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Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 5 h 5
Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 4 h 51
Sujet: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>You were actually provided a pretty good recourse, it seems as if you decided to ignore it?

<img class="for_img" src="https://soundofhockey.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Image-5-26-22-at-9.43-PM-980x701.jpg" alt="Image-5-26-22-at-9.43-PM-980x701.jpg">

Here is a hypothetical value chart based off each pick in this draft.
It's safe to assume that picks 10-20 aren't super far off in terms of value.

The article also states "The gap is most significant at the first overall pick and steadily decreases until the values converge at approximately the 35th pick. In other words, the data suggests that a team is likely to produce surplus player value if it trades down out of the first round–even if it makes just an “average” trade as indicated by the market."

It is counterintuitive for a team with the 16th overall pick to move multiple assets to move a few spots down closer to the 10 range.

You may edit this ACGM all you want, but you may also want to consider acknowledging when you may be wrong!</div></div>

The chart indicates that the Wings should easily be able to trade 2 firsts and 2 2nds for Fantilli. Sign me up!
Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 4 h 42
Sujet: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Oh boy -- this is a long winded argument huh?

I'm actually going to have to agree with everyone else in the thread, though. These trades are in the extreme favour of Detroit.

User AC14 provides a pretty good article that values each pick - since you were so worried about what the 10th overall pick would be worth.
It'd be wise to consider other opinions, rather than sticking to what you think is right!</div></div>

Yet another poster who either refuses or doesn't actually know what the #16, #20 and #48 are worth. So I guess I'll have to take a stab at it.

#10 &lt; #16 #20 #48
So... what then? #7 #8 #9 are almost identical value to #10. #5 or #6?
OK. So that must mean that #10 #17 and #40 must be worth even more, right? How much more? Certainly not #1 or #2. So #3? Are we all in agreement? Because I would do that trade all day long. Are we all in agreement? Because I can edit this ACGM as soon as we all agree. Let me know, thanks
Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 2 h 44
Sujet: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.

-- ill repost this as many times as you need to read it.</div></div>

you made a stupid comment, got called out for it, and now you're salty and apparently everyone else is bias.
yeah alright...
Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 2 h 26
Sujet: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.</div></div>

What would you move the 3 picks for?
Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 1 h 51
Sujet: Rebuild over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhilsWeiner</b></div><div>it's not about what the 10OA is worth.. you've somehow missed the point entirely.

it's about need for the picks. both nashville and st. louis aren't moving as many assets (in an already stacked class) as youve proposed just to move up a few spots? there's no need for either team to overpay for this.

even then, if detroit desperately wanted reinbacher, why would they move the 10OA just to not get him? you've essentially contradicted your entire point. you had nashville move up to 10OA... just to not take reinbacher? do you not think if nashville or st. louis had that pick they wouldnt take him? i don't get your point here.

TLDR; these trades suck. try again</div></div>

You didn't answer the question. You tell me what a fair value trade for #10 looks like.