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Forum: Armchair-GM10 août 2017 à 12 h 12
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Ess. Vegas will still have to put a NHL team on the ice this year. They have ton of picks so adding 3rd rounder or so is almost meaningless to them. I'll stick my opinion that Hagelin and his six goals is no way worth his 4m salary. If he is of such value, why do Pens fans keep on trading him?
Pouilet is working himself to a suspect not prospect. Lot of teams of AHL prospects too, I just don't think there is value in trading for one.
Yes, I saw Kessel in Toronto. Don't be fooled by his goal production. For long stretches especially late in his Leaf career his was a poor NHL player. No effect in defensive zone (when he was there). Just pass the puck to me.
I'm saying Phil is in the ideal spot for in Pittsburg. He'll never be better. Trading him to a non contender and without winners prodding him, his production and overall play will decline drasticallyIMO
Trochek was just signed to nice deal with Florida and you want an NHL Dman a better prospect in McCann than Pouilet. I just don't think teams, I wouldn't would trade for Phil. He played at his level with the Pens and he when his production declines he might turn to his sulking , disinterested ways as he did with the Leafs.</div></div>

Vegas is getting 2 NHL forwards to put a team on the ice. They've been saying they need to build through the draft. A 26y old 4th line player from another team isn't going to make or break them. If they're looking at their team this year when trading then they have no future. A 3rd round pick has the potential to be anything from a bust to a super star player. It's an asset. They traded Methot for 3rd and prospect that's projected not to make the NHL. That 3rd meant something.

Hagelin is being shopped because he has value but is expendable when we have 12 forwards who have won Stanley Cups. You do realize CHI traded Panarin, Hjalmarsson, Shaw, Ladd, Versteeg, Saad, Leddy, Byfuglien ... Were all those players bad? No. but when you look at the rooster he's the obvious man to trade because of his age, salary, and the fact that PIT is very deep at that position. Do you trade Rust, who's on a entry level deal or Hagelin who's older and making more? His injuries this past year showed us that he is expendable on this roster and other players could fill his role. His value at the deadline is probably two 2nd rd picks, or a 2nd and a 3rd ... at least in most years. This draft is supposed to be pretty deep, but Vegas has the Cap space to retain salary, asking for more in picks and potential for cap hits, and not hurt the fact that they will not make the playoffs for 3-5 yrs minimum. They have a bunch of quality forwards (many UFAs they might not be able to move), and a ton of defense man. How many Stanely Cup champions do they have? You might not see the value in that, but many teams do. Especially at the deadline.

"...especially late in his Leaf career ..." Toronto had who playing with him? That teams was crap from the net out. FLA is better than TOR was for all those years. Huberdeau, Barkov, and Ekblad would have been considered SUPERstars in TOR 3 years ago. He was their only hope of offense on that team, and even with taking games off he was more offense for his teams than any other player in the league. I'd be disinterested in playing with the Leafs during his time ... look at your tag. "longtimeLeafsufferer" ... you just watched the team. He was on the team, listening to fans ***** about his play (putting up 60-85pt a season) when the entire team sucked. He could give 120% every single night and those teams would still lose because they stunk. Some marriages end in divorce ... especially when there is no support. The city and the Leafs organization deserves at least half the blame for Kessel's short comings.

You're complaining about the performance of a guy who was playing for nothing. In the regular season many stars don't give it their all, because the games really don't matter. Crosby and Malkin used to score 120 pts, have 4 pt nights every other game, and now they save it for the playoffs ... and win cups. They take time off during the regular season because they just need to make the playoffs.

FLA is on the verge of the playoffs. Adding Kessel and signing a guy like Iginla might be all they need. TOR needed to bomb year after year to build through the draft ... which takes me back to the my point about Haula/Hagelin and Vegas and building through the draft ...

What would the counteroffers be?
Forum: Armchair-GM9 août 2017 à 14 h 27
Sujet: 15236
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Kessel might score more points but he it is questionable if he would be the best player in the deal, especially when removed from Pittsburg. Seem like a big overpayment in talent and cap to for one NHLer. Pouilet despite all the trades on this site is not an NHLer.
Haula is better and cheaper than Hagelin, so why do we get on seeing these Hagelin deals? If Jets likes Maatta long term, the Jets trade seems very reasonable.</div></div>

So you don't know about Kessel in BOS and TOR? He was more of his teams offense than any player in the league and putting up similar or even better numbers than he does in PIT, where he's played most often on the 3rd line over the past 2 seasons. $6.8m for a top 10-15 player in the league is steal. Pouliot is a prospect, which is all McCann is as well. 23 yr old D prospects are usually still trying to get into the NHL, especially on Cup winning teams. What would your counter offer be?

Haula might be, but Hagelin is worth more at the deadline. He's been there and done that. He's a 28 yr old vet ... Haula is a 26 yr old who puts up similar numbers to Hagelin. He might be talented but he didn't win a better spot in MIN and Vegas isn't really building a team right now. They're acquiring assets that they will build a team with. I also add Wilson and a 3rd, which is far more than Reinhart is worth, so that should make up a difference in value. If you don't agree then whats would your counter offer be?
Forum: Armchair-GM6 août 2017 à 22 h 2
Forum: Armchair-GM5 août 2017 à 15 h 31
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mikker575</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ess</b></div><div>

Aroms offer is ... not realistic. He's offering way to much ... Johnson and PITs 1st gets Tierney and SJ 2nd or something very close. Kessel is so much better then Hertel (who is all potential and injury) that the deal doesn't even make sense ... and he's offering retention on a contract that is so far beyond reasonable it's silly. He scored 70pts and 23 more in the playoffs, and has one 2 cups ... that's an $9m player, making $6.8m and he's offering to retain $1m down to $5.9m? He's only 29, going on 30, and is signed for more 5 years or until he is 34, which should all still be prime years. Pavelski is 33 right now.

