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Armchair-GM
dim. à 15 h 12
Sujet:
Habs 24-25
Dumping Anderson would be cost Barron alone, Hawks aren't doing this with Reichel
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 14 h 56
Sujet:
Poll Is Kaapo worth a top 10 pick yes or no
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JK74</b></div><div>Maybe to NY he's worth it because they've invested a lot into him but he's not worth it to Chicago.</div></div>
I don't even see that...at some point, after 5 seasons with this season being his worst at .28ppg, Drury would love for a top 10 pick to land in his hands to trade Kaapo's RFA rights this summer. He can do a lot more on the trade market with a top 10 pick than he can with Kaapo.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 14 h 47
Sujet:
San Jose Remake
The Hawks don't even respond
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 14 h 45
Sujet:
Is this team good
Define good?
Good enough to make the playoffs; yes.
Good enough to make it out of the first or second round; no.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
dim. à 14 h 39
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR1983</b></div><div>If you want to make the argument for him saying yes to a top 10 pick them make an acgm with that being the offer… again all this is your opinion which completely contradicts everything drury has said and done.. but if you want to play pretend that he would suddenly change then go right ahead.</div></div>
If you don't think Drury would take a top 10 pick for Kaapo, which is YOUR opinion, then it's your right to have that opinion but isn't substantiated. Kaapo after 5 seasons is simply nowhere near being worth a top 10 pick...that's not opinion, that is simple fact based on the historical trade market. Drury also knows that top 10 pick is more valuable than Kaapo (fact), so if he was offered that in the offseason, he would use it as trade bait to land a better player as a top 10 pick 1000% would land a better player than Kaapo can in isolation.
You've got guys like Philipp Kurashev, 4 seasons in, a former 4th rounder, with 46 points in 63 games which is way better than Kaapo and it's unlikely he's worth a late 1st for comparison (which I have here in this GM) and not a chance the Hawks would trade him for Kaapo straight up for Kaapo even though Drury would love that move all day long. To suggest Drury wouldn't take a top 10 pick for Kaapo to use that as a very valuable asset to get a better player is simply bad asset management and I don't believe Drury is bad at managing assets. I do think fans get attached to players and are still holding onto the fact that Kaapo was a former 2nd overall 5 seasons ago. Notice how every one that's not a Rangers fan either says this trade is fair or Chicago shouldn't give up a late 1st for Kaapo...those are non-biased opinions and fans tend to overvalue their own players for the aforementioned reasons.
It was also widely reported that Drury was listening to offers on Kaapo, and I'm willing to bet not a single team offered him a top 10 pick or the equivalent value in a player; the market rates don't lend itself to anything better.
All opinions be it yours or mine boil down to we aren't Drury...so only he knows. However, as widely reported Kaapo is not untouchable and the market dictates what's he's worth at the end by using historical trade values and Kaapo simply isn't worth more than a late 1st currently and he's definitely not going to land a solid top 6 payer unless he's a rental. Drury isn't an idiot though.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 12 h 25
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR1983</b></div><div>That 1st round pick isn’t helping them out in the next few years. We do know this, he won’t move him unless it’s for roster improvement that’s not rental..</div></div>
Again, you're looking at this in vacuum. If he got a top 10 pick, he would do it in a heartbeat because he knows he can get a excellent player by making a second trade with that top 10 pick. That said, Kaapo is nowhere worth that much obviously, but the point isn't the pick, it's acquiring a more valuable asset than Kaapo which he uses to upgrade the roster
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 20 h 59
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fox_Czar_Cup</b></div><div>So you never watch him play, just repeat tmz reports lol</div></div>
LMAO where did you see that in my replies :laugh
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 12 h 41
Sujet:
Two years out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Yeah. I'm aware of what guys like Wheeler and Pronman are saying. But those two, especially, being with one of the larger hockey publications out there, are always conservative with their rankings and words. Plenty of other public scouts have differing opinions on this years crop. Wheeler and Pronman are not the authority or the "professionals", in my opinion. They are professional writers, or another resource and another voice in the discussion, nothing more. And, like many scouts, they are very often wrong. In my opinion and that of some other public scouts, there are plenty of guys in this draft with top of the lineup potential outside of the top 10. I do not believe the drop off is as dramatic as they are making it seem.</div></div>
I get it, but they do, just like scouts, go out and watch in person which a lot of random publications don't. That said, they aren't scouts and like scouts get a lot wrong (the success rate in the NHL is obviously very low), but they are more qualified IMO then most of the other publications.
