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Forum: Armchair-GM25 déc. 2022 à 21 h 47
Sujet: Sabres get younger Casey and Victor moved at TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>I wouldn't move olofsson for less than a first. Move mittelstadt for whatever, I don't expect a ton of interest for him. Mittelstadt can probably give you 3rd line production without the defensive aptitude or any real physical game. Maybe somebody can use him as a 2nd line winger, but I feel like that team isn't competing for much and isn't overpaying to get him.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Finn2016</b></div><div>Olofsson and Casey need new homes. Maybe in sweeteners. Doubt victor gets us 1st but 2nd</div></div> Since this would be next years TDL and both Casey and Victor would be on the final months of their contracts.
It would be hard for me to believe that a playoff team who needs a LHF would not give up a first for Olofsson as it would be later in the round.
Casey on the other hand does not score enough to be a 2nd line center and does not play a physical game to be a third line center.
Some team may take a chance on him, a second would be his ceiling.
Forum: Armchair-GM22 déc. 2022 à 15 h 24
Sujet: Bolster 3rd and add vets on D
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nhldeadline2</b></div><div>I may have missed/messed up some of the math on the cap space, so let me know. Going to make '23-24 and '24-25 posts with these same deals to see if it checks out on paper</div></div> First of all, you laid out the cap projection perfectly and in an easy to understand manner.
Second, it has been three years since the Sabres traded a draft pick for a player. They may start if they think another piece to the puzzle to win the cup, but not to add a player for 20 regular season games.
Third the only player I would add from your list of trades would be Schenn, but I would not trade Jokiharju.
I do not notice him in a game to assess if he is any good, is the best comment about Henri. IMO that makes him a very steady if unspectacular defenseman.
Add a solid RHD physical defenseman, let's keep the picks to throw darts at possible RHD.
We have too many hole to fill, to be a cup contender.
Adding players who will walk at the end of the season for draft picks does not make any sense at the present time.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fjordy</b></div><div>I don't know why we need so many veterans. Add one defenseman and one forward. I am satisfied with Jost and Krebs like ours 3C/4C.</div></div> Completely agree.
<strong>Jost</strong> is this years Curtis Lazar only better.
Picking up young former first round picks either as a UFA or waiver wire is a smart move IMO.
<strong>Krebs</strong> seems to play his best hockey with Girgensons and Okposo.
They are excellent forecheckers, keeping the puck out of the defensive zone and frustrating the other team
Forum: Armchair-GM21 déc. 2022 à 9 h 50
Sujet: New defencemen and Nearly new third line feedback appreciated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Interesting <strong>yes it is, that third line could put up 60 goals</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewPawlack</b></div><div>i think chicago will want more than that for murphy, and since domi is there, maybe make one of those 2nds a 1st <strong> it is unlikely Buffalo would move the 2023 first. The Flyer 2nd should be really close to a first, so there are other options available, Buffalo could replace the Vegas second with Buffalo's 2023 2nd, or add a third round pick from the 2024 draft or add a better prospect or roster player. If Buffalo had to change the 2023 Flyer with the Sabres first round 2024 pick, Buffalo may also be amenable.</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>thewookie1</b></div><div>Our 1st even protected ain’t going anywhwre <strong>I agree.</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>I would do that Detroit trade. <strong>The Detroit pick could be only a few rounds after the Vegas pick, it could be nearly a second.</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Still don't see why we are giving a pick in the Florida trade for Duclair. They are gonna have to move him for Cap reasons once he is activated from the Achilles injury and especially if we are retaining on Jost. <strong>You are correct, I copied the trade that was proposed. Maybe they take an AHL player who has NHL experience instead of Jost. Brett Murray may fit into the Panther offensive style well. Buffalo could then keep Jost.</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chapee44</b></div><div>I really don't want to move Jost. He has said repeatedly how much he loves it here and that he has found himself in his role on the team. As a bottom 6 player who's good on the PK with some offensive upside that's all I coukd ever want. <strong>He has certainly responded well to the Granato system. The way he stole the puck from Makar to set up a goal is a perfect example of his performance.</strong></div></div>

<a href="/users/Hawksguy81" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Hawksguy81</a> you are correct.
I copied the trade which only received one comment from a Hawk ACGM.

