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Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 2 juin 2023
Publié: 2 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
44 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
43 500 000 $
55 500 000 $
21 250 000 $
21 500 000 $
2812 000 $
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1.
TOR
  1. Aho, Sebastian
  2. Pesce, Brett
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
2.
TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
ARI
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
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AG, AD
UFA - 1
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NMC
UFA - 1
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NMC
UFA - 1
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 2
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8 460 250 $8 460 250 $
C
UFA - 1
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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C, AD
UFA - 3
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762 500 $762 500 $
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UFA - 1
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C
UFA - 4
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1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
AD, C, AG
UFA - 1
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DG
NMC
UFA - 7
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4 025 000 $4 025 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
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766 667 $766 667 $
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RFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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UFA - 2
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UFA - 3
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800 000 $800 000 $
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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2 juin 2023 à 10 h 45
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Honestly, do you actually think the Canes would consider trading Aho for Marner 1-1, much less add Pesce and a 1st?

I really would like to know where this sort of delusional thought process comes from. Please enlighten me.
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2 juin 2023 à 10 h 51
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Quoting: spockrock
Honestly, do you actually think the Canes would consider trading Aho for Marner 1-1, much less add Pesce and a 1st?

I really would like to know where this sort of delusional thought process comes from. Please enlighten me.


just basing it off the tkachuk trade last year where the flames gave up a worse player than marner, for a 100 point scorer(more than aho) + weegar(better than pesce), maybe take out the first but it's a very comparable trade.
2 juin 2023 à 10 h 52
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2 juin 2023 à 10 h 55
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just basing it off the tkachuk trade last year where the flames gave up a worse player than marner, for a 100 point scorer(more than aho) + weegar(better than pesce), maybe take out the first but it's a very comparable trade.


Tkachuk was an rfa, marner is walking in 2 years, it’s not even remotely the same
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2 juin 2023 à 10 h 57
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Quoting: CanesTings
Tkachuk was an rfa, marner is walking in 2 years, it’s not even remotely the same


tkachuk demanded a trade and informed the flames he wasn't resigning. the flames had less leverage than the leafs do in this case
2 juin 2023 à 10 h 58
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Quoting: zapple
just basing it off the tkachuk trade last year where the flames gave up a worse player than marner, for a 100 point scorer(more than aho) + weegar(better than pesce), maybe take out the first but it's a very comparable trade.


Also the two players sent to CGY were older than Aho and one could assume negotiations for extensions for them went south
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 14
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marner for 2 rentals?
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 14
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Honestly, do you actually think the Canes would consider trading Aho for Marner 1-1, much less add Pesce and a 1st?

I really would like to know where this sort of delusional thought process comes from. Please enlighten me.


aho and pesce are rentals
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 17
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aho and pesce are rentals


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aho and pesce are rentals


trade would only happen on the condition they both extend, much like the hubey-weegar deal
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 24
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aho and pesce are rentals


They’re also a 1C and arguably top pair D, integral parts of CAR’s team.

2 yrs of Marner, as a winger, holds no where close to that sort of value.
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 26
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They’re also a 1C and arguably top pair D, integral parts of CAR’s team.

2 yrs of Marner, as a winger, holds no where close to that sort of value.


also rentals, why should the leafs give up a top 5 winger marner has has an extra year for 2 rentals who could walk
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 28
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Quoting: Herb_Brooks
also rentals, why should the leafs give up a top 5 winger marner has has an extra year for 2 rentals who could walk


trade would only happen on the condition they both extend, much like the hubey-weegar deal
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 29
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just basing it off the tkachuk trade last year where the flames gave up a worse player than marner, for a 100 point scorer(more than aho) + weegar(better than pesce), maybe take out the first but it's a very comparable trade.



No it’s really not.

Florida already had Barkov and Huberdeau was coming up on 30. Aho is 26 still in his prime, plays a much more important position than Marner AND he’s a better goal scorer.

So, CAR scoffs at the ask of Aho 1-1 for Marner, much less adds.

