan Foote, and Ville Heinola all on the board still.

Capitals 2007
Karl Alzner had a solid NHL career, but three other picks in the top 100 totaled 0GP. In fact, the Caps missed on nine picks out of their total of ten. At pick #34 the Caps could have had any of the following: P.K. Subban, Wayne Simmonds, or Alexander Killorn. Instead? Josh Godfrey.

Jets: 2016
There's not much to pick from here, nor is there much to complain about in the Jets' draft history. The 2016 draft was the year they took Patrik Laine #2 overall. However, that pick was a given. They also had the #18 pick in this draft and so far Logan Stanley hasn't made it to the NHL yet. Nor has anyone else taken in this class.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 juin 2020 à 22 h 34
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ngikas</b></div><div>Idk how Krejci, one of Debrusk/Carlo, Vaak, stud and 2 1sts is considered an overpay. Eichel is an elite talent. Vaak and stud are likely going to be good nhl players. Don’t think either will evolve into anything above that. The 2 1sts are lotto picks with every draft being a toss up. Krejci is a great player but you’re replacing him with eichel for a fraction of the price more contract wise. Giving up Debrusk or Carlo would be a tough pill to swallow, think giving up Carlo would be more detrimental to the line up. But you have to realize it’s a trade for a top 5 center. It isn’t going to be cheap. Bruins don’t really give up anything of significant value unless you place Debrusk and Carlo there but again at best theyre 2nd line/2nd pair type players. I just don’t agree with your valuing of a blockbuster for eichel, I do agree it doesn’t really make sense to make the trade though.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bananahockey</b></div><div>That would screw the whole prospect pool of the bruins</div></div>

This trade for Eichel isn't even close. You're going to likely have to give up: Beecher, Carlo, Studnicka, Debrusk, 2 1st's. That seems like a lot, I'm sure for Bruins fans. but that's what the market would yield right now for Eichel. You're also going to have to find a trading partner for Krejci to free up cap space. Buffalo isn't looking for a B- 34-yo 2C in an Eichel deal. Honestly though, I still don't think this would get them Eichel.
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Forum: Armchair-GM17 juin 2020 à 10 h 46
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMarch</b></div><div>I can't believe people think they wouldn't trade Fox for Eichel. That may be the closest reality trade I've seen for Eichel. Value is right, And I think NYR would jump all over that deal, #1Cs are WAY more valuable than 1B defensemen (Fox isn't in the league with Giordano, Hedman, Josi, Werenski, Jones, Pietro, etc).

Fox is very good, but he's not in the Makar/Hughes league (he's probably also below Heiskanen, McAvoy as well). Both of them are doing this with below-average goaltending behind them (Hughes on ice sv % is .855, Makar is .888, Fox is .903 which is league average). Hughes and Makar are also doing this with 3:00+ more minutes a game, while Fox is averaging around 18:30. Fox is almost a year olderand too (which absolutely factors in physically and mentally). Fox would have a low-end 1B ceiling, while Hughes and Makar have 1A ceilings.

Eichel was easily a top 5 C in the league. This season, he's the #6C using Hockey Reference's Point Share system, and #12OA in OPS. And he's outscoring a bunch of top names per game (Matthews, Ovi, Crosby, Marner, Aho, Stone, etc).

I don't think the NYR make that trade because you don't trade legends, and Henrik is a legend in NY. But, a mid 1st round pick, and low 1st round pick, and a 1B dman for a #1C is peanuts.</div></div>

TMarch you had me convinced until you said you don't trade legends. Gretzky, Messier, Orr, Roy, Jagr, Esposito, Dionne, Coffey, Karlsson, Francis, Chelios... I mean I could keep the list going. Safe to say that legends get traded. It's all about the return. Lundqvist has nothing left to give you. Move on and get a return.