If Buffalo could make those trade, they would have a much better chance of reaching the playoffs.
Upgrade the third line and RHD, just what the team needs.
Jost could be taken out of the Florida trade by substituting a different roster player or prospect.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 déc. 2022 à 20 h 48
Sujet: Add lw
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Tuch had 3 PP points and 0 even strength points, Thompson had 1 5v5 goal and 4 PP points, Mittlestadt had 1 5v5 assist 0 power play points. On Thompson's 5v5 goal Quinn was on the ice, not Tuch. As I said: <img class="for_img" src="https://i.postimg.cc/P5pd0YRj/Mittlestadt-sucks.jpg" alt="Mittlestadt-sucks.jpg">
So please explain how it is false? Thompson and Tuch we're +1 but Mittlestadt Thompson Tuch wasn't. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask them or just actually look at the data before saying someone else is wrong because they don't immediately bow to your opinion and actually challenge you</div></div> https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202212150COL.html
16 Tage Thompson 1 1 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 50.0 27 22:50
17 Alex Tuch 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 20.0 26 21:16
https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202212130BUF.html
17 Tage Thompson 2 1 3 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 1 0 5 40.0 20 19:29
18 Alex Tuch 1 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 4 25.0 20 19:58
https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202212100PIT.html
17 Tage Thompson 0 0 0 -1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0.0 24 20:05
18 Alex Tuch 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.0 25 20:06

You can add them up.

<strong>No one is saying Mittelstadt is a top line player.
he is not part of the future.
those are for the season.
You will never give up.</strong>
Forum: Armchair-GM19 déc. 2022 à 17 h 36
Sujet: Add lw
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fjordy</b></div><div>When Skinner played there, they scored even more. Thompson is very good, you can put any pylon on this line and it will still produce. Mittelstadt and Olofsson are probably our two worst forwards, even Krebs has been looking better lately. I would get rid of Mitts and Olofsson at TDL or in summer.</div></div> I was not making a case that Mittelstadt is any good, only that Shibbal had his facts wrong.
I added to my post, but you quoted it before I could make my edit.
Skinner-Thompso-Tuch could be the best line in the NHL.
Mittelstadt is not a top line player.

EDIT more than 5 goals in three games from Thompson and Tuch?
Neither Olofsson not Mittelstadt have a future on this team.
No doubt, ONLY that Shibbal had his facts wrong.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 déc. 2022 à 19 h 46
Sujet: Sabre add toughness and another old GK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Pretty awful trade for buffalo</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Foegele isn't good and doesn't help the sabres, stop with this. Hitting doesn't matter when the rest of his game doesn't help the sabres. Mike Smith won't pass his physical. Pool party has very little value.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Again Buffalo Declines. One thing to hit and not be good and another to be hard to play against. Rather try to use those assets in other areas and fill spots with Kulich and Rousek who are tough to play against and can bring some offense.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>imagine retaining $4.75M over the next 2 season on a multiple time 20-goal scorer so you can get a guy who hits more, a reclamation project, and a goalie that's ten minutes from retiring.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Czu8iks</b></div><div>That's a no for Sabres. Beside, what's the point adding Bjork to "balance the trade", when you can retain less.</div></div>

