Why I disagree that Yzerman overspent on UFAs

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Créé par: Hat_Trick_Swayze

Équipe: 2025-26 Red Wings de Detroit

Date de création initiale: 13 juill. 2023

Publié: 13 juill. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

- This is the current team built from within in '25-'26 with no further UFA signings or trades.

- Some extensions are adjusted a year as they would have started in '24-'25.

- Seems we all agree Seider will get 8 years, Raymond gets a bridge, and Yzerman doesn't give real term to anyone else.

- I re-signed Sprong, Kostin, and Husso to similar deals though they probably get more with the cap going up. With this set up Danielson, Kasper, Mazur, Edvinsson, Wallinder, Johansson and Cossa need raises in '26-'27, but some of these ELCs will undoubtedly slide to stagger cap. I also think Lombardi's play will force them to make a move.

- Chiarot, Holl, and Walman all come off the books in '26. I could see a Chiarot buyout or trade/dump and also a Walman trade before. That leaves almost 34 mil in cap in '26-'27 with 12 players signed.

- 55 million in '27-'28 with 7 signed. If worst comes to worst, this is where you buyout Compher's last season.

- To me this is the realistic timeline to build a perennial contender again. Yzerman was 32? when he first won and Larkin starts this season ('25-'26) at 29. I'm patient. Cook, Steve. I'd rather wait and not be selling off pieces 6, 7? years into the playoff streak with one series win or somethin' craaaaazy like that. That **** would SUCK.

- LGRW

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE	ANS	CAP HIT
Sandin Pellikka, Axel	3	925 000 $
Augustine, Trey	3	925 000 $
Buium, Shai	3	925 000 $
Dower Nilsson, Liam	3	925 000 $
Dower Nilsson, Noah	3	925 000 $
Gibson, Andrew	3	925 000 $
Gylander, Carter	3	925 000 $
James, Dylan	3	925 000 $
Johansson, Anton	3	925 000 $
Buchelnikov, Dmitri	3	925 000 $
Ali, Brennan	3	925 000 $
Niederbach, Theodor	3	925 000 $

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Berggren, Jonatan	3	3 700 000 $
Seider, Moritz	7	9 530 000 $
Raymond, Lucas	3	5 230 000 $
Rasmussen, Michael	3	4 000 000 $
Söderblom, Elmer	2	1 000 000 $
Johansson, Albert	1	1 000 000 $
Kostin, Klim	1	2 000 000 $
Veleno, Joseph	1	1 000 000 $
Hanas, Cross	1	950 000 $
Tuomisto, Antti	1	950 000 $
Viro, Eemil	1	950 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Husso, Ville		2	3 600 000 $
Sprong, Daniel		2	3 000 000 $

Rachats de contrats

Justin Abdelkader: 1 055 556 $

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	92 000 000 $	80 347 222 $	0 $	3 700 000 $	11 652 778 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Mazur, Carter 905 833 $905 833 $ AG RFA - 1	Larkin, Dylan 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NTC UFA - 6	DeBrincat, Alex 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2
Raymond, Lucas 5 230 000 $5 230 000 $ AD, AG RFA	Danielson, Nate 950 000 $950 000 $ (1 000 000 $$1M) C RFA - 1	Berggren, Jonatan 3 700 000 $3 700 000 $ AD, AG RFA
Rasmussen, Michael 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ C, AG RFA	Kasper, Marco 918 333 $918 333 $ (1 000 000 $$1M) C RFA - 1	Sprong, Daniel 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA
Copp, Andrew 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ C, AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Compher, J.T. 5 100 000 $5 100 000 $ C, AD M-NTC UFA - 3	Söderblom, Elmer 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, C RFA
Kostin, Klim 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG, AD RFA	Veleno, Joseph 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C RFA

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Walman, Jake 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Seider, Moritz 9 530 000 $9 530 000 $ DD RFA	Cossa, Sebastian 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) G RFA - 1
Edvinsson, Simon 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG RFA - 1	Sandin Pellikka, Axel 925 000 $925 000 $ DD RFA	Husso, Ville 3 600 000 $3 600 000 $ G UFA
Wallinder, William 925 000 $925 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Johansson, Albert 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG RFA
Chiarot, Ben 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Holl, Justin 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1

13 juill. à 15 h 36

Herb_Brooks

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still unnecessary to spend over 18m on middle 6 and bottom pairing players

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13 juill. à 15 h 40

Hat_Trick_Swayze

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

still unnecessary to spend over 18m on middle 6 and bottom pairing players

Meh, they can afford it. Raises the teams floor so the kids don't come in to an absolute ****show.

