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Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 nov. 2021 à 1 h 4
Sujet:
Lets just tank
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Petey232323</b></div><div>Thats all u want for petry?? i get he's had a down year or whatever but jeez.</div></div>
I changed the 4th round pick for a 2nd, after reconsideration. He is going to be 34 in december, so there isn't a potential for him to get better. This trade was set on selling right now instead of waiting for his value to drop.
Also, considering that Holland has been critized for his defensemen acquisition since taking over in EDM, you could argue that he wouldn't counter-offer on a trade like this, which is ideal.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 nov. 2021 à 1 h 0
Sujet:
Lets just tank
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>seanross</b></div><div>I like your thinking but I think your value are way too low. Chiarot could get us at least a 2cnd round pick, if not a first. He’s what a contender look for, a big guy who can play a lot of minutes. Instead of meh prospect, we should go get a first for Toffoli. Petry with retaintion could get us a prospect and a pick. Id also put Poehling on that 3rd line, I dont see anything great about Olofsson. He’s not even an Ahl player.</div></div>
I agree the return value may be low, I did this in 30 minutes with the goal of clearing every player who potentially wouldn't be part of the core for MTL in two to three years.
Chariot for a first would surprise me. It's not exactly the same situation as, for example, what Goodrow was traded for two years ago. As stated in another comment above, Johannesson is really underated. The 6th round pick could be moved up to a 3rd, I might agree.
The ''meh prospects'' are actually playing well right now and will continue to develop. Noah Ellis is a big RHD who can move the puck well, he's gonna play in the NCAA for at least the next two years. Donovan is a big right-handed center with speed and hand hability. Vikman is a 6-2-1 goalie playing in the WHL this year, although he doesn't have the greatest stats it is still an actual tangible return instead of a 5th round or later pick. You could make an argument about another prospect from another team being a better return by himself than those three for sure, but I specifically looked at the VGK prospect pool and that's what, in my mind, would be an acceptable return. The 4th round pick could also be changed for a 3rd.
I am of the pick-a-player-instead-of-a-pick school, meaning that you know what you get with a player right now instead of waiting to see what you can have with a pick two years from now.
Which is exactly what you get with Wanner, a prospect, another big RHD who can move the puck with ease. I changed the 4th round pick to a 2nd, since everybody seems to value Petry more highly. The difference between a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick from Edmonton this draft year (meaning 20th or more) won't really change much.
Poeling on the 3rd line instead of Evans, I don't know... Maybe if Evans gets injured or plays badly, which for the time being he is very not.
Olofsson has been playing in the SHL, Sweden's elite hockey league, for two years and a half now. I would argue that the level of players between AHL and the SHL are actually closer then most people think. These are real men with real skill playing in Sweden nowadays. Same with the NCAA and the Liiga.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 nov. 2021 à 23 h 59
Sujet:
Lets just tank
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>You're basically giving Chiarot away here but the Jets are pretty flush with LHD.
You're getting essentially nothing for Petry.. Lol
Long term retention like that isn't realistic, no GM would ever do that.</div></div>
Johannesson is an underated prospect, but the 6th round pick is pretty much magic beans, I'll give you that.
Petry's value is way down, and salary cap retention isn't used enough especially if you are going into a rebuild. We're talking about 2.5M for the next three years after this season, that's about what Lekhonen makes. I prefer trading Petry while he is still worth something instead of a bottom 6 depth forward.
An argument could be made to change the 3rd round pick for a 2nd to be fair...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 nov. 2021 à 23 h 50
Sujet:
Lets just tank
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pmbrouillard</b></div><div>didn't read that.</div></div>
Yup, I really went in on the details
TLDR ; Habs need to tank.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
26 févr. 2021 à 0 h 4
Sujet:
Price on the bench
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habs4ever</b></div><div>Although I agree with you, go read some of the comments on RDS. I cannot write in French but I can read it very well. Almost everyday there is a comment about language. It is heavy to always be dealing with that. I knew in 1987 I was leaving Quebec not because I hated the place but because I was tired of the same arguments all the time. In 34 years of living outside of Quebec, my ears have only heard it once that they did not like the people in Quebec, only once in 34 years. Now I am not blind, I know there is currently many people in Alberta that are angry at the pipeline being cancelled and I am reading online that it is perceived as Quebecs fault. But when I speak with my extended family members still living in Quebec, they still complain about the language stuff. Back to hockey, I believe the head coach will be french or bilingual. But there are plenty of French speaking coaches, so for me this is a mute point.