<strong>Meier</strong> hasn't show much yet, as I believe you said yourself. <strong>Teirney</strong> is a 3rd center and thats all he's projected to be,<strong> Braun</strong> a mid-ish defenseman on most teams, but a 5th in PIT (which is replaceable)<strong>, and a 1st</strong> (mid to late (16-30)round if SJ is a play off team) ... for a player that will out score you're best forward playing on you're 3rd line if you wanted ... He and Pavelski played together internationally too. Everyone you trade can be replaced. How many players in the league can do what Phil Kessel can do and are being paid $6.8m? He's a top 10-20 player in the NHL. He played left side point and left forward on the PP and many of his points come off the left side of the ice so transition would be simple.</div></div>

So what do you want in exchange for Kessel alone with no picks and other players?</div></div>

Kessel for Mier, Teirney, Braun, and 1st.

Actually feel like PIT should be asking for 2nd as well.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 août 2017 à 2 h 13
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Forum: Armchair-GM4 août 2017 à 18 h 18
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mikker575</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ess</b></div><div>Kesssel for Meier, Tierney, Braun and a 1st ... I'd throw in Archibald or Simon or another prospect/4th liner that isn't Aston-Reese, Jarry, or Sprong ... or a 4th rounder or later.

Scott Wilson and Archibald for Tierney.
Scott Wilson and a 4th for Teirney.

Hagelin for Chris Tierney and a 2nd or 3rd.


Obviously willing for counter offers.



Why the hell would you retain any money? He's already has retention from TOR that makes him a beyond reasonable cap hit.</div></div>

Scott Wilson and 4th for Tierney? Yes please, like that one.

That trade with Kessel I think the value might be there but still don´t like the trade because after what Aroms5477 offered this looks like too much? I would see it Kessel for Braun, Tierney, 1st round plus some prospect (not Meier or Labanc, maybe Goodrow, Carpenter (both RW) or Chartier (center)?) and maybe some conditional pick about Kessel performance?</div></div>

Aroms offer is ... not realistic. He's offering way to much ... Johnson and PITs 1st gets Tierney and SJ 2nd or something very close. Kessel is so much better then Hertel (who is all potential and injury) that the deal doesn't even make sense ... and he's offering retention on a contract that is so far beyond reasonable it's silly. He scored 70pts and 23 more in the playoffs, and has one 2 cups ... that's an $9m player, making $6.8m and he's offering to retain $1m down to $5.9m? He's only 29, going on 30, and is signed for more 5 years or until he is 34, which should all still be prime years. Pavelski is 33 right now.

Meier hasn't show much yet, as I believe you said yourself. Teirney is a 3rd center and thats all he's projected to be, Braun a mid-ish defenseman on most teams, but a 5th in PIT (which is replaceable), and a 1st (mid to late (16-30)round if SJ is a play off team) ... for a player that will out score you're best forward playing on you're 3rd line if you wanted ... He and Pavelski played together internationally too. Everyone you trade can be replaced. How many players in the league can do what Phil Kessel can do and are being paid $6.8m? He's a top 10-20 player in the NHL. He played left side point and left forward on the PP and many of his points come off the left side of the ice so transition would be simple.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 août 2017 à 15 h 6
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickC1988</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ess</b></div><div>Hossa isn't going to play this season and his career is likely over ... Put him on IR, but don't expect any thing for him. DeBrincat is a midget and has never played pro-hockey so that value isn't going to much, and CHI first should be 20th or later unless they have a super crappy year. If that's the best CHI has to offer I don't see anyway they get Torcheck. Other teams would definitely offer more, but why would FLA give him up?</div></div>

Your DeBrincat assessment alone should get you kicked from this website. You have no idea what you're talking about.</div></div>

Are we supposed to be real NHL GMs and scouts to sign up for this site? You're pretentiousness should get you kicked off ... no, you should just consider making an argument rather than dismissing legit concerns about a player.

"DeBrincat is a midget and has never played pro-hockey so that value isn't going to much ... " Seems pretty accurate though "going to much" should have read "going to be that much," as in enough to be the main piece in in a Torcheck deal. I get that he's talented and tenacious and has done it with and with out McDavid/Strome in the OHL ... but there's a ton of undersides players who were wonderful in the Jr and struggled to play pro, let alone NHL. Projection are not sure things ... Torcheck is.

Hossa ... not playing this season at 38 yrs old ... <a href="https://blackhawkup.com/2017/07/25/chicago-blackhawks-possibilities-marian-hossa-ltir-space/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://blackhawkup.com/2017/07/25/chicago-blackhawks-possibilities-marian-hossa-ltir-space/</a>
DeBrincat ... size is a question ... <a href="https://www.nhl.com/player/alex-debrincat-8479337" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nhl.com/player/alex-debrincat-8479337</a> and <a href="https://www.secondcityhockey.com/2016/11/8/13557488/alex-debrincat-ohl-stats-breakdown-blackhawks-prospects-2016" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.secondcityhockey.com/2016/11/8/13557488/alex-debrincat-ohl-stats-breakdown-blackhawks-prospects-2016</a>
Torcheck is an ACTUAL PROVEN NHL caliber talent at 24 ... <a href="https://www.nhl.com/player/vincent-trocheck-8476389" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.nhl.com/player/vincent-trocheck-8476389</a>
Projections don't equal outcome ... <a href="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2298373-ranking-the-10-biggest-draft-busts-in-the-nhl-since-2000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2298373-ranking-the-10-biggest-draft-busts-in-the-nhl-since-2000</a>