That said, there is always potential in the the first round to be top of the lineup players, but very few every draft year make it to that ceiling. I do see guys like Greentree, Ignila, Parascak, Parekh, Catton, etc. as far as forwards and outside of the top 8 picks in the draft of having a chance of course, but the likihood of those being top of the lineup players becomes more luck than anything...way too hard to see who develops at this point and is able to improve their shortcomings. Maybe 1 or 2 hits, but they are more than likely middle 6 players or worse IMO.
Every year everyone also gets excited for the current draft and think the draft year is better than it is. 2017 and 2018 were prime examples of this and are old enough to look in hindsight to see how many top of the lineup players. You can even go look at 2019 at this point, which is a stronger draft year, and see how many misses in the first round as far as top the lineup players...maybe 5 or so out of that draft year? I don't think 2024 is better than any of those 3 years and the results are, very few are top of the lineup players.
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Mock-Draft
sam. à 11 h 57
Sujet:
first round redo. based on progression
Domi is way too high here. Seth Jones is better than Domi. Domi can't run his own line, he's a supporting player next to a stud and that's the only way he can produce offensively and defensively he's not good. Seth Jones has been tied to rookies/young players since becoming a Hawk which makes it difficult on him. Put him on a playoff team next to a good defender and Jones is a top 30 defender in the league at a minimum
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Mock-Draft
sam. à 11 h 53
Sujet:
first round redo. based on progression
Seabrook continues to be underrated due to the last contract being overpaid by the Hawks and how his career ended. In his early years and throughout this prime he was one of the best defenders in the league and only overshadowed on the Hawks by Ducan Keith who is one of the best defensive players of all time.
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 48
Sujet:
Two years out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>I don't think this opinion is going to age well. But we shall see. I think if McQueen falls in the draft order, it will be because others rise, and not because of his own ability. He is going to be an exceptional top 6 power forward, imo.
Passing on Lindstrom is going going to be regretted by a lot of teams if he doesn't go in the top 5. haha
I disagree. I think there is a ton of potential outside of the top 10, and even into the 2nd round. Iginla, Misa, Chernyshov, Artamonov, Sennecke, Boisvert, Stiga, Brunicke, Badinka, Freij, Hutson, Masse, Basha, Parascak, Kiviharju, Jiricek, I could go on and on. There are so many guys with top of the lineup potential in there.
If we are comparing to last year, yeah, it's definitely "weaker." But last year was an abnormally deep draft, that we probably won't see again for a while. On average, this is a very good draft without any steep dropoffs, aside from after Celebrini and then another somewhere in the mid 2nd to early 3rd, probably. Though, I think the drop off after Celebrini has more to do with readiness than what it will look like with the benefit of hindsight in a few years.</div></div>
That's counter to what a few experts are saying including Wheeler who recently just published in The Athletic. The fall off from top line potential is dramatic to most years with only the top 4 or 5 truly having top line potential. Top 6/top 4 it opens up to the top 9 or 10. After that it is noticeably weak with bottom line/bottom 6 guys and by the last 3rd players who have a chance to play "some games" in the NHL.. This according to their analysis. All the guys you listed are Tier 3 or Tier 4, meaning middle or bottom of the lineup guys with outside chance of top 2/top 4 line guys.
2026 is supposed to be particularly strong again, with 2025 being slightly better than 2024.