I am going over the 6 goals. 1 empty net, so 5 goals. Of the 5, 3 of them are players picking up the wrong players in their defensive assignments. Price was weak on the 4th goal. But he is getting absolutely slammed by the comments already. If those players pick up the right players, you have no need for the extra attacker and the game finishes 3 to 2 for MTL.</div></div>
Lol, RDS comment sections do not represent the opinion of the majority.
I definitely agree that the language argument gets heavy, and I do have empathy for those it can affect negatively. Im not gonna go into politics discussions here, since this is a hockey forum but to put it simply Quebec province has always been different than the rest of Canada (as the saying goes: "...except in Quebec"), both culturally and in spirit.
Price has and will always be slammed if he can't make a game saving save or lets in more than 3 goals repeatedly in a short span of games (even though the defense in front of him don't do well). He's getting paid 10.5 M$ to do just that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2021 à 23 h 19
Sujet:
Price on the bench
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheNorthStar</b></div><div>Yeah, I completely agree with you although I don't speak french or live in Quebec so I don't really know how much it may mean to some fans. But yeah I think the Habs really need to move past the French speaking requirement as you just said. The glory days of having lots of French speaking players and coaches are over and I don't think hiring Michel Therrien a third time (or any other french coach) would be the best move for the Habs. The Habs really need to move past the French speaking thing, it's holding them back.</div></div>
Yup. Not saying that there aren't any talented coach or players who can speak french obviously, but it's just too small of a pool to choose from.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2021 à 23 h 17
Sujet:
Price on the bench
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habs4ever</b></div><div>ah yes my friend but the emotions of Vive le Quebec libre, is entirely based on emotion and not logic. So it will be a very tough sell to les "gens du pays"!</div></div>
You don't need to sell it if the new coach makes the team win more games.
''Vive le Quebec libre'' as you say was in 1967, I think as the older generations go off into the sunset, the emotions related to language for a hockey team coach will be gone with them...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2021 à 23 h 3
Sujet:
lines next game
Yes, Armia on the first line!
I've been saying that for a long time. The guy is so underated, it's insane.
Anderson isn't going to miss a lot of games tho, probably even might play on saturday.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2021 à 22 h 56
Sujet:
Price on the bench
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheNorthStar</b></div><div>Yea but Cunneyworth isn't french.</div></div>
I seriously think speaking french should not be a criteria to be a head coach in MTL... And I am a french speaking quebecois.
Experience and skills are way more important than where you were born or what language you can speak, that's just logic.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2021 à 22 h 50
Sujet:
Price on the bench
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheNorthStar</b></div><div>I think you guys could use a coach like Claude Julien, Michel Therrien, Alain Vigneault, or Jacques Martin.</div></div>
Yup... I think Randy Cunneyworth is looking for a job also...
Seriously tho, I think Ducharme will not be able to turn the ship around for this season and Bergevin will be out by this summer.
Patrick Roy would be nice, but time will tell...
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
25 févr. 2021 à 22 h 46
Sujet:
Eichel
As much as I would love to see Eichel in a habs uniform, I think I would have nightmares in which Suzuki lights it up with the Sabres even more...
