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Ottawa Senators

Créé par: Just_A_Guess
Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 26 sept. 2023
Publié: 26 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
22 500 000 $
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  1. Forsberg, Anton
  2. Thomson, Lassi
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (TBL)
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2025
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2026
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $82 804 880 $0 $1 850 000 $695 120 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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8 205 714 $8 205 714 $
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8 350 000 $8 350 000 $
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UFA - 8
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4 975 000 $4 975 000 $
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UFA - 4
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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7 950 000 $7 950 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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775 000 $775 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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835 000 $835 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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837 500 $837 500 $
G
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance1 850 000 $$2M)
DG
UFA - 1
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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805 000 $805 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
AG
RFA - 1

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26 sept. 2023 à 2 h 4
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Pretty sure the Sabres would accept
Idk that Ottawa would do it though?
26 sept. 2023 à 7 h 17
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Pretty sure the Sabres would accept
Idk that Ottawa would do it though?


Figure 2 years of an expensive backup for a younger, RFA backup <1mil means compensation is required. Maybe it's a bit premium but the basic premise would remain the same.
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26 sept. 2023 à 8 h 46
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That's uhhh... quite the overpayment for UPL, who sucks
26 sept. 2023 à 10 h 6
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That's uhhh... quite the overpayment for UPL, who sucks
Is it really?
While Thomson was 19th OA in 2019, he has not demonstrated that he is a potential NHL RHD.
Among all of the first round pick from that year only 5 have played fewer NHL games than he.
Poulin, Suzuki, Beecher and Tracey have bust carved into their resumes, while Ryan Johnson decided to finish college.
In the games he has played in a Sabre uniform he appears to be NHL ready before the end of the season.
TBH, Buffalo would most likely keep Luukkonen and let the Senators go elsewhere to solve their cap issues.
26 sept. 2023 à 10 h 15
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Is it really?
While Thomson was 19th OA in 2019, he has not demonstrated that he is a potential NHL RHD.
Among all of the first round pick from that year only 5 have played fewer NHL games than he.
Poulin, Suzuki, Beecher and Tracey have bust carved into their resumes, while Ryan Johnson decided to finish college.
In the games he has played in a Sabre uniform he appears to be NHL ready before the end of the season.
TBH, Buffalo would most likely keep Luukkonen and let the Senators go elsewhere to solve their cap issues.


Forsberg >>>>>> UPL. a 1 for 1 swap already isn't far. UPL is garbo
26 sept. 2023 à 12 h 36
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AZ not trading durzi (who they just traded for) for same age RFA same $ brannstrom.
you want to shed cap - obrein for kubalik fine - I know not equal value but OTT going to lose a piece or two for less to sign pinto
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26 sept. 2023 à 12 h 58
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That's uhhh... quite the overpayment for UPL, who sucks


Not paying for UPL, paying for 2 years of cap space and receiving UPL as a result.
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26 sept. 2023 à 13 h 45
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Is it really?
While Thomson was 19th OA in 2019, he has not demonstrated that he is a potential NHL RHD.
Among all of the first round pick from that year only 5 have played fewer NHL games than he.
Poulin, Suzuki, Beecher and Tracey have bust carved into their resumes, while Ryan Johnson decided to finish college.
In the games he has played in a Sabre uniform he appears to be NHL ready before the end of the season.
TBH, Buffalo would most likely keep Luukkonen and let the Senators go elsewhere to solve their cap issues.


Idk, not saying we would for sure
Depends how they view that prospect
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26 sept. 2023 à 14 h 8
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Figure 2 years of an expensive backup for a younger, RFA backup <1mil means compensation is required. Maybe it's a bit premium but the basic premise would remain the same.


Fair point
Guess it depends on if Ottawa feels giving up that prospect is too much or not
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26 sept. 2023 à 14 h 47
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Fair point
Guess it depends on if Ottawa feels giving up that prospect is too much or not


I was seeing plenty of posts over the last year where he was included as the cost to dump a player. Zaitsev specifically. Zaitsev & Thomson for FC was a conversation I recall having. This would be a similar situation but they'd be receiving a much cheaper RFA option as backup tendy. Maybe the tune has changed but I still think it's fairly reasonable considering almost every team is going to want a premium to help them sign Pinto.
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26 sept. 2023 à 15 h 4
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1) LOB is not needed, if he beats all of Kelly, Sokolov, Crookshank, Smejkal and Reinhardt for the 4th line LW spot, Sens will still have to pay a NHL salary to play in the AHL. He doesn't have any value, at least not for Ottawa. Which makes it Kubalik + Brannstrom for Durzi, which makes it a really bad trade. I understand this way the Sens create cap space but these players have value and are not like cap dumps.

