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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...

16 févr. à 19 h 35
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I’m convinced there is no lottery.

It’s an auction/arrangement behind closed doors.

It isn’t rigged, any teams owner can bid. From their perspective it is entirely fair. If it were rigged, a dozen of them would be impossibly resentful over Bedard.

They just give us peons ping pong balls.
16 févr. à 19 h 44
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Quoting: CantStopWontStop
I’m convinced there is no lottery.

It’s an auction behind closed doors.

It isn’t rigged, any teams owner can bid. From their perspective it is entirely fair. If it were rigged, a dozen of them would be impossibly resentful over Bedard.

They just give us peons ping pong balls.


If it was an auction, None of the small teams would ever win a lottery.
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16 févr. à 19 h 46
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
If it was an auction, None of the small teams would ever win a lottery.


Honestly I say to make things more interesting just have it the day of the draft. Where we see them on stage load all the names into the ball and then do the thing live

Would make day 1 longer yes but at the same time would be more interesting and lower the whole its rigged stuff as it makes it harder to do it
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16 févr. à 19 h 48
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Quoting: mondo
The most chaotic way to do the draft lottery is to have it evenly random. Every team that didn't make the playoffs has the same chance to pick 1-3.


That only incentivizes middling teams to remain middling teams. Bad teams want weighted odds (to win lotteries). Good teams want bad teams to tank (to take their players at selloffs).
17 févr. à 16 h 26
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Quoting: aadoyle
Honestly I say to make things more interesting just have it the day of the draft. Where we see them on stage load all the names into the ball and then do the thing live

Would make day 1 longer yes but at the same time would be more interesting and lower the whole its rigged stuff as it makes it harder to do it


The only people saying or believes the lottery is rigged are triggered fan boys who are under 12 years old
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17 févr. à 17 h 10
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Quoting: IconicHawk
The only people saying or believes the lottery is rigged are triggered fan boys who are under 12 years old


There's evidence before lotteries have been rigged and we really never get the full scope of what goes on. To avoid any doubt doing it live on stage in front of a group of prospects, their families, and teams management groups will help remove those doubts
17 févr. à 18 h 2
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Quoting: aadoyle
There's evidence before lotteries have been rigged and we really never get the full scope of what goes on. To avoid any doubt doing it live on stage in front of a group of prospects, their families, and teams management groups will help remove those doubts


Every NHL lottery team has reps at the draft, that’s good enough, if none of them have believed once, while being there live that it’s rigged, you’re good, no need to change it
17 févr. à 18 h 17
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I was looking at Stanley Cup champs odds on Bovada and I must ask on why is Florida at only +1000? I feel with the way they are playing they should at least half that (+500).
17 févr. à 18 h 39
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Does anyone know - if a team acquires somebody who has performance bonuses on their deal, and that player has already met the conditions of the bonuses, is the team who signed him on the hook for that money next year or the acquiring team?

i.e. If the Leafs traded for Connor Brown, who after 10 GP with the Oilers secured his performance bonus of $3.225m which is to be tacked onto next years cap, does that count against the Leafs cap or the Oilers?
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17 févr. à 18 h 39
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Quoting: Rolfadinho
I was looking at Stanley Cup champs odds on Bovada and I must ask on why is Florida at only +1000? I feel with the way they are playing they should at least half that (+500).


Just curious, what are the odds for the top 5 teams?
17 févr. à 18 h 47
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Does anyone know - if a team acquires somebody who has performance bonuses on their deal, and that player has already met the conditions of the bonuses, is the team who signed him on the hook for that money next year or the acquiring team?

i.e. If the Leafs traded for Connor Brown, who after 10 GP with the Oilers secured his performance bonus of $3.225m which is to be tacked onto next years cap, does that count against the Leafs cap or the Oilers?


