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50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)

28 févr. à 20 h 32
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So DAL gave

2nd RD pick, conditional 3rd RD pick & Artem Grushnikov for Tanev

Artem Grushnikov = 48 OA pick back in 2021

To bad we didnt have a 2nd lul

2nd + 3rd and Hirvonen could have probs got it done lul
28 févr. à 20 h 34
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Quoting: aadoyle
So decided to do a full comparison to put it to bed using stats size and everything

Adam Larsson

6'3 209 pounds

3 goals and 14 assists for 17 points

TOI/G: 23.07Mins

CF% = 51.8%
GF = 46
GA = 36
HDCF = 301
HDCA = 299
On Ice Save % = 93.58%

Alexandre Carrier

5'11 174pounds

4 goals and 13 assists for 17 points

TOI/G: 18.19Mins

CF% = 49.59%
GF = 34
GA = 34
HDCF = 136
HDCA = 131
On Ice Save % = 91.33%


And to top it all off. Go look at the Dcore that VGK used to win their cup and come back. Wish Carrier the best of luck but hes not the guy they should be targeting unless we want another bully victim


Where you getting your stats? I'm looking at hockey reference and they have Larsson at a 43.7% which matches the eye test. I haven't seen a single good shift from him this season and I've been to 3 Seattle games and watched at least 15.
28 févr. à 20 h 34
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Quoting: aadoyle
So DAL gave

2nd RD pick, conditional 3rd RD pick & Artem Grushnikov for Tanev

Artem Grushnikov = 48 OA pick back in 2021

To bad we didnt have a 2nd lul

2nd + 3rd and Hirvonen could have probs got it done lul


I wouldn't have made that trade. Tanev to Toronto made no sense, Im so glad we didnt get him
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28 févr. à 20 h 35
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Quoting: aadoyle
So DAL gave

2nd RD pick, conditional 3rd RD pick & Artem Grushnikov for Tanev

Artem Grushnikov = 48 OA pick back in 2021

To bad we didnt have a 2nd lul

2nd + 3rd and Hirvonen could have probs got it done lul


THEY. WOULDNT. TRADE. HIM. TO. US. FOR. THAT!
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28 févr. à 20 h 36
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THEY. WOULDNT. TRADE. HIM. TO. US. FOR. THAT!


Yea forgot Tree tax

Well anyways


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28 févr. à 20 h 37
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
I wouldn't have made that trade. Tanev to Toronto made no sense, Im so glad we didnt get him


It made all the sense in the world.

Tanev is basically the type of Dman that fits well with Morgan Rielly. After him its slim pickings unless they can pry Adam Larsson or Rasmus Andersson

Basically choices now are undersized or negative assets
28 févr. à 20 h 38
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Quoting: fangm
Where you getting your stats? I'm looking at hockey reference and they have Larsson at a 43.7% which matches the eye test. I haven't seen a single good shift from him this season and I've been to 3 Seattle games and watched at least 15.


You're looking at all situations - not good for measuring possession. Anyone who plays PK and not PP is going to get caved in and vice versa
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28 févr. à 20 h 39
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Where you getting your stats? I'm looking at hockey reference and they have Larsson at a 43.7% which matches the eye test. I haven't seen a single good shift from him this season and I've been to 3 Seattle games and watched at least 15.


Natural Statrick

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&playerid=8476457&sit=5v5&stype=2

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&playerid=8478851&sit=5v5&stype=2
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28 févr. à 20 h 42
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Surprised about the condition on the pick. Tbh a 2nd + 3rd + 4th + prospect seemed rich to me, but the 3rd only transfers if Dallas makes the SCF, in which case who cares about the pick.
28 févr. à 20 h 44
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Surprised about the condition on the pick. Tbh a 2nd + 3rd + 4th + prospect seemed rich to me, but the 3rd only transfers if Dallas makes the SCF, in which case who cares about the pick.


There isn't a 4th, it's a 2nd+Prospect and Condition 3rd right?
28 févr. à 20 h 46
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There isn't a 4th, it's a 2nd+Prospect and Condition 3rd right?


NJ retained in the deal so got a 4th
28 févr. à 20 h 48
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NJ retained in the deal so got a 4th


Missed that. Thanks!
28 févr. à 20 h 48
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There isn't a 4th, it's a 2nd+Prospect and Condition 3rd right?


