The last thing the Jackets need is another $8M+ winger, especially at the cost of a center and RD that they need in the system.

I get that but kind of seems like jarmo is in win now mode with the comments he's made since the trade deadline and since the season wrapped up for the jackets. The one thing Ottawa doesn't seem to have IMO either is a good RHD they have numerous LHD to many of you ask me

Sure, but they're going to fill positions of need before they trade for more wingers. They need at least one top 6 center and probably another veteran RD if they're going to compete this year. Those needs come way before trying to upgrade any of Gaudreau, Laine, KJ, or Marchenko in the top 6 wings. The only way they might consider Debrincat is if Laine is actually going to shift to center and that decision probably isn't made until at the earliest when a new coach is named and possibly not until training camp.

Ya Snugs is essentially untradable unless something ridiculous being offered but all the picks and Neighbours would more then likely be available for a guy like DeBrincet

Uhh yes, you are overvaluing in Ottawa's favor like a mofo. The Blues are not doing anything resembling that. You could remove any of those pieces from the ask, and they'd still give Ottawa a Steve Harvey stare and then push them off a pier. You're not getting Snuggerud, period. And the Blues are not wildly splurging and overpaying for a winger anyway.

That's a very easy no for the blues. Snuggerud is basically untouchable for the blues. Also the blues have no need for another expensive winger. Our biggest weakness is center depth and defense and Debrincat solves neither

I knew he had a good year so figured he would be likely untouchable. Not saying you are but in most of the posts today seems like most people think Debrincat is "washed up" not valuable after last season so think he can still fetch a good return just maybe not a Jimmy Snug like return.

Side note what the hell do you think they do with their 3 first round picks then? Keep them or trade them? I assume the use the 10th OA but consider trading one of both of the other 2 firsts

I assumed the 10th OA would more than likely be off the table or at least my hope would be that a) Snugs obviously pans out to be the better player than whomever I could theoretically select with that pick. b) take the lower pick to increase the quality of additional assets coming back in return.

It's more of the blues have a lot of winger prospects and we already have a lot of wingers on the roster so Debrincat makes little sense in adding another winger. I think Debrincat can get a mid to late first and a decent prospect but it won't be from the blues. We have Kyrou at 8 mil and then need to sign Buch in 2 years to a contract north of 8 mil. Adding another 8 mil winger on top of that makes little sense. Most likely the blues will try to fix the defense somehow if it is possible and that is where our late firsts come in. I doubt we trade them for a winger because we have enough of those

Makes sense...were you guys using Buch as a 2C last year? I don't watch any blues games as I'm not in that region so only know what I read or see via posts and other ****.

We did but I don't think it is a permanent thing, just something we tried at the end of last year

I don’t think washed up is the best way to put it. But there’s certainly reason for concern, and I can’t see him fetching near what Ottawa paid for him.

Last season wasn’t great for him, and it’s the first season away from Kane. Reason for concern, but minimal, he still produced at a decent rate.

His QO pretty much ensures he’s gets a large pay day. Nobody or at least no fan wants to see their team sign an undersized winger coming off his worst season in the first season of changed circumstances to 8m+/year. It’s highly volatile.

There’s also an odd frenzy of people way overvaluing cap space, but at the same time, most teams cannot fit in 8m+ on Debrincat and pay a large futures package with no salary going back the other way.

For the blues as listed above, the fit just isn’t there. We have too many holes and too many question marks and too limited cap space to fix them.

Also just a short aside after scrolling through some other replies, chances of the Blues moving Snuggerud or the 10th pick are very very slim.

Snuggerud had a fantastic season and plays a pretty blues style of hockey and the Blues haven’t picked near the 10 spot in a long long time.

I appreciate your breakdown here of the possible reasoning behind why Debrincats value may have slumped slightly! Can I give a rebuttal to this from a sens point of view?

Reasoning why his point total dropped in my eyes are his most used linemates were Pinto and Batherson. With Norris going down early in the season this was probably worst case scenario as Pinto is still getting used to the league and coming off of shoulder surgery, Batherson is a productive forward but also had a rough year based off of previous years.

I think not playing with the likes of Stutzle (Ottawas obvious top forward) or Tkachuk and Norris going down for pretty much the entire season is a major reason why you saw Debrincat's numbers slip it's not bc of necessarily being away from Kane Debincat but it was more so the linemates and the system that Ottawa plays (dump and chase) which aren't the fit.

I do believe personally as much as I love Debrincat as a player and am a sens fan that Pierre Dorion is a bit of an idiot and jumped the gun last offseason. He doesn't really know how what he's doing as GM or who to go after stylistically to fit the system. At this point he should probably fire the coach and bring in someone who plays a possession style to fit Debrincat, Norris, Stutzle, Batherson, Chychrun and Chabots style of play more so that they can actually succeed

Yeah I'm not doing that if I am either team

I don't see a fit with the Blues. Maybe something around Schenn and Neighbours?

PS : love the Description in the OP, damn Dorion is bad



Keep in mind DeBrincat had to play with rookie Pinto as his center, a guy who had just missed a full season due to injury. DeBrincat would have produced more if Norris had been healthy. Both DeBrincat and Batherson suffered a lot from Norris injury, particularly defensively (offense comes from good defense). Pinto is good and will be great (will develop into a Danault type) but way too much responsibility for a rookie Center coming off a serious injury

DeBrincat needs to fit the team that will acquire him, a team strong at Center but that lacks goal scoring wingers. Blues are not a fit.

And I totally understand not wanting to move a prospect like Snuggerud, same as we didn't want to move Pinto and Greig, even for Chychrun

Very fair reasoning. Just looking at it as an outsider and giving why I’d imagine most people aren’t receptive to paying a large price. By no means do I think he’s a bad player. I think the blues would genuinely benefit from his goal scoring. But we are so strapped and are actually pretty solid on the wings right now that it doesn’t seem to be a good landing spot

Moving Debrincat is going to be tough for Dorion and I don't think I trust him to do it. It's going to be unfortunate that he reportedly doesn't want to sign as in the locker room I think he's a good fit and I think he would benefit with a better system and a healthy roster next season.

It'll be very tough for Dorion to find a good fit for Debrincat and I don't think I trust him enough to bring in a good return. It'll be a shame to see him go if he does leave. Ottawa doesn't necessarily have any ready to go to 6 guys in tow ready and waiting.

Dorion has imo needed to go for a long while if I was a new ownership group he and DJ Smith are my first guys I'm letting go of.

Indeed, both and Dorion need to be assistants, not the guys in charge

Signing Giroux was perfect and we lucked into that (hometown) but :

Bjorkstrand + Paul + Brown + Gustavsson >>>>> DeBrincat + Joseph + Gambrell + Talbot

Only needed to beat 3rd + 4th for Bjorkstrand but we were probably not in the sweepstakes as we already have DeBrincat...