It counts against the team the player was with when the bonus was earned.
As soon as Connor Brown played his 10th(?) game, his bonus was applied to Edmonton.
If he is traded to the Leafs, the bonus stays with Edmonton.
17 févr. à 18 h 51
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Quoting: ricochetii
It counts against the team the player was with when the bonus was earned.
As soon as Connor Brown played his 10th(?) game, his bonus was applied to Edmonton.
If he is traded to the Leafs, the bonus stays with Edmonton.


That's what I figured, it seems to make the most sense. You got a source for that?
17 févr. à 19 h 2
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
That's what I figured, it seems to make the most sense. You got a source for that?


Just did a quick search since the game is about to come on.

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Performance bonuses count against the salary cap as soon as they are earned. If there’s cap space to absorb them, great, we never need speak of it again unless you’re a luxury car salesperson, and you have the player’s phone number.

If the end of year cap space isn’t enough to absorb the bonuses actually earned, then the excess is rolled into the next year and counts against the salary cap, eating into the space just like retained salary or an overpaid player in the press box does.


https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/the-basics-on-nhl-contract-bonuses-maple-leafs-contract-slide-signing-bonus-performance-bonus/

If I remember later I'll look for something more official.

Basically performance bonuses are a running tally that accumulate as they are earned.
At the end of that season you subtract remaining cap space from that amount and the remainder is a carryover.
The team that is presumed to benefit from that player reaching a performance threshold, is the one to which the hit is applied.
Brown's performance bonus was for his first 10 games, and Edmonton was the beneficiary of those first 10 games, so they are responsible for that bonus.
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17 févr. à 19 h 13
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Just curious, what are the odds for the top 5 teams?


Updated since post but here you are:

Edmonton +700
Florida +800
Boston +850
Vancouver +850
Carolina +950
Colorado +950
Dallas +950

Only other team shorter then +1300 is the New York Rangers at +1100. Odds at Bovada.
17 févr. à 19 h 36
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Quoting: Rolfadinho
Updated since post but here you are:

Edmonton +700
Florida +800
Boston +850
Vancouver +850
Carolina +950
Colorado +950
Dallas +950

Only other team shorter then +1300 is the New York Rangers at +1100. Odds at Bovada.


Edmonton bring overhyped for the playoffs part 1093
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17 févr. à 19 h 41
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Edmonton bring overhyped for the playoffs part 1093


Is just numbers. It doesn’t have feelings.

Odds are just the money flowing.

A big chunk of the flowing money is based on data models.

The data models don’t care what the team names are.
17 févr. à 19 h 48
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Panthers just won their 11th straight road game.
17 févr. à 20 h 12
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Matthews hatty watch
17 févr. à 20 h 19
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Quoting: aadoyle
Matthews hatty watch


B2b Hatty's for Matthews

Still remember when hes allergic to them. Guess he got over it as hes got 6 now
17 févr. à 21 h 18
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
That's what I figured, it seems to make the most sense. You got a source for that?


The official information may not be available (or I've overlooked it).

I do have anectdotal confirmation from a more legitimate source however.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/12388464/florida-panthers-acquire-jaromir-jagr-new-jersey-devils-two-draft-picks

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The Panthers will pick up the full prorated remainder of Jagr's $3.5 million salary, but the Devils are responsible for his $2 million games-played bonus, which he has already achieved, Lamoriello confirmed to ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun.
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17 févr. à 21 h 24
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Matthews scoring hattricks and Cowen increasing his point streak be fun

But moving back to Cowen man the kids scary
17 févr. à 21 h 29
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Outdoor game uni's are the worst kit's ever...
Put the FUGG in FUGGLY
17 févr. à 21 h 37
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damn sucks for Anaheim

they should send fowler and henrique to the Leafs as an apology for being bad
17 févr. à 21 h 40
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Quoting: mondo
damn sucks for Anaheim

they should send fowler and henrique to the Leafs as an apology for being bad


Not a fan of Fowler at this point as hes not been great. Would take Henrique + Vatrano though
17 févr. à 21 h 40
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Two games ended with 9-2 scores today
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