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 44
Sujet:
Two years out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>Chicago won't be drafting top 5 in 2026 so I guess it's good that it should be deeper. I'd love to snag another 26 1st via cap dump acquisition this summer</div></div>
I think you're right but who knows how the lottery balls bounce and where they end up in the standings. What is certain is for the next 2 seasons they will have a top 10 pick as I don't see this team being competitive until the 26/27 season with the Hawks making a splash or two in free agency in the summer of 2026.
Let's say this draft they take Demidov, Lindstrom, or Levshunov this year, they all should be ready for the 2026/2027 season (Demidov not earlier because of his KHL contract). I would argue the 2025 draft will be more important to take a forward versus defender because of the timetable to have someone ready to play in the NHL within 15 months to start the 2026/2027 season. At that point, the Hawks will have Vlasic, Bedard, Korchinski, Commesso, Nazar, Moore, Rinzel, maybe Gajan, Salggert, and any of Kaiser, Allan, Del Mastro, Dach, Hayes, Greene, etc. plus a fairly young Reichel and Kurashev. The window to start competing will be wide open at that point. Add Levshunov/Demidov/Lindstrom to that list and the 2025 draft pick with 15 months of conditioning if they draft a forward and they should because just looking at the list here of most hopefuls, it's easy to see the number of forwards is lacking.
For the 2026 draft, as you pointed out it is unlikely they get a top 5 pick, that player won't be ready likely until the 2027/2028 season or later.
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Mock-Draft
sam. à 11 h 29
Sujet:
Tankathon Mock - March
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AStovetop</b></div><div>Sharks are super deep at LHD. I think they'd almost definitely trade up to get Parekh or Yakemchuk if they get Celebrini. If they're not able to, the they possibly even prefer Catton or Helenius at 11 over Buium.
I think Chicago likely take Dimidov at 2, but I'm just not super blown away by Lindstrom overall</div></div>
All depends on how the Hawks feel about Sam Rinzel. He certainly proving in college he's a stop 4 defensive prospect, but is he a first liner? If the Hawks feel he has a 2nd line ceiling at this point, I could see them going for Levshunov with the 2nd overall pick. On the other hand, if they feel Rinzel can be a first liner, they will go with forward for sure either taking Lindstrom or Demidov and depending how they feel about Demidov and when he will come to the NHL (by 2026) he could be the pick as Chicago noticeably needs a RW forward prospect.
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 23
Sujet:
my hope for Hawks offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>I'd be in favor of getting a Demelo or Pesce. Really just another veteran RD. We should keep our stockpile of LD on their natural side. Rinzel should have at least 1 more year in UM and then like EDM he should get a year at least in Rockford. That'll go through Murphy's contract...we'll see about an extension at that point, but in the mean time. Another good RD that's a defensive Dman would be a good move.</div></div>
Agree, that's about all the Hawks should add is a veteran RD guy. MAYBE, a short term vet in the top 6 they can flip at the TDL next season or the season after. The Hawks only goal should be youth development and a lottery pick next season.
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 20
Sujet:
Two years out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Not a McQueen fan? I'll need to take a closer look. I hear you on physicality in juniors translating to NHL ability. Some kids just grow up faster than others. I'm sure your not a Cayden Lindstrom fan then either?</div></div>
The draft is noticeably weaker this year outside of the top 9 or so IMO. There will be diamonds in the rough so to speak, but I see a lot of potential bottom 6/bottom line players in 2/3rds of the 1st round. Even outside of the top 4 or 5, there isn't a lot of top line potential. Unfortunately, the same can be said at this point about the 2025 draft, maybe slighter better than this year. 2026 draft is looking very strong though.
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 15
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fox_Czar_Cup</b></div><div>We'd get Way more than Newhook or Lundkvist, but picks wouldn't cut it anyway. Like Kreider Chytil Laf, we'll wait for him to collect more points, while being a big solid player.</div></div>
Well Newhook is playing above a .5ppg rate this season whereas Kaapo is under .3ppg. I get that Kaapo is solid defensively, but aside from his lack of offensive production, his skating is questionable at the NHL level.