LOL, I forgot the add the draft picks.
Off course none of you would like this trade.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 déc. 2022 à 15 h 47
Forum: Armchair-GM15 déc. 2022 à 15 h 43
Sujet: Shuffling the deck at the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>No interest for me to move Olofsson this season, maybe next year. Mitts I'd love to deal away for a RHD or just sit him in the press box. No interest in acquiring bottom 6 wingers, which is what Pul and Foegele are. Yes I'd like us to be more physical, but I'd want players that contribute on both ends of the ice (guys like Marcus Foligno, Miles Wood, Will Carrier etc.). I'd just wait until the offseason and try to sign or trade for a winger or two like that.</div></div> Well here are the life time stats of Foligno, Carrier and Foegele, prorated over 82 games, not necessarily in that order:
14 goals, 13 assists, 27 pts
11 goals, 10 assists, 21 pts
13 goals, 17 assists, 30 pts
Can you guess the order?
Who is Foligno, Carrier or Foegele?
Well Foligno has most assists, Foegele has most goals, Carrier last in both.
Foligno, Carrier and Foegele hits are 13.5, 12.2, 9.6 hits/60 this year respectively.
So please tell me again why you do not want Foegele?
TBH, you just talked yourself into liking this trade, as Foegele does exactly what you want score goals and hits.
<strong>EDIT</strong>
Maybe it it better to trade Olofsson now to get a first round in a strong draft, but I get your point.
With 6 picks in the first two rounds, Karmanos should be able to do some magical deals and Jeramiah Crowe draft deftly.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 déc. 2022 à 13 h 15
Sujet: Sabre add toughness and another old GK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Pretty awful trade for buffalo</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Foegele isn't good and doesn't help the sabres, stop with this. Hitting doesn't matter when the rest of his game doesn't help the sabres. Mike Smith won't pass his physical. Pool party has very little value.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Again Buffalo Declines. One thing to hit and not be good and another to be hard to play against. Rather try to use those assets in other areas and fill spots with Kulich and Rousek who are tough to play against and can bring some offense.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>imagine retaining $4.75M over the next 2 season on a multiple time 20-goal scorer so you can get a guy who hits more, a reclamation project, and a goalie that's ten minutes from retiring.</div></div> Thank you for your valuable input.
Let's look at the trade differently.
The Olofsson retention keeps the caps essential equal for this year and next.
Buffalo is getting a first and a second for "a multiple time 20-goal scorer" and a third line center.

Getting "a guy who hits more, a reclamation project, and a goalie" a year younger than Anderson is filling in pieces to the line up until the next wave of prospects are ready to take the ice.
The Sabres need to cut down on the goals against, this trade moves the two worse +/- forwards and replaces them with a defensive minded Puljujarvi and a hard hitting third line forward.
Maybe having a third and fourth line that can keep the puck out the net will not help the won loss record, but the two picks should help in the future.
Smith is probably "ten minutes from retiring" because the Oiler's did not want him to pass the physical. He actually played very well last year posting a 2.81 GAA 16 wins 9 losses 2 OTL and a 0.915 SV%. Better than Anderson last year.
Having two 40 yo GK only hurts when the team plays 3 games in 4 nights, then a GK only gets two days of rest, playing every other night they would get 3 days to recover.

Well that is my take, Olofsson and Mittelstadt <strong>WILL BE </strong>replaced by prospects next year or the year after.
Getting a first and a second in a deep draft would be good asset management.
While Casey's and Victor's replacements do not have the same offensive skills. they may be more helpful to the Sabres winning more games.

Regardless this is all for fun and none of this will ever happen
Forum: Armchair-GM15 déc. 2022 à 11 h 45
Sujet: Shuffling the deck at the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Gonna be interesting next year. Some of the youngins are developing quicker than expected I think. The Sabres could really come out next year and roll 4 lines of speed and forecheck. Guess it depends on which way they want to go.</div></div> To be honest Kulich is doing really well.
18 yo are supposed to be over powered by 26 yo players yet he is doing very well in Rochester.
If Rosen can bulk up a bit more and Savoie jump from Juniors to the NHL it is obvious that Casey and Victor are not needed at all.
They tie up Cozens and Dahlin for the next 8 years, sign an couple of UFA RHD it could be interesting.
BTW, I am posting the above trade from the the Sabres POV, let's see what the Oiler fans think of it.