Just remove Brannstrom and Durzi as I would much rather have Brannstrom than Durzi. The only thing he does more than Brannstrom is getting secondary assists on the PP, Brannstrom plays little PP because of the guys in front of him.

So not interested in LOB or Durzi, make it Kubalik for a pick, Yotes use him this season and sell him HIGHER at the deadline : profit

For Ottawa, moving Kubalik's AAV would be well enough space to sign Pinto to a 1 year bridge

2) This trade doesn't happen (because of Forsberg being the guy that brought Korpisalo to Ottawa) and is not even needed anyway. It's also pretty bad value for Ottawa, who also have to find a way to not lose Thomson on waivers, the guy is getting good

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While Thomson was 19th OA in 2019, he has not demonstrated that he is a potential NHL RHD.
Among all of the first round pick from that year only 5 have played fewer NHL games than he.

Thomson looked really good last night, of course it's 1 game but he's playing for his stay in Ottawa. He played against Matthews/Marner and did really well.

And moot point on Forsberg, Sens not going to trade him and also need him at least this season to give more development to Sogaard and Merilainen.

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I was seeing plenty of posts over the last year where he was included as the cost to dump a player. Zaitsev specifically. Zaitsev & Thomson for FC was a conversation I recall having. This would be a similar situation but they'd be receiving a much cheaper RFA option as backup tendy. Maybe the tune has changed but I still think it's fairly reasonable considering almost every team is going to want a premium to help them sign Pinto.

There hasn't been a "career path" for Thomson in Ottawa for a while because of the decisions they have made, which was even more the case with JBD being signed on a 1 way for 2 years. They have to find a way to keep both. Trading Brannstrom makes sense with all the defensive wealth/depth the Sens suddenly have

But you can forget Forsberg being traded. It's going to be either Kubalik or Brannstrom but they might just trade for a LTIR contract as well
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26 sept. 2023 à 17 h 57
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1) LOB is not needed, if he beats all of Kelly, Sokolov, Crookshank, Smejkal and Reinhardt for the 4th line LW spot, Sens will still have to pay a NHL salary to play in the AHL. He doesn't have any value, at least not for Ottawa. Which makes it Kubalik + Brannstrom for Durzi, which makes it a really bad trade. I understand this way the Sens create cap space but these players have value and are not like cap dumps.

Just remove Brannstrom and Durzi as I would much rather have Brannstrom than Durzi. The only thing he does more than Brannstrom is getting secondary assists on the PP, Brannstrom plays little PP because of the guys in front of him.

So not interested in LOB or Durzi, make it Kubalik for a pick, Yotes use him this season and sell him HIGHER at the deadline : profit

For Ottawa, moving Kubalik's AAV would be well enough space to sign Pinto to a 1 year bridge

2) This trade doesn't happen (because of Forsberg being the guy that brought Korpisalo to Ottawa) and is not even needed anyway. It's also pretty bad value for Ottawa, who also have to find a way to not lose Thomson on waivers, the guy is getting good


Thomson looked really good last night, of course it's 1 game but he's playing for his stay in Ottawa. He played against Matthews/Marner and did really well.

And moot point on Forsberg, Sens not going to trade him and also need him at least this season to give more development to Sogaard and Merilainen.


There hasn't been a "career path" for Thomson in Ottawa for a while because of the decisions they have made, which was even more the case with JBD being signed on a 1 way for 2 years. They have to find a way to keep both. Trading Brannstrom makes sense with all the defensive wealth/depth the Sens suddenly have

But you can forget Forsberg being traded. It's going to be either Kubalik or Brannstrom but they might just trade for a LTIR contract as well


Fair enough points. I don't have any skin in this one just took a swing at it. Figured the contracts I chose to move we're the obvious ones, just though that was a bit much for a backup goalie when you're cap strapped. I didn't know he was the selling feature so to speak.
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26 sept. 2023 à 19 h 30
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Fair enough points. I don't have any skin in this one just took a swing at it. Figured the contracts I chose to move we're the obvious ones, just though that was a bit much for a backup goalie when you're cap strapped. I didn't know he was the selling feature so to speak.

All good. By the way, Forsberg is good, one of the most underrated goalies in the league. He's more like a 1B than a backup and both will push each others this season
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26 sept. 2023 à 23 h 28
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I was seeing plenty of posts over the last year where he was included as the cost to dump a player. Zaitsev specifically. Zaitsev & Thomson for FC was a conversation I recall having. This would be a similar situation but they'd be receiving a much cheaper RFA option as backup tendy. Maybe the tune has changed but I still think it's fairly reasonable considering almost every team is going to want a premium to help them sign Pinto.


Big difference between posts on here,
& what’s possibly in reality though
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