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
25 févr. 2021 à 22 h 44
Sujet:
Eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lafszn</b></div><div>idk if my eyes deceive me but price to Seattle? come on its been half of a bad year why give up on him when he still has gas left in the tank.</div></div>
I would look at Price's stats for this season if I were you... Is that worth 10,5 M on the cap to you ?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2021 à 22 h 40
Sujet:
Lets get ppl fired up before bed
I would gladly accept that trade if I was Bergevin! o.0 holy smokes that's not a fair trade
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2020 à 21 h 3
Sujet:
Lafreniere Starter
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nhl_oilers</b></div><div>Yah but you could sign someone else with the extra money if you didn’t overpay Strome. He isn’t as good as people think. He is a 3c, that’s got carried by the line mates around him (mostly Panarin). You guys should go and sign a good LHD, and then you will be better. Plus where’s DeAngelo?</div></div>
Might be an unpopulor opinion, but I would rather have an overpaid but reliable center then another RD...
I do agree that the weak link is the LHD but with Staal's and Smith's unmovable contracts and the cap staying at 81,5m next year it's pretty tight.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2020 à 20 h 44
Sujet:
Lafreniere Starter
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Suzuki_Cup</b></div><div>7,5 mil for a "correct" 2nd center... ouch</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JumboJoe</b></div><div>yikes that's a lot for Strome</div></div>
Only for one year tho, if he continues on the season he had, then it's worth it (59 pts in 70 games). If not, then he will re-sign for less or sign somewhere else.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 févr. 2020 à 18 h 19
Sujet:
Suzuki Calder Run Part Deux
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy739</b></div><div>15 goals . . . . . . . that has value , always has ... here's a secret ... it always will
you can always spot someone who looks at points only then jumps to conclusions but how much they spout off dramatically like they're revealing something shocking.
Also since when is Chicago '' playoff ready''
i'm done reading your comment it lacks reality</div></div>
I look at points, sure. But also advanced analytics like Corsi, Fenwick and PDO.
Saad has drastically declined in both offensive production and defensive reliability in the last year.
He might have 15 goals right now, but you know who else almost does? Joel Armia (14G), who is getting paid way less than Saad, has more points and a better +/-
Would you trade Armia for the equivalent of the trade shown above? I don't think so...
Byron being playoff ready is a metaphor for any team currently hoping to make the playoffs. I wasn't refering to Chicago specificaly.
Reality is subjective, my dude.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 févr. 2020 à 18 h 9
Sujet:
Stop the bleeding Kovalchuk and Toffoli
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Because we didn't want him.</div></div>
And since this thread wasn't created by you, it's normal you don't want him in STL.
My point was; Sanford isn't worth Kovy one for one. MTL is suddently back into the playoff race by a thin margin because of him. He, along with a few others, helped spark up a revival for that team.
Sure, it might not translate into Kovy helping another team hoping to go far into the cup run. But there is « hype » around his name, and therefore value is inflated.
Same thing happened with Gaborik a few years back. He got traded to LA from CBJ and helped them win the stanley cup.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 févr. 2020 à 0 h 33
Sujet:
Stop the bleeding Kovalchuk and Toffoli
No way MTL lets Kovy go for Sanford. Add a 2nd round pick and a prospect to that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 févr. 2020 à 0 h 20
Sujet:
Suzuki Calder Run Part Deux
So essentially doing Chicago a service by letting them trade Saad? He's clearly on his decline and with his contract, MTL would ask for a bigger price.
Byron might have a good value, but he's in the IR since Nov 15. No team would consider him ''playoff ready''.
Lekhonen is also a good middle 6 forward. MTL would be losers in this trade scenario.
I do like the Schneider trade tho...
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
9 févr. 2020 à 0 h 11
Sujet:
Theres hope for next season
Already been said, but Hall and Nurse aren't coming to MTL.
Hall might will not resign in ARZ, but chances are he'll find a huge contract somewhere else.
Nurse will not get traded since EDM are in need of realiable LDs at the moment. Domi and even Mete won't make them change their mind.
Kulak for two 4th round picks seems a bit much. Two 5th, maybe...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 févr. 2020 à 0 h 4
Sujet:
GO HABS GO
Danault (57 GP 12G 27A 39P +14) > Duchene (51 GP 11G 24A 35P -2)
Danault is way better defensively and Duchene is playing with arguably better wingers.
Tatar is worth way more on his own. He is having the best season of his career so far and most teams would pay a lot more to acquire him.
Byron is really underated and MTL would not benifit to trade him.
