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Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. 2023 à 15 h 57
Sujet: Lets go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Camper27</b></div><div>I've been reading the discussions with Windjammer.

Well, moving Pionk is definitely the wrong move right now (rather than get into a back and forth, lets just leave it), but he's still required on the point, 2nd pwr play group and the pairing with Dillon.

Overall, I'm concerned with the size of the Jets D and the passion for Heinola. If anyone should be moved its Heinola immediately as a trade asset. Soon after that, adding short term help as in one (1) R side D-men with size as in (Van's- Scheen, St. Louis's -Bortuzzo or Islanders -Mayfield) and keeping DeMelo and Pionk and moving Schmidlt for a late pick so be a consideration. Longer term, we need to add some size starting with the right side, either from the prospect pool or making that trade, when the fit is there.</div></div>

So as soon as someone says jets need more size on the backend I stop listening. Watch the games when jets have to defend they are fine at first. They break cycles and get the puck back... the problem is they can't move the puck under pressure and all the "big guys" aren't fixing that issue. Jets issue is always on the repressure teams apply after they fail to move the puck up ice.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. 2023 à 10 h 55
Sujet: Lets go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yeah, you can look at his work and call him a top 4 defenseman objectively. It just sounds like you have a dislike for him for whatever reason and don't want to give him the credit for where he actually rates as an NHL defenseman.

The Morrissey thing isn't a comparison of what they had accomplished, it's a comparison of how fans think. The only ones I've heard campaigning to move Pionk are the same overreactionary ones that wanted to trade Morrissey for the last two years after every down game he had.

I get it, the Jets haven't looked as good the past couple weeks, let's panic, make someone the goat and make a bad trade.

Even if you want to stick with your evalution, it makes no sense to give that player away for nothing and not replace him. How does downgrading the defense make the team better?</div></div>

Pionk is hurting the jets right now. He isn't a break even player right now he's a net negative and I'm not giving him away I'm getting 2 picks and his cap space which is almost 6mil. Not having Pionk in the lineup right now helps the jets.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 janv. 2023 à 10 h 33
Sujet: Lets go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yeah, I know all the people that think Pionk isn't a top 4 defenseman are the same ones that thought Morrissey was awful and were trying to trade him for the past two years for any plug they could think of and the same ones that wanted to give Scheifele away for nothing this year.

I can understand that not everyone is going to like every player, but you need to be objective as to the player's actual skill level.</div></div>

again objectively he has 6 seasons in the NHL and has performed like a top 4 dmen once... in a shortened season only playing the Canadian teams. Morrissey has been in the nhl for 7 years and had one meh season and one bad season but he also had 3 good seasons before his slip. These are not the same situations. SO when you use the word objectively I'm not sure how you look at Pionk's body of work and go.. Yup definitely a top 4 dmen.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 janv. 2023 à 11 h 23
Sujet: To montreal fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>You honestly think that Dubois gets a package anywhere close to that from ANY team? A recent 3rd OA pick, a top performing prospect at the WJC and what may be a top-10 pick? Even if there wasn't a lot of noise around Dubois wanting to be in Montreal?

Good luck with that. That's a far heftier price than even a young established 40 goal scorer with more team control got. Its comparable to what Eichel got.



I think you mean the fanbase that's <strong>citing insiders</strong> saying that Edmundson could/should get a first.</div></div>

First when Dach was drafted means nothing. We have years of data to trump draft spot... but if using where a player was drafted than that really hurts Roy's value he was drafted in the 5th round. It works both ways or no way. Dubois if traded at the deadline will be the youngest and best center traded at the deadline maybe ever... Players like ladd, copp, hayes, Stastny all got 1st round picks and multiple other pieces in deadline trades. To think Dubois won't get the jets at least a 1st, good prospect and a 3rd piece is kind of laughable.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 janv. 2023 à 11 h 13
Forum: Armchair-GM16 déc. 2022 à 13 h 48
Sujet: Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>If Jets really don't want to part w/ their 1st rounder, Hawks would probably be more open to accepting the two picks in your original proposal if Harkins and Vasy were replaced w/ a young F prospect w/ some top 6 upside - like a Chinokov or someone like that. Hawks really need to add some young F depth.</div></div>

Hawks fans are going to be very disappointed in a toews trade if it happens. One he is old his not worth what you think and to top that off he has a full move and will likely one have 1 maybe 2 places he will waive it for means hawks have no ****ing leverage... See flyers and Giroux who went for less than his value about he would only waive his NTC for 2 teams. Now maybe the hawks just won't move him than but if he's moved it will be for less than his value.
Forum: Fauteuil - DG8 nov. 2022 à 15 h 21
Sujet: Massive line
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LIRIK</b></div><div>1st was conditionnal on the Rangers winning at least 2 playoffs rounds. Could easily been a 2nd if Rangers lost in the first 2 rounds. Jets were lucky to get a 1st.

Also, you qualifying Morgan Barron as a solid prospect is ridiculous. He was, and still is, at best a B prospect.

Justin Barron is a top prospect. Him and a 1st is the best Winnipeg is gonna get for Dubois.</div></div>

where did this Justin Barron is a top prospect come from? His amazing AHL production that doesn't exist? Oh how about that he made the canadians out of camp on one of the weaker dcores in the nhl wait he didn't do that either. Morgan has been a solid middle 6 forward for the jets since the trade with solid underlying numbers as well.
Forum: Simulateur de Transactions8 nov. 2022 à 15 h 12
Sujet: Jets fans need your honest opinion Thank You
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>That's probably more than they'll get from anyone else since everyone knows PLD fully intends to test free agency next summer and most figure he'll wind up signing with Montreal anyhow. As for Montreal they have don't need to trade very much for him if they're going sign him as a UFA anyhow and no incentive to trade for him at all if they don't intend to sign him.

He'll probably wind up going to a top contender as a deadline rental with 50% retention for something like a late 1st and a 2nd/3rd or B+ prospect. Then he'll resign wherever he wants to in the summer. If Montreal's offer is competitive chances are he'll sign there.

Yeah that sucks for Jets but it's the brutal truth. Why do you think you got him from Columbus so cheaply in the first place?</div></div>

So Andrew Copp was just traded last season as a pure rental for a 1st, 2nd and Barron. I don't get this talk that Dubois has no value. Hes better and under than Copp and even as a pure rental has very solid value.
Forum: Fauteuil - DG8 nov. 2022 à 9 h 50
Sujet: Massive line
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LIRIK</b></div><div>No matter what we offer for PLD, he'll always say it's not enough and they could get more at TDL.

He won't take any cap back, probably think he's getting two top prospects or two top 10 picks in value, something like that.

PLD is worth at best a good prospect and a late 1st, with cap coming back from any team. Can't wait for him to be proven wrong ONCE AGAIN.</div></div>

While windjammer is nuts on his ask you are very light on what you think dubois gets... Andrew Copp just got the jets a solid prospect a 1st and 2nd. But dubois won't get even that plus the jets will have to take on cap? Sure that makes sense. You clearly have no idea about the Jets GM... he isn't taking less for Dubois than he got for Copp... Its never happening.