EDIT:
The Penguins certainly showed the Sabres how to play hockey.
Let's hope Buffalo does well on this road trip.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 déc. 2022 à 11 h 26
Sujet: Shuffling the deck at the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Nice thought out response. Mitts and Olofsson are being moved to open spots for are younger players Rousek Kulich Savoie Rosen. I would think we would use those assets on D help instead of more forwards. Picks would be nice but late in the round, which could be intriguing to the Sabres cause of where the D fall in the draft next year, a weak spot in are Organization atleast RD. Understand what you are saying, but IMO not what Buffalo would be looking at.</div></div> Thank you for your comment.
Yes of course the Sabres will have Kulich, Savoie, and more next year in the line up.
The trade was changed as you can see now.
I was thinking this trade would be made soon to try to salvage this season.
Smith contract expires at the end of the season, while Foegele, could take Girgensons spot in the line up next year and Puljujärvi could replace Hinostroza.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 déc. 2022 à 11 h 6
Sujet: Shuffling the deck at the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Ah yes, the ole 8 player trade</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Sabres have 0 reason to do that. If theyre moving a player its to solidify the roster. It will also cost a lot more than a 1st to dump 12 million and have Olofsson coming back</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>You want us to eat 12 mil of cap in useless or injured players AND ask for a 25-30 goal scorer and a 3rd line center on a cheap deal? Add value to the trade by dropping Foegele and Bjork and give us Savoie</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>This is a good one</div></div> Thank you for your input.
Interesting not a single comment from the Oiler ACGM's.
Nearly every Sabre ACGM's want to to add grit, defensive forwards while moving away from Mittelstadt, and Olofsson
Foegele, would be the top hitter among all Sabre forwards with 9.6 and 9.7 hits per min respectively.
In comparison Girgensons and Okposo are Buffalos top hitters at 5.0 and 4.4 hits/min.

Puljujärvi is noted as a defensive forward along with Foegele have positive 50.4 CF%.

Mike Smith failed the Oiler physical to start the year, I think he could pass the Sabre physical and join Anderson as the oldest GK pair ever in the NHL

Klefbom is not needed other than to balance the cap and rosters.
So take him and Fitzgerald out of the trade.

