I don't like either of those deals

I think this would be a home run shake up. Don't know if either team would do those deals but this would be a wild off season.

Not to be mean, but I'm genuinely curious what the logic is behind the TOR trade is (I've not seen a Nylander to CAR yet so just curious)

I've seen Marner being proposed quite a bit to us so I thought why not Nylander? Will be tough for the leafs to to retain all of their big 4 and I prefer Nylander on the Canes as opposed to Marner. Could be way off on this logic, haven't followed the trade talks to closely this off season

leafs say no

schmaltz has better numbers (on a worse team), nemac is in last year of deal (but RFA) - crouse worth way more than a late 2nd - hard quick pass by AZ

I meant about the return... But your logic of wanting Nylander makes sense