There's a 4th going to the Devil's for retention. 3 team trade.
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28 févr. à 20 h 52
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Congrats to CGY

Rather than make a big deal with your former GM where you probs could get way more for Zadorov + Tanev you instead take market value for both and 0 attempt to fleece lul

They easily could have got more in a deal with their former GM lul
28 févr. à 21 h 0
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Why didn’t Tre outbid Dallas if that was all it took? Maybe Calgary is high on that prospect or just doesn’t want to trade with the leafs but still, seems like a missed opportunity.
28 févr. à 21 h 1
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Why didn’t Tre outbid Dallas if that was all it took? Maybe Calgary is high on that prospect or just doesn’t want to trade with the leafs but still, seems like a missed opportunity.


Post above highlights it

Or we can simply put I think they just petty lul
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28 févr. à 21 h 1
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Why didn’t Tre outbid Dallas if that was all it took? Maybe Calgary is high on that prospect or just doesn’t want to trade with the leafs but still, seems like a missed opportunity.


Because outbidding them would've been a bad idea.
28 févr. à 21 h 3
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Because outbidding them would've been a bad idea.


Why? Is Tanev secretly bad analytically or something?
28 févr. à 21 h 5
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Quoting: aadoyle
Congrats to CGY

Rather than make a big deal with your former GM where you probs could get way more for Zadorov + Tanev you instead take market value for both and 0 attempt to fleece lul

They easily could have got more in a deal with their former GM lul


A 1st for Zadorov+Tanev which is apparently what the offer was is better than a 2nd, 3rd, 5th, a mid prospect and conditional 3rd.

Toronto gave a better offer 4 months ago.

Also discounts that if Calgary had accepted Toronto's offer they are likely looking at a top 5-10 pick this year and not a 10-15 pick. That upgrade alone is worth more than everything they got.
28 févr. à 21 h 5
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Why? Is Tanev secretly bad analytically or something?


No its just age and paying for a rental
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28 févr. à 21 h 6
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Why? Is Tanev secretly bad analytically or something?


The only reason I can see it being bad is because apparently Tanev is asking $5Mx4 on his next deal and if you outbit that (trade a 1st) you likely want to resign him and that deal would be horrible he's already 34. I don't want a 38y old Tanev at $5M
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28 févr. à 21 h 6
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Modifié 28 févr. à 21 h 11
Quoting: fangm
A 1st for Zadorov+Tanev which is apparently what the offer was is better than a 2nd, 3rd, 5th, a mid prospect and conditional 3rd.

Toronto gave a better offer 4 months ago.

Also discounts that if Calgary had accepted Toronto's offer they are likely looking at a top 5-10 pick this year and not a 10-15 pick. That upgrade alone is worth more than everything they got.


There would have been more than just a 1st. That would have just been the starting point. Someone's would have had to go the other way to make the money work along with a prospect or two

Either way would have probs topped what both got from Van and DAL


I made it a while ago but would have probs been

1st + 2024 and 2026 3rd + Timmins and pick the B level prospect for Zadorov + Tanev (50% ret)

AKA better than what CGY got for both as a whole


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28 févr. à 21 h 6
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Why? Is Tanev secretly bad analytically or something?


Cause trading much more than that for a 34 year old rental with an extensive injury history when the acquiring team could best be described as "mid" on the season is ill advised.
28 févr. à 21 h 18
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THEY. WOULDNT. TRADE. HIM. TO. US. FOR. THAT!


Quoting: Saskleaf
Why didn’t Tre outbid Dallas if that was all it took? Maybe Calgary is high on that prospect or just doesn’t want to trade with the leafs but still, seems like a missed opportunity.


Quoting: Random2152
THEY. WOULDNT. TRADE. HIM. TO. US. FOR. THAT!

Quoting: Random2152
THEY. WOULDNT. TRADE. HIM. TO. US. FOR. THAT!

Quoting: Random2152
THEY. WOULDNT. TRADE. HIM. TO. US. FOR. THAT!
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28 févr. à 21 h 32
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I think this is honestly gonna be Brad's TDL. Once both come he will extend them and let Domi and Bertuzzi walk which is gonna suck as both these guys gonna rebound on new teams 100%

Rielly seems to do well with guys like Lybushkin and even though there be flaws we have seen it over and over and over.


Well looks like this might actually happen now that Tanev's gone
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