Kulak and Weal are OK to get rid of, but getting rid of veterans (and not signing others to replace them) might not work in the long run deep in the season.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
8 févr. 2020 à 2 h 3
Sujet:
Extend Kovy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>Hey ! Watch 2 games, stop looking at the stats, go on onhockey.tv and watch a CHI game and your eyes will bleed, he's soo bad, I couldn't believe after what I saw CHI fans are asking for a 2nd rd pick. He could fetch that after is 60 points season, not anymore</div></div>
Who would you sign to reinforce the LD then?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
8 févr. 2020 à 2 h 1
Sujet:
Extend Kovy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy739</b></div><div>1. a single season of success followed by nothing is just that. (CHI loaded up on LD in the off seasons knowing he'd go back to regular production)
2. Vedejmo is 1/41 contracted players in a log jam for minutes in Laval . if we had an ECHL team half the roster would be sent down . Either way you dont move him out you mutually terminate sending him back to Europe to develop like WPG did with Vasalainen before bring him back to play in the AHL this year a more complete player .
3. What part of ''babysitter in Laval '' escapes you?
or are you seriously suggesting Kovy,Weber and Gallagher get sent down to mentor the youth ?
Weise has produced on pace with Weal and had an impact .
old or not he's been chosen over perceived better players since his call up .
MTL has started winning to since he has come up as before him we were the joke with two 8 game losing streaks before December was over
Sometimes a spark plug is needed .</div></div>
1. Chicago sport media don't seem to share that opinion, at least what I can find on Gustafsson for this season. Chicago loading up on LD is exactly why he won't resign there.
2. His contract termination possibility and AHL/ECHL balance is not a short term concern. The window for a cup is closing and Vejdemo is not going to be an important piece for the next few years.
3. Babysitter in Laval for a 1 million cap hit, yeah I got that part. Weal and other bottom 6 guys come and go. It just happens to be Weise becoming a UFA this summer.
The spark plug you're talking about is Kovy and the awakening of Petry / Charriot. They aren't perfect, but they really started to contribute offensively. Credit to Julien and the training staff to actually implement a new style of offense-first hockey.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 févr. 2020 à 0 h 46
Sujet:
Extend Kovy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>Holy smokes, watch 2 entire Chicago games and you wouldn’t want to trade Kulak for him. He is so bad defensively, not worse than Erik Karlsson but close</div></div>
He's better than Scandella, Mete or Folin both defensively and ofensively. He's -4 , so relatively decent compared to others (Chicago D men average is at +0.4 / league D men average is at + 0.7)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>Byron on the 3rd line and Lehkonen on the 4th l m a o</div></div>
Those line combinations aren't poured in concrete, injuries and/or line chemistry would definetly force Julien to mix it up.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy739</b></div><div>What's sad is my biggest objection is really Vedejmo who since coming to NA has lead Laval with Evans almost by themselves as always injured MTL depleted their rosters.
Joel Bouchard talks about Vedejmo in the same way Claude Julien does about Lehkonen since his very first public address after his 1st practice and never stopping . </div></div>
I watched the last ten or so Laval games entirely. Vejdemo just doesn't seem fit for the big leagues. Bouchard might think otherwise but at 23 years old and with an already stacked center prospect pool, I don't think he's worth keeping around.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy739</b></div><div>
i mean obviously not bringing back Weise makes no sense. Young guys love him , Domi called him his '' all time favorite teammate '' recently during Weise's 500th NHL game . signing him for 1-1.2 million with a 500k AHL salary gives us a Babysitter in Laval we can trust and a mentor the kids Respect .</div></div>
1 million for a babysitter who wouldn't play if injuries are low? No thank you. Keep in mind that Kovy, Weber and Gallagher already proved themselves to be the real leaders of this team. You want a good locker room guy who can produce and not slow the rest of the team on the ice.
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Armchair-GM
6 févr. 2020 à 0 h 49
Sujet:
Extend Kovy
Forgot to mention that KK and Poehling start the year in Laval - need to improve their game. Might get called up in case of injuries.
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