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Cuvée de repêchage: 2020
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Publié: 9 juill. 2020 à 10 h 11
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9 juill. 2020 à 13 h 6
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Zero chance Raymond falls to 8, he will be 6th at worse. Perfetti will probably be available at 8 though, might go 7th if NJ prefers him over Holtz
9 juill. 2020 à 15 h 34
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Zero chance Raymond falls to 8, he will be 6th at worse. Perfetti will probably be available at 8 though, might go 7th if NJ prefers him over Holtz


Not saying he’s bad but there is a pretty strong chance Raymond goes 8 and a decent chance even after. He hasn’t done anything to put himself past perfetti/holtz/Rossi or even lundell. Rossi is a centre so he’ll probably go before as size isn’t a factor when they are both small. Perfetti is way more dynamic offensively as he is very smart, good stick handler and can score(not that the first two don’t apply to Raymond, but perfetti is smarter and can score.) perfetti is also playing in the ohl meaning more exposure and easier to understand his game and evaluate him as he’s playing 20 minutes a night. We know that 2 types of players ’fall’ in the drafts, those are small players and euros; he is both. As for holtz he is a very good sniper so I see at least one team taking him(probably Anaheim or New Jersey) drysdale is a d so he won’t be available at 8. Now for Raymond past 8, you have a very good 2-way centre in lundell who could easily be taken before Raymond as he is more nhl ready and a centre. You also have Sanderson who is a very good d and gms ‘overvalue’ d a lot. And you have askarov who could easily be taken in the top 8
9 juill. 2020 à 16 h 20
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Not saying he’s bad but there is a pretty strong chance Raymond goes 8 and a decent chance even after. He hasn’t done anything to put himself past perfetti/holtz/Rossi or even lundell. Rossi is a centre so he’ll probably go before as size isn’t a factor when they are both small. Perfetti is way more dynamic offensively as he is very smart, good stick handler and can score(not that the first two don’t apply to Raymond, but perfetti is smarter and can score.) perfetti is also playing in the ohl meaning more exposure and easier to understand his game and evaluate him as he’s playing 20 minutes a night. We know that 2 types of players ’fall’ in the drafts, those are small players and euros; he is both. As for holtz he is a very good sniper so I see at least one team taking him(probably Anaheim or New Jersey) drysdale is a d so he won’t be available at 8. Now for Raymond past 8, you have a very good 2-way centre in lundell who could easily be taken before Raymond as he is more nhl ready and a centre. You also have Sanderson who is a very good d and gms ‘overvalue’ d a lot. And you have askarov who could easily be taken in the top 8


How exactly did you come to this conclusion? Raymond is definitely a step above Holtz. the SHL is a mens league unlike the OHL and Raymond had to earn his minutes there. Raymond outperformed Byfield and only had 1 less point than Stutlze at the WJC this year too, where Perfetti didn't even make the team. Your numbers are purely based off of the neglecting the skill difference in the 2 leagues they play in. Raymond is been widely compared to Marner and Gaudreau in terms of skill and potential where Perfetti is compared to RNH.
Lets look at some recent examples of OHL players with similar numbers in their draft years:
Morgan Frost - 42g, 112p in 67 games, drafted 27th.
Nick Suzuki - 45g, 96p in 65 games, drafted 13th
Mitch Marner - 44g, 126p in 63 games, drafted 4th (big step up from Perfetti's numbers though)

Now for SHL and SuperElit players:
Rasmus Dahlin - 1g, 3p in 26 SHL games (same team too). 9g, 22p in 24 games in SE
William Nylander - 1g, 7p in 22 games in SHL.
9 juill. 2020 à 18 h 3
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How exactly did you come to this conclusion? Raymond is definitely a step above Holtz. the SHL is a mens league unlike the OHL and Raymond had to earn his minutes there. Raymond outperformed Byfield and only had 1 less point than Stutlze at the WJC this year too, where Perfetti didn't even make the team. Your numbers are purely based off of the neglecting the skill difference in the 2 leagues they play in. Raymond is been widely compared to Marner and Gaudreau in terms of skill and potential where Perfetti is compared to RNH.
Lets look at some recent examples of OHL players with similar numbers in their draft years:
Morgan Frost - 42g, 112p in 67 games, drafted 27th.
Nick Suzuki - 45g, 96p in 65 games, drafted 13th
Mitch Marner - 44g, 126p in 63 games, drafted 4th (big step up from Perfetti's numbers though)

Now for SHL and SuperElit players:
Rasmus Dahlin - 1g, 3p in 26 SHL games (same team too). 9g, 22p in 24 games in SE
William Nylander - 1g, 7p in 22 games in SHL.

It’s pretty simple to understand what I said.
Perfetti and Rossi put up big points in the ohl, where they get more exposure than someone in Sweden. Most think Raymond is better than holtz but holtz is a very good sniper and I’d guess nj or Ana take him. Holtz has outperformed him everywhere. Also using the u20 isn’t great as byfield was on a championship team and played 4 line same with perfetti who’d have big minutes on Sweden. I just think that what we know about drafts which is small players and euros fall Raymond has a pretty good chance at going 8. Not saying he will or should but if you think logically about exposure and improving their stock from last year, perfetti and Rossi have improved dramatically while Raymond hasn’t. Yes he’s in a men’s league but he didn’t do much and was worse than holtz. You said zero chance which isn’t a very good statement as I believe he has a disadvantage in the draft compared to Rossi and perfetti. Holtz is also 6’0 190, whether you agree with size or not it’s a determining factor for sure
9 juill. 2020 à 18 h 51
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It’s pretty simple to understand what I said.
Perfetti and Rossi put up big points in the ohl, where they get more exposure than someone in Sweden. Most think Raymond is better than holtz but holtz is a very good sniper and I’d guess nj or Ana take him. Holtz has outperformed him everywhere. Also using the u20 isn’t great as byfield was on a championship team and played 4 line same with perfetti who’d have big minutes on Sweden. I just think that what we know about drafts which is small players and euros fall Raymond has a pretty good chance at going 8. Not saying he will or should but if you think logically about exposure and improving their stock from last year, perfetti and Rossi have improved dramatically while Raymond hasn’t. Yes he’s in a men’s league but he didn’t do much and was worse than holtz. You said zero chance which isn’t a very good statement as I believe he has a disadvantage in the draft compared to Rossi and perfetti. Holtz is also 6’0 190, whether you agree with size or not it’s a determining factor for sure


Ok I can agree that the small players and Euros thing may make him fall but I think any team that gets him outside the top 6 is getting a massive steal
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