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Cat Trade

Créé par: Ansabch12
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 5 juin 2023
Publié: 5 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
78 125 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 150 000 $
1775 000 $
1775 000 $
32 125 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. DeBrincat, Alex [Droits de RFA]
OTT
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. Vladar, Daniel
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
2.
CGY
ARI
  1. Rooney, Kevin
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (CGY)
3.
CGY
  1. Rosén, Isak
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de BUF
Logo de CGY
2024
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
2025
Logo de FLA
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $77 964 166 $0 $865 000 $5 535 834 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 125 000 $2 125 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
8 125 000 $8 125 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD
RFA - 2
2 125 000 $2 125 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
863 333 $863 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
813 333 $813 333 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Flames de Calgary
775 000 $775 000 $
DD
UFA
Logo de Flames de Calgary
775 000 $775 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1

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5 juin 2023 à 18 h 15
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Tempting names but no. Ottawa doesn't want 1 year from a LD when we would need RD. Plus adding a goalie often offered for a 7th rounder and some sad picks?

No.
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5 juin 2023 à 18 h 25
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I think the Sabers would pass it not worth one year of a player for a piece they don't need
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5 juin 2023 à 18 h 28
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Not a fan of either team, but I do think that Sens trade would benefit both teams. Vladar is a solid backup and would be great for OTT since Talbot isn't coming back. Cat would be great up front, but would most likely need to add a first into the deal somewhere. I like Hanifin a lot too, so OTT would be getting a good D
5 juin 2023 à 18 h 34
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The DeBrincat trade serves neither team's interests.

Sorry.
5 juin 2023 à 18 h 37
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Quoting: sensonfire
The DeBrincat trade serves neither team's interests.

Sorry.


I don't understand, the Flames get the kind of sniper Huberdeau needs to get his career back on track, and the Sens get a great dman, a goalie when they literally only have one signed currently, and some decent picks for a player who's likely not going to be re-signed.

It seems to me that both teams benefit even if the value may not be equal on both sides which can be changed by pick equity.
5 juin 2023 à 18 h 40
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I don't understand, the Flames get the kind of sniper Huberdeau needs to get his career back on track, and the Sens get a great dman, a goalie when they literally only have one signed currently, and a decent haul of picks for a player who's likely not going to be re-signed.

It seems to me that both teams benefit even if the value may not be equal on both sides which can be changed by pick equity.


It doesn't benefit Ottawa because Hanifin is a rental.

It doesn't benefit Calgary because their defence is now a lot worse without Hanifin.
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5 juin 2023 à 18 h 41
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Backlund would look very nice on our third line, we actually need at least one center that is good both ways, but it's not happening for Rosen. Backlund is a rental , he's not getting 14oa from two years ago.
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It doesn't benefit Ottawa because Hanifin is a rental.

It doesn't benefit Calgary because their defence is now a lot worse without Hanifin.


Hanifin can very easily be re-signed for much less than DeBrincat would cost, this is all assuming he would sign, this would give the Sens one of the best defensive cores in the league.

The Flames have a deep defensive core even without Hanifin so moving from a surplus position into a need for a top 6 winger makes perfect sense to me.
5 juin 2023 à 18 h 46
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I don't understand, the Flames get the kind of sniper Huberdeau needs to get his career back on track, and the Sens get a great dman, a goalie when they literally only have one signed currently, and a some decent picks for a player who's likely not going to be re-signed.

It seems to me that both teams benefit even if the value may not be equal on both sides which can be changed by pick equity.


I like Hanifin but he only has 1 year and is LD

Ottawa has Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun and Brannstrom at LD... I don't remember a LD side as stacked as that before

The return I would be interested from Calgary is :

Andrew Mangiapane + Zary/Pelletier/Wolf/Coronato (any that you find acceptable)

or Andrew Mangiapane + picks
5 juin 2023 à 18 h 48
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Hanifin can very easily be re-signed for much less than DeBrincat would cost, this is all assuming he would sign, this would give the Sens one of the best defensive cores in the league.

