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Forum: Armchair-GM15 janv. à 21 h 17
Sujet: In Spite of Reality
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>I don’t wanna talk about this for long but
- yes Chychrun and Petry comes with risk, but the teams (ARI &amp; MTL) are not going to sell low because they don’t have too. Petry is our #1 dman even if he is more of a #2-3 but we don’t have anyone else. Who’s gonna play if we trade him for scrap (like a 2nd) ? Romanov-Savard 35 minutes a night ? Why ARI are welling to shop Chychrun ? Because when they will be competitive, Chychrun will just walk out. But like THEY said, they are only trading him for a Jack Eichel package, because THEY DONT HAVE TOO.

I’m not Petry agent, but the media do some interaction with the players (ex Halloween, Christmas, etc) and after the 2017-2018 season (MTL finished at the bottom), they ask Petry’s wife (Julie) how bad was it during the season. She says almost equal to their time in EDM. So with this comment, I’m pretty sure they don’t wanna go there anymore</div></div>

Petry’s situation in Edmonton, for the record:

https://oilersnation.com/2015/10/29/jeff-petry-explains-why-he-doesn-t-play-for-the-edmonton-oilers-anymore/
Forum: Armchair-GM15 janv. à 20 h 17
Sujet: In Spite of Reality
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>So many things wrong here. You try to lower Chychrun value in the description, you try to say it’s hard to move on from Broberg because he might be the next Chychrun when he won’t. Chychrun is better than Nurse btw. You are adding cap dumps without saying THEY ARE CAP DUMPS. You need to pay to get rid of these players.

BOS are going Rask-Ullmark, if Rask retired this summer they keep Ullmark, if Rask stays, they might move Ullmark. But hey, you give them a tough, experienced dman lmao that made me laugh, Koekkoek !

Petry had a poor beginning of the year, but is style didn’t change at all. He is the same player, just on a very bad team. Not saying Petry have played great, he created more turnover than usual, but the facts he didn’t put points doesn’t mean he lost all is value because of a bad stretch ON A BAD TEAM. You are trying to sell high on Barrie when he is THE WORSE dman defensively in the ENTIRE league. He is so bad that you want to trade him (not only you more than half of the Oilers fan base). Lehkonen &gt; Lavoie so just there you need to add. We could take Barrie vs Hoffman but that’s it. Finally, Petry hated EDM, so he wouldn’t want to go there anyway.</div></div>

1. Read the team name

2. Chychrun is injury prone, FULL STOP.

He had an absolutely excellent year last year and has 3+ yrs left on a value contract. He is having a bad year statistically speaking, is it because of his team only, or does he have any part in that? Will he be the player he was (during a shortened season) last year and stay healthy for 80, 70, 50% of the remaining contract term left? I would not want him as my #1 D, but this is where Nurse takes that burden and wear &amp; tear off of him. How many teams offer that situation for Chychrun who have interest?

Yes, Chychrun is good, but he clearly comes with a lot of risk. We don’t know what Broberg is yet, he is on a potentially extreme value contract for the next 3 years, so this is very good from a Cap standpoint. I expect him to challenge for the 3LD slot next season and the 2LD spot the following season. These are reasonable expectations given his potential and based on historical Dman development (see Oscar Klefbom).

Simply put Chychrun is a risk to trade for, otherwise why is his team considering trading their very young, cost-controlled #1 Defenseman?

3. Petry’s is old, he is not what he was and he is not going to improve at anytime during the remainder of his contract. He is younger, bigger and a better skater than Duncan Keith, so in theory he should be a better player right now. Regardless he comes with a boatload of risk.

Chara (44) - score well to 37, Andy Greene (39)-defensive Dman, Duncan Keith (38) - score well to 35, Giordano (38) scored well to 37, Suter (37) scored well to 35, but still putting up decent numbers , Burns (36) not the goal-scorer he was but still very good, and 10 others are older than Petry, but are generally 3rd pair or 7th D.

Petry’s has 3 points, so calling him a number 1 deman is indefensible. He is still a serviceable top 4 option, but on a bad team he is not part of the solution and is currently not worth more than a 2nd Round pick and that is a stretch. 3 more years of that, well you’re gonna have to do something to sweeten the deal, like retain some salary.

Lavoie is not nothing, he is a 6’4” 21 year old goal scorer with 1 yr left on his entry deal, still finding his way as a Pro. After a very slow start he is starting to heat up, he had a 5 point game recently and has 5 goals in his last 6 games. I am sure the Canadiens wouldn’t mind him in their organization. He would be the equivalent of a 2nd rounder and will be in the NHL as soon as next year.

C’est cool, I did not know you were Petry’s agent.

4. Ullmark is one of 3 excellent goaltending options, but is the most expensive option. Like I said earlier, Swayman it is (but I bet Ullmark gets moved to bring in another forward and maybe it gets them a 1st rounder, but I really doubt it, see Robin Lehner).

5. Camp dumps, as you call them are a fact of life, 90% of deals are money in = money out. The Ullmark trade gives Boston $3,000,000 in cap space + a 3rd + plus Koekkoek, who has a 2yr contract; none of these are nothing.

Anyway, keep on kicking…
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. à 21 h 8
Sujet: Kane to oilers pretty much confirmed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rpain</b></div><div>You think that far? He was practicing with the team prior to going on covid protocol the other day. Most definitely he gets a run in Bakersfield first, especially if Kane is in the picture.</div></div>

I predicted he would be a very good player 3 months prior to his draft. Lots of studious draft followers disagreed. The kid is a stud, but he hasn’t played a game at any level in 8 months and he has never played pro hockey. He needs to practice his stick skills and once he knocks the rust off, he needs to adjust to the speed of the AHL.

Give him time, he needs it, perhaps less than I think, but Just keep your expectations low for this year. If he reaches the show, I’ll be cheering like hell for him.