I’m not even going to get into the ridiculous ask of Pesce + a 1st on top of Aho.

Marner ain’t no Tkachuk. Another point which blows your misguided valuation out of the water was that Tkachuk came with a reasonably priced 8yr extension. Marner is on a bloated $11M deal for just 2 more years.
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 31
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also rentals, why should the leafs give up a top 5 winger marner has has an extra year for 2 rentals who could walk


Why should the Canes take a step back, with an overpaid winger, by trading 2 key pieces to their team?
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 34
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Why should the Canes take a step back, with an overpaid winger, by trading 2 key pieces to their team?


to get something for them before they walk? the player also becomes their best player
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Why should the Canes take a step back, with an overpaid winger, by trading 2 key pieces to their team?


to change the look of their team, much like the leafs have to do. also a chance both walk
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 38
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to get something for them before they walk?


Why would they walk? They’re certainly not going to have more playoff success in TOR vs CAR.

Even if they did walk, the Canes would be able to recoup better assets for them in separate trades vs packaging them for a soft winger. They’d have to replace a 1C and top 4 D and by taking on Marner’s $11M, well that ain’t really possible is it?
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 39
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Honestly, do you actually think the Canes would consider trading Aho for Marner 1-1, much less add Pesce and a 1st?

I really would like to know where this sort of delusional thought process comes from. Please enlighten me.


That's a completely ridiculous trade. Such an overpay for Carolina. Marner has more points than Aho and an additional year. Aho is a center and better in his own end.
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 41
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to get something for them before they walk? the player also becomes their best player


I‘m against Trading Marner at all, but if return doesn’t include Aho + or Slavin + then forget it. Pesce is overrated and pending ufa so little interest. Marner easily becomes best player on Canes even with Aho; enough hot air about value of centre position. If that’s the case try trading aho to Tampa for kucherov or minny for Kaprizov, no chance. Marner impacts the game at an elite level - and is better than Aho - at both ends.
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 43
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to change the look of their team, much like the leafs have to do. also a chance both walk


Why does CAR need to change the makeup of their team? The need goal scoring, they’ll get Svechnikov back and they’ll have a ton of cap space and futures to address that. They, as a team, are much more complete than the Leafs.

Aho very likely is re-signed this summer, as discussions evidently have already started. Pesce, again likely re-signed this summer.

Even if both players do end up not re-signing, the Canes could bring in much more value by trading them separately and while still retaining the cap space to potentially replace them, something they would not have by taking on Marner’s $11M.
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 47
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That's a completely ridiculous trade. Such an overpay for Carolina. Marner has more points than Aho and an additional year. Aho is a center and better in his own end.


First Marner has a lot more points; second value of center position is overrated - production is what matters. And third I don’t think Aho is better defensively than Marner, he leads league (or top 5 every year) in takeaways, plays on PK1 (Leafs > Canes + not even sure Aho kills penalties?), and is a Selke nominee. Please

correction - Canes had better PK % than Leafs, apologies. I was mistakenly looking at combined value (PK + PP) which leafs won b/c our PP was >>
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2 juin 2023 à 11 h 55
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Why would they walk? They’re certainly not going to have more playoff success in TOR vs CAR.

Even if they did walk, the Canes would be able to recoup better assets for them in separate trades vs packaging them for a soft winger. They’d have to replace a 1C and top 4 D and by taking on Marner’s $11M, well that ain’t really possible is it?


hate to break it to you, but the canes and leafs had the same amount of 3rd round wins this year.

hopefully they dont walk then !
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 56
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hate to break it to you, but the canes and leafs had the same amount of 3rd round wins this year.

hopefully they dont walk then !


2nd round wins count too friend.

Good luck with Matthews and that NMC.
2 juin 2023 à 11 h 57
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That's a completely ridiculous trade. Such an overpay for Carolina. Marner has more points than Aho and an additional year. Aho is a center and better in his own end.


Marner>Aho
 
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