The Flames have a deep defensive core even without Hanifin so moving from a surplus position into a need for a top 6 winger makes perfect sense to me.


If I'm Calgary, I'm trading Zadorov away somewhere instead of Hanifin.

If I'm Ottawa, I'd want something like #16 overall + Manigapane + Calgary's choice of Vladar or Dube.
5 juin 2023 à 19 h 25
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If I'm Calgary, I'm trading Zadorov away somewhere instead of Hanifin.

If I'm Ottawa, I'd want something like #16 overall + Manigapane + Calgary's choice of Vladar or Dube.


Vladar and dube are not equivalent values.

That package is bigger then what the sens got debrincat for.

I do think if the flames move hanifin for a 1st, like lak 22nd from cbj, I could see 22nd oa + vladar + mang.

I dont see them moving 16th oa unless they get around pick.
5 juin 2023 à 19 h 27
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Vladar and dube are not equivalent values.

That package is bigger then what the sens got debrincat for.

I do think if the flames move hanifin for a 1st, like lak 22nd from cbj, I could see 22nd oa + vladar + mang.

I dont see them moving 16th oa unless they get around pick.


#22 overall + Mangiapane + Vladar would be fine too.
5 juin 2023 à 20 h 4
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I think the Sabers would pass it not worth one year of a player for a piece they don't need


Backlund for Rosen makes zero sense.
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5 juin 2023 à 20 h 54
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Backlund would look very nice on our third line, we actually need at least one center that is good both ways, but it's not happening for Rosen. Backlund is a rental , he's not getting 14oa from two years ago.


Nevermind the highly likely mutiny that Conroy would invite within a lockerroom already trying to recover from Sutter's mind-games if he were to trade Backlund, who all of the Flames players look up to as being worthy of their captaincy. Backlund's contract status would be secondary to the cultural impact if Calgary dumps him IMO.
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6 juin 2023 à 0 h 46
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I like Hanifin but he only has 1 year and is LD

Ottawa has Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun and Brannstrom at LD... I don't remember a LD side as stacked as that before

The return I would be interested from Calgary is :
Andrew Mangiapane + Zary/Pelletier/Wolf/Coronato (any that you find acceptable)
or Andrew Mangiapane + picks
. WOW! Delusional Ottawa fans think Flames give up that much for Debrincat? Lol…obviously Ottawa would extend Hanifin making it a very uneven win for Ottawa
6 juin 2023 à 9 h 6
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. WOW! Delusional Ottawa fans think Flames give up that much for Debrincat? Lol…obviously Ottawa would extend Hanifin making it a very uneven win for Ottawa


lol your type is the best... The real delusional calling others delusional...

Mangiapane is 27 years winger with 2 years left at 5.8 AAV. He had a career year in terms of goal scoring in 2021-22 but still 55 pts in 82 games. Last season, he had 43 pts in 82 games. DeBrincat is 2 years younger, has two 40 goals season under his belt and is near PPG the last 3 years combined. In an off year where his center was injured (Norris), he had 66 pts even though he had to play with a rookie who had just missed a full season due to injury.

You don't think there's a difference in value between DeBrincat and Mangiapane?

Zary turns 22 years old in September and has 83 pts in 125 AHL games, is he that elite prospect who makes the difference between ADB and AM "delusional"?

Kid, please tears of joy

Ottawa can't afford to trade DeBrincat for a LHD, don't be ridiculous
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14 juin 2023 à 21 h 0
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lol your type is the best... The real delusional calling others delusional...

Mangiapane is 27 years winger with 2 years left at 5.8 AAV. He had a career year in terms of goal scoring in 2021-22 but still 55 pts in 82 games. Last season, he had 43 pts in 82 games. DeBrincat is 2 years younger, has two 40 goals season under his belt and is near PPG the last 3 years combined. In an off year where his center was injured (Norris), he had 66 pts even though he had to play with a rookie who had just missed a full season due to injury.

You don't think there's a difference in value between DeBrincat and Mangiapane?

Zary turns 22 years old in September and has 83 pts in 125 AHL games, is he that elite prospect who makes the difference between ADB and AM "delusional"?