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13 juill. à 15 h 40

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

still unnecessary to spend over 18m on middle 6 and bottom pairing players

Gotta fill out the roster might as well do it with useful players. No way Seider is getting that money. You're pretty high on Danielson if you think he's your second line center in a couple seasons.

13 juill. à 15 h 42

Hat_Trick_Swayze

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

Gotta fill out the roster might as well do it with useful players. No way Seider is getting that money. You're pretty high on Danielson if you think he's your second line center in a couple seasons.

I can absolutely see him getting 9.5 and yeah I've been high on Danielson for a while. I'm very hopeful but I get Kopitar vibes.

13 juill. à 15 h 43

Herb_Brooks

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

Gotta fill out the roster might as well do it with useful players. No way Seider is getting that money. You're pretty high on Danielson if you think he's your second line center in a couple seasons.

yeah but there are more useful, holl isnt as bad as hes been made out to be but 3.4 is still a big overpay, and seider will get a fox/mcavoy/makar contract so this isnt far off it at all

13 juill. à 15 h 44

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

yeah but there are more useful, holl isnt as bad as hes been made out to be but 3.4 is still a big overpay, and seider will get a fox/mcavoy/makar contract so this isnt far off it at all

I think Seider will get 7.5 max unless he turns into a 50-60 point consistent dman. I actually liked the Holl signing. Watched a lot of Leaf games he's not that bad

13 juill. à 15 h 49

Herb_Brooks

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

I think Seider will get 7.5 max unless he turns into a 50-60 point consistent dman. I actually liked the Holl signing. Watched a lot of Leaf games he's not that bad

esepcailly with the cap going up 7.5 is very wishful thinking. would be shocked if it didnt start with a 9

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13 juill. à 15 h 51

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

esepcailly with the cap going up 7.5 is very wishful thinking. would be shocked if it didnt start with a 9

I think there's already a contract and will be announced before the season. It will say a lot when Yzerman is only willing to give 6 plus years to Larkin or Seider

13 juill. à 15 h 53

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

I think Seider will get 7.5 max unless he turns into a 50-60 point consistent dman. I actually liked the Holl signing. Watched a lot of Leaf games he's not that bad

7.5 max, huh.
7.5x3 maybe, and then he leaves our ass right away so he can get paid what he's worth.

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13 juill. à 15 h 56

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

7.5 max, huh.
7.5x3 maybe, and then he leaves our ass right away so he can get paid what he's worth.

Remember when Larkin was supposed to get 9? How about Cat getting 9.5? Zero chance. Seider will sign 7.5/7

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

Remember when Larkin was supposed to get 9? How about Cat getting 9.5? Zero chance. Seider will sign 7.5/7

8.7 is so far off from 9.
DeBrincat sure, whatever.
You're not gonna be able to lock this guy up for 8 years @ 7.5M.
Everyone knows the cap is gonna rise lol. Yzerma should not risk putting a #1 D-Man at 22 on a bridge.

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13 juill. à 16 h 2

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

8.7 is so far off from 9.
DeBrincat sure, whatever.
You're not gonna be able to lock this guy up for 8 years 7.5M.
Everyone knows the cap is gonna rise lol. Yzerma should not risk putting a #1 D-Man at 22 on a bridge.

7 years is not a bridge. He'll get it done. I love Seider he's going to be a Wing for life

13 juill. à 16 h 6

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

7 years is not a bridge. He'll get it done. I love Seider he's going to be a Wing for life

Not at $7.5m he won't. Most teams- at least the smart ones- sign max deals with their franchise RFAs to lock them into a quality cap hit for their prime. Yzerman tries doing a mid-level deal (DeBrincat) on Seider and you'll be stuck either losing him in UFA or paying a massive price difference. Players and their agents aren't ignorant.

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13 juill. à 16 h 7

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

7 years is not a bridge. He'll get it done. I love Seider he's going to be a Wing for life

7.5M gets you a bridge contract Seider lol. Even if he's not worth 9M, you take the bet that he will be in a few years and get him for 8.

13 juill. à 16 h 8

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Holl, Chiarot, Copp…a few guys are a bit overpaid, but the roster has little dead weight overall and not overextended on term. Their cap situation appears good to me.

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13 juill. à 16 h 23

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Anyone who was concerned about these contracts is just looking at them in a vaccum and doesn't understand how roster management actually works. They have all of the same played out arguments whenever some non-superstar is signed to a contract a bit out of their respective price range.

As you said, these contracts will either fall off or be a non-issue when the time to contend arrives (if it ever arrives).

Stevie gets a B+/A- from me this offseason, and it's only July.

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