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Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 15 h 33
Sujet: We have a real dead cap problem
The only one I really can agree with here is Campbell. Nurse is a top pairing defenseman and has been for years, he's overpaid but by no more than $1.5 - 2M. And that's management's fault for bridging and bridging him, then trading for Keith at full cap hit giving Chicago enough cap space to sign the Jones deal.

Ceci is a top-4 RHD making just $3.25M, that's a pretty efficient deal. Kulak has been worth his contract, as has Kane.

I really don't understand the hate on Kane, he scored at a 30+ goal rate for 7 years in a row, sustained a horrific wrist injury and came back and scored at a 25 goal pace. All while bringing a unique blend of swagger, physicality and truculence. If Edmonton traded him, we'd immediately be looking for that player type again. He's not immovable, but he's certainly not a cap dump.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 15 h 23
Sujet: We have a real dead cap problem
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>I don't intend to break down the full case because this isn't the platform for that, but I firmly disagree with your valuation of Nurse. Overpaid? Absolutely. Overpaid by 4mil? Most definitely not. I'd happily have him on the team at a contract of up to 7.5mil.

It's worth keeping in mind that everything he's done has been with one inoptimal partner after another- from Bear to Barrie to Ceci- while playing primary shutdown minutes. Get him a proper partner that can skate well (not Barrie or Ceci), make a consistent pass (not Ceci), and doesn't frequently get beaten in hard areas (not Bear or Barrie) and a good deal of the weaknesses we perceive as "Nurse's problems" would largely disappear. I feel quite strongly that Alexandre Carrier would be a great target for that.</div></div>
One of the most strident criticisms of Nurse is that he plays 2-on-1's poorly.

I mean, if you're defending a 2-on-1, someone <em>else</em> already made a critical error, right?
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 12 h 7
Sujet: Time to Make It Happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CertifiedAverage</b></div><div>Sure, but I don't see him doing it this summer. If he doesn't want to re-sign in 2025, it doesn't really make a difference to him if he's traded (he has full control over where and if he is traded) or if he goes to UFA. Either way, if he wants out, I think Columbus should go after him. I do question whether the price paid here is worth it though. As I said, though, I expect him to re-sign in Edmonton.</div></div>
As do I.

But Oilers management will know this summer if he's willing to re-sign or not, because he's eligible to re-sign as of July 1st and they definitely will be having conversations. So if he intends to go elsewhere they will know 12 months in advance.

I'm pretty sure if Draisaitl goes, McDavid will too. If Draisaitl re-signs, so will Connor. They're tight.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 12 h 1
Sujet: Time to Make It Happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>The math doesn’t work out. Edm while talented has not been able to win in the playoffs. The depth is not there. Teams that win cups have depth. Edm doesn’t have it. And you think McDavid is only getting a 2 mil raise?? Get real. This guy knows his value and teams will be lining up to sign him. Same thing for Draisaitl. The Canadian dollar is a huge issue here. He is likely signing his last big contract. He will want to make his money considering he signed at a steal for Edm on this last contract.</div></div>
First, I used your numbers - you were the one that suggested a $2.5M raise for both McDavid and Draisaitl. Here: <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>... pay Draisaitl around 11+ mil and give a hefty increase to McDavid, who on the open market, could garner at least 15 to 16 mil per? </div></div>
Second, all NHL contracts are paid in US dollars, so the Canadian dollar is not any issue whatsoever.

Third, Draisaitl didn't sign "at a steal", he got paid MORE than his closest comp (Pastrnak) at the time. It only appears to be a steal because he developed into the second best player in the world after he signed that deal.

Fourth, McDavid took less money on his last contract as a favor to the team. I fully expect him to take less than he would get on the open market again.

Fifth, the Oilers have won in the playoffs, they went to the division finals last year and the Conference finals the year before, both times losing only to the eventual Stanley Cup champions. The Knights openly said last year that the Oilers were their toughest opponent. And they only beat them by illegally axe chopping Draisaitl's arm.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 9 h 41
Sujet: Time to Make It Happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>There is no money in Edm. That is clear. McDavid comes up for contract the summer after that. Do you really think Edm can pay Draisaitl around 11+ mil and give a hefty increase to McDavid, who on the open market, could garner at least 15 to 16 mil per? Not going to happen. RNH has a NMC so they can’t move him either. They are already lacking on defense and goaltending. They can’t justify spending more to retain Draisaitl while ignoring the real problems or otherwise McDavid will walk.</div></div>

Draisaitl at $11M is only a $2.5M raise - pretty easy to find that kind of money. Likewise McDavid at $15M: it's only a $2.5M raise. So you're saying they won't be able to afford an additional $5M cap hits over the next 2 years? Clearly <strong>you</strong> haven't done the math.

And while defense and goaltending aren't perfect they aren't lacking. Since the coaching change Novermber 12th the Oilers have allowed the 5th fewest shots against and the 5th fewest goals against in the league. Their defense and goaltending are massively underrated.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 9 h 33
Sujet: Time to Make It Happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>Edm fans need to comprehend that they will not be able to keep Draisaitl long term. The math is not there. McDavid is up for contract in two years and they can’t even re-sign him until after the sign Draisaitl. By going into next season with Draisaitl you run the risk of losing him for nothing and his trade value goes down. Edm is almost in the 75% range of trade him and we haven’t even seen the playoffs yet. That trade for him is insane value. McDavid could be set up with a deep team for years from this deal. I am sorry but Edm absolutely does not turn that down…</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>There is no money in Edm. That is clear. McDavid comes up for contract the summer after that. Do you really think Edm can pay Draisaitl around 11+ mil and give a hefty increase to McDavid, who on the open market, could garner at least 15 to 16 mil per? Not going to happen. RNH has a NMC so they can’t move him either. They are already lacking on defense and goaltending. They can’t justify spending more to retain Draisaitl while ignoring the real problems or otherwise McDavid will walk.</div></div>

This is all BS. Edmonton has the cap space to re-sign both, considering Draisaitl's new contract won't kick in until the 25-26 season and McDavid's until the 26-27 season.

They have money coming off the books every summer and the cap appears to be rising every year. And if that's not enough, they would trade any other player to make room for Draisaitl and McDavid before trading either Draisaitl or McDavid.

The ONLY scenario either gets traded is if he doesn't want to sign in Edmonton. Then he'll be traded with 1 year left on his deal to a team he's willing to sign with.