Kid, please tears of joy

Ottawa can't afford to trade DeBrincat for a LHD, don't be ridiculous


“Kid please”….I see you cannot respect people, jacka**. Here is why you are delusional one:

1. You are clearly not good with money or management…..Debrincat will cost so much more in salary than Mangiapaine (if traded for each other with/without other assets), meaning you get less back for him in the trade…wake up as there is a hard salary cap….did you see the website name?

2. It’s not a question of “my guy in the past - not a predictor of future - was better” but is truly “my guy will be better value for the money going forward” and Mangiapaine will be the winner there easily at 5.8M per year vs Deb at $9M maybe.

3. As for comparison of the two, it’s likely that Mangiapaine would score nearly as much as Debrincat if he averaged as much TOI as as Deb during the past 5 years…he has averaged almost 4 minutes less…also usually plays 3rd line vs line 1 or 2 for your guy. And clearly the entire Flames team had a poor offensive season in 2022-23 so quite likely Mangiapaine gets to 35-40 goals this coming year at much less money spent.

So in the end, there is a difference in overall value…with Mangi the better value for $. No extra assets needed in a trade for “Deb”….in fact, you convinced me that Debrincat is going to be ann albatross contract going forward so not worth having for any trade. Nice try however, smartguy
15 juin 2023 à 11 h 25
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“Kid please”….I see you cannot respect people, jacka**. Here is why you are delusional one:

1. You are clearly not good with money or management…..Debrincat will cost so much more in salary than Mangiapaine (if traded for each other with/without other assets), meaning you get less back for him in the trade…wake up as there is a hard salary cap….did you see the website name?

2. It’s not a question of “my guy in the past - not a predictor of future - was better” but is truly “my guy will be better value for the money going forward” and Mangiapaine will be the winner there easily at 5.8M per year vs Deb at $9M maybe.

3. As for comparison of the two, it’s likely that Mangiapaine would score nearly as much as Debrincat if he averaged as much TOI as as Deb during the past 5 years…he has averaged almost 4 minutes less…also usually plays 3rd line vs line 1 or 2 for your guy. And clearly the entire Flames team had a poor offensive season in 2022-23 so quite likely Mangiapaine gets to 35-40 goals this coming year at much less money spent.

So in the end, there is a difference in overall value…with Mangi the better value for $. No extra assets needed in a trade for “Deb”….in fact, you convinced me that Debrincat is going to be ann albatross contract going forward so not worth having for any trade. Nice try however, smarta**


I was not the one quoting you, you did. And right off the bat you call me "delusional" then you expect to be respected? lol what a joke

I'm not even reading all you wrote, I know it's going to be pure verbiage. Your type is the best like I said, so rude to others then they cry "police" when they get any retaliation tears of joy


****, I accidentally read the first little bit "1. You are clearly not good with money or management"


Well, my accounts and assets would disagree!


I gotta resist to the temptation of laughing more at your post and not read anything else!
15 juin 2023 à 20 h 45
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Quoting: Xspyrit
I was not the one quoting you, you did. And right off the bat you call me "delusional" then you expect to be respected? lol what a joke

I'm not even reading all you wrote, I know it's going to be pure verbiage. Your type is the best like I said, so rude to others then they cry "police" when they get any retaliation tears of joy

****, I accidentally read the first little bit "1. You are clearly not good with money or management"

Well, my accounts and assets would disagree!

I gotta resist to the temptation of laughing more at your post and not read anything else!


You clearly resisted replying because I made logical and accurate arguments you cannot refute, plain and simple. You’re not fooling anyone.

PS I also have 2 million in stocks and real estate assets (and yes, I can provide proof) so I can brag about my management skill like you if you wish. I am sure you would not dare to back up your claims. I would!
16 juin 2023 à 21 h 26
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You clearly resisted replying because I made logical and accurate arguments you cannot refute, plain and simple. You’re not fooling anyone.

PS I also have 2 million in stocks and real estate assets (and yes, I can provide proof) so I can brag about my management skill like you if you wish. I am sure you would not dare to back up your claims. I would!


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