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Armchair-GM
sam. à 11 h 11
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR1983</b></div><div>Reread what I wrote.. he doesn’t value the 1st more than Kakko. Drury wouldn’t move him in a guentzl trade.. he also spoke to media saying he’s happy with the progress and is being very patient. Read between the lines bud. I’m not drury, I’m listening and seeing what he’s saying and doing. Body language is telling. He values him more than a 1st lol</div></div>
You don't know that. What if the first is a top 10 pick, a top 15, a top 20? You're making a huge assumption that you simply don't know what or how he values a 1st.
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Armchair-GM
ven. à 19 h 49
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>The rangers still need good, 2 way cheap players. Not to mention he is their only RW on the roster minus Laffy. Whoever they get with Kakko or the 1st still isn’t gonna be on the powerplay and probably would be the 6th best player in the top 6 lol
Taylor Hall is an aging, declining vet who only has 1 year left and doesn’t fit their timeline. Try again lol</div></div>
Hence why Kaapo is still on the Rangers...top 6 guys who move the needle don't grow on trees and certainly won't unless the Rangers give up a lot more than Kaapo. But better than having a player sit on the bench for parts of the playoffs like Kaapo did last season! :).
Anyway, just spitballing ideas here. The Rangers window is open and I personally don't think Kaapo is given a long enough leash on the Rangers to develop.
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Armchair-GM
ven. à 19 h 47
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR1983</b></div><div>Fun fact… regardless of your feelings towards his value or NYR reiterating the fact that he isn’t being moved… it’s not because we want an outrageous package and that he’s an untouchable player. It’s that Drury has been very open about him not being on the table unless it were part of acquiring an upgrade with term. So in its simplest form. They don’t want picks, they want to acquire an established name. So… this 1st isn’t moving the needle the same way Kakko doesn’t move the needle for you. So Bustko and Bustfreniere are staying put in NY</div></div>
Fun fact, if Drury thinks a 1st is more valuable than Kaapo, like any GM, he trades him to utilize the first to get something he couldn't by trading Kaapo because at the end of the day....players or draft picks are just assets. Also a fun fact, you aren't Drury and neither am I so I avoid acting like I know what will happen and instead discuss opinions. :)
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Armchair-GM
ven. à 16 h 22
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ujeje</b></div><div>Haven't seen too much NYR games, but what i've understood is that Kakko is actually elite defensively and puck possession monster with big body. Last year 40 points with 00:53 TOIPP and 15min TOI. Biggest problem has been converting possession to points (shooting more wouldn't hurt). The Kid Line clicked well last season, didn't work out with Zibanejad (who's actually having worst season since 2017-18) & Kreider for some reason. Change of scenery would prolly be the best for Kakko and he could be really good linemate for Bedard.
Has he been worth the 2OA? Absolutely not. Is he a good NHLer? Absolutely yes. Is he worth a late first? In my opinion yes.
That TOR 1st <-> Kakko would be a good deal for Chicago. Maybe helps Rangers to acquire a first line RW in another trade also. But i also understand why Rags fans wouldn't want to do it unless they can flip that pick & something else for proven Top 6 RW.
This is just outsiders opinion.</div></div>
Agree with what you said with the exception of being defensively elite. He's good, not great defensively IMO. But my logic in this is close to what you shared otherwise.
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ven. à 16 h 21
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Terrifiedofeveryone</b></div><div>Lmao if you consider my one sentence response refuting your claim aggressive then idk what to tell you.</div></div>
"So it’s your own made-up valuation with no historical basis or backing logic, got it."
Sarcastic and assumptive at a minimum; and honestly, not looking for you to tell me anything :)
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Armchair-GM
ven. à 16 h 20
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>Again, you probably couldn’t propose a trade where that 1st probably lands someone better than Kakko (keep in mind: minimal powerplay time, cheap cap hit, young and controllable, right winger)</div></div>
He's not really controlled right now. He's an RFA and only has a couple years of control left. He's also not getting much PP time or top 6 time anymore because he's proven he's not that player on a contender. I don't think Kaapo is worth more then a 2nd to most NHL teams, via a direct 2nd round in return or of equivalent value in a trade for a player. My point of view is the Rangers would get better value owning a 1st round pick to trade than Kaapo. I could be wrong of course, just based on what I've seen from him, read about from beat reporters/insiders, etc.