Buffalo moves three players who nearly every Sabre ACGM would like to move, get two more good picks while adding toughness and a possible GK.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 mai 2022 à 11 h 15
Sujet: mmmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Buffalove</b></div><div>I didn’t say i expected to get that
I said that’s what it would take to have a chance of getting Dahlin
Reading is good dude</div></div><strong>"If u wanna make an offer that has a chance of being <em>considered </em>for Dahlin, it’s gonna have to be something more like: Hughes, Pettersson &amp; Garland/Hoglander"</strong>
This is exactly what you said, how would any one read other than this is the minimum offer <strong>"that has a chance of being <em>considered </em>"</strong>
Maybe YOU should read your own post, because those are your words, not mine!
Your counter offer is silly and now you are trying to get me to believe that what you wrote is NOT what you meant!
"I am not now nor will ever be <strong>YOUR DUDE</strong>!
Forum: Armchair-GM4 janv. 2022 à 20 h 42
Sujet: Yamomoto and Barrie Who says no and why
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>fine we don't need to trade for Olofsson the guy is the same as Barrie, he only ever produces on the pp. If they wanted him Holland could just trade a 4th or 5th for Pysyk <strong>From other posts, Oiler fans were trading Barrie for a second and Yamamoto and a second for Olofsson.
I combined the two thoughts and added Pysyk to Edmonton.
Sort of Barrie = Second and Yamamoto + second = Olofsson,
combine the two Barrie + Yamamoto + second = Olofsson + second.
Drop the two seconds and add Pysyk to consider the value of the two seconds.
The result is this trade.
BTW Olofsson only has 1 PPG this year yet is on pace to another good season.
I appreciate your comments.</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Scomen</b></div><div>Sabres would be willing to trade Olofsson for a first rounder and a centre. Sabres have plenty of depth on the wings. <strong>Many Buffalo ACGM were OK trading Olofsson for a RHD,</strong></div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GM4 janv. 2022 à 12 h 44
Sujet: Continuation of Wishful Thinking
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KDow88</b></div><div>It's not a bad offer, I just don't see Edmonton dealing their 1st unless they are getting a goalie, and dealing Koskinen in the process.. And I really don't think they'll do Barrie dirty like that and send him to a rebuild in Buffalo when he kind of took a discount to stay in Edmonton, nothing against Buffalo, they look significantly better than last year, but just don't see them as a playoff team this next, or the year after yet..</div></div> I am not the Buffalo Sabres GM (I am sure that is good thing), Let's make it Olofsson, Pysyk, and Hagg for Yamamoto, Barrie and 2022 2nd.
I know nearly all Buffalo ACGM are in love with Olofsson, but the Sabres have many options at LW but ONLY Tuch at RW and only Jokiharju at RHD.
As I said most Sabres fan hated the Barrie and Yamamoto trade.
Most Sabre fans would accept Olofsson being traded for a RHD, I do not know if they would want Barrie.
TBH with you, at the end of the day, if the second was not included, Buffalo would still be a better team with Yamamoto and Barrie, please do not tell any of the other Sabre ACGM's I said that.
Finally, you are correct Buffalo is moving in the right direction so Barrie could be part of that movement.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 janv. 2022 à 10 h 8
Sujet: Trouba waives his NTC
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabresforlife</b></div><div>I'd be interested...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>I can’t see us dishing Trouba with how well he’s playing...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NLidstrom</b></div><div>Trouba is having a great season...Not $8M good, but much better than people were expecting...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>delneggs</b></div><div>Just nonsense</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Trouba waives for Buffalo right after the Rangers agree to pay a first and second to send him away...</div></div> Thank you all for your comments.
Of course Trouba would never waive to go to Buffalo, this site is just a toned down fantasy league in which we <strong>pretend </strong>to know what we are doing.
Since the replies range from <a href="/users/delneggs" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@delneggs</a> "Pure nonsense. Trouba could be the Rangers next captain." to <a href="/users/Sabresforlife" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Sabresforlife</a> "I'd be interested" to <a href="/users/OldNYIfan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@OldNYIfan</a> "right after the Rangers agree to pay a first and second to send him away"
Sort of Goldilocks, not nearly enough for Trouba to just right to way over pay.
Since I posted this I thought it was in the middle and maybe the Sabres would add a little
Trouba is only 17 months older than Olofsson their vintages are about the same.
I thought Olofsson was worth a little more than a first, while the Rangers would add a LW and save on the cap.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 nov. 2021 à 15 h 55
Sujet: What Bergevin should have done 2021-Sep-04
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ColonelX</b></div><div>You'll get use to it, people are very shortsighted here and always think everyone else is in the wrongdoing. Flashnews; Nobody knows more than one another here, we're just wankers pretending to be important.</div></div> I agree.
I try to listen to other ideas to help me to understand teams needs and value of players.
As I said, at the time, I felt Bergevin may try harder to get Eichel, instead he opted for the cheap alternative.
Today, Caufield, MTL 2022 first, CAR 2022 first, Drouin, Poehling, Tuch and Byron may not appear to be too much.
I think Buffalo would have said yes to that offer, but who knows as you corrected pointed out.
Most important, if Bergevin had over paid for Eichel, Jake would be in the NHL next month.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 nov. 2021 à 13 h 54
Sujet: What Bergevin should have done 2021-Sep-04
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>You fail to understand a very basic concept...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vr1995</b></div><div>why would buffalo want an AHL player?</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>That deal is much worse for Buffalo compared to the Vegas one...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DirtyDangle</b></div><div>why stop there. go all the way back to the off-seaon.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Sooooo nothing, since Buffalo would had refuse that offer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ColonelX</b></div><div>Yeah I guess 7 points in 11 games is semi cap dump.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>No center in the trade so BUF would have nixed that... <strong>I think you are correct, but right now with Mittelstadt, Cozens, Thompson and Quinn (I think the Sabres are trying him as center as well), the Sabres would have wanted more than this offer not necessarily a center. You are the only one who offered constructive comment regarding the trade. As you can see some even decided to start with an insult, LOL!</strong></div></div> Thanks for your comments.
You are all correct that the offer from Vegas is better than this one.
Remember this post was presuming Bergevin and Buffalo were dealing in September, not 10 games into the season.
So put yourself into a time machine consider what could have been offered!
So the purpose of the post was to demonstrate that Dvorak was the wrong center to add and MTL had the assets to make the trade.
I was hoping that most responders would offer suggestions rather than just a categorical no.
I think during the offseason most Sabre fans would have wanted Caufield over Krebs as Cole had just completed and excellent playoff.
Tuch is certainly the best player as he wants to play in Buffalo.
On the other hand trading Suzuki for Jack would not have made any sense for the Canadians, who would have played center for MTL for the first two months?

So the answers I was hoping to receive were centered more on what else needed to be offered.