A rebuilding team may be willing to take a flier on Kaapo and they have the luxury of patience including letting him make mistakes in a top 6 role. Rangers don't have the patience for that. As such, there's only a handful of rebuilding teams that would have interest in Kaapo.
Let's try this as an alternative; Taylor Hall (half retained) and maybe a 3rd rounder for Kaapo...there's your top 6 player.
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Armchair-GM
ven. à 16 h 14
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Terrifiedofeveryone</b></div><div>So it’s your own made-up valuation with no historical basis or backing logic, got it.</div></div>
Why are you getting aggressive, do you find I personally insulted you? Do you really think you know better by challenging what other's are saying on this post without providing historical basis or backing logic yourself to support your OPINION? Try looking in a mirror before responding to people's opinions aggressively.
Let's spell out the obvious...
From a offensive production standpoint...
He's a .38ppg career player after 5 seasons after 1 okay season last year boosting his offensive production to .48ppg
This season he's down to a .28ppg player, which is his worst offensive production in 5 seasons.
The arrow is trending the wrong way offensively. Beyond not finding a way to product offensively, another issue is his skating isn't the best at the pro level.
Defensively he's pretty good, not great, but pretty good which is his best quality in the NHL.
All signs point to him being a bottom 6 player, after 5 seasons, on a playoff team. Those types of players at most garner late 1sts and usually 2nds and 3rds. However, given his age and draft spot, there's a little left to predraft qualities that can boost him potentially to getting a late 1st...potentially.
So no, it's not a made-up valuation; take it down a notch guy.
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Armchair-GM
ven. à 16 h 1
Sujet:
Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Terrifiedofeveryone</b></div><div>What do you base Kakko being worth a 2nd on? If the Rangers wanted to make a move to improve the team, why wouldn’t they just trade Kakko for an NHL player instead of making a trade that would necessitate another move?</div></div>
Easy, his results after 5 seasons puts him at a 2nd and I highly doubt there's even 2/3rds of the league that would pay a 2nd for him at this point and probably only 1 to 3 teams that would give up a 1st rounder. I could be wrong and you right but willing to bet I'm not far off.
Barring that, if the Hawks agree to slightly overpay versus going rate, Rangers do this all day if that 1st is more valuable then the Rangers can get for Kaapo in trade value for another player. Trades are a part of a larger strategy often times and aren't just in isolation. If the Rangers, assuming they test Kaapo's market to acquire another player, only has the value of a 2nd and one team (Hawks) offer a late 1st, they do it. Now they have more value to work with to get a player to help them now.
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Hawks should take a gamble on Kaapo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>What Kakko is worth vs What it’ll take to pry him away from the Rangers are two completely different conversations….for some reason people on this site have a hard time understand
The rangers do NOT need picks. They need a top 6 RW of all things. So if that’s not what you’re offering then the trade dies</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>I never said the trade for be Kakko for a top 6 winger, 1 for 1….but that’s the only thing the rangers are missing
That 1st could easily be worse than Kakko, since it’ll be closer to a 2nd round pick lol
Dach hasn’t even proved he’s worth the risk yet</div></div>
Kaapo is probably worth a 2nd to some rebuilding teams if Rangers tried to move him for a winger, his value as part of a trade will likely equal a 2nd. Hawks slightly overpay to take a flier on him given they are rebuilding....nobody on the Hawks roster is a top 6 player on a contending team outside of Bedard obviously so they can take risk. Rangers get a late 1st they can leverage, which again arguably has more value than Kaapo in a trade, to land an asset to help them now. That was my intent. Trades sometimes are not contemplated in isolation and are part of a larger plan.
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