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Bratt for Necas

Créé par: Devsfan25
Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 31 mai 2023
Publié: 31 mai 2023
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31 mai 2023 à 12 h 11
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I'd be down for this swap, neat idea.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 12
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Quoting: dnoe51
Dude he’s not a center. He doesn’t have the trade value of a center. Bratt is worth more.


He also was 45% with 230ish faceoffs taken. Not a center
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 13
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Dude he’s not a center. He doesn’t have the trade value of a center. Bratt is worth more.


Conveniently, Necas played about 20% of his ice time as a center this season according to Moneypuck, and about 22% according to HockeyViz...
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 13
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Cool he takes the faceoffs when KK is kicked out of the circle, someone has to take them then


Cool, now explain why he played between 20-22% of his ice time as a center?
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 14
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Conveniently, Necas played about 20% of his ice time as a center this season according to Moneypuck, and about 22% according to HockeyViz...


So he’s not even close to being a center. You are building my argument more and more.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 14
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Bratt has great speed, Necas is the fastest skater in the NHL.

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1542245276961890304

Necas is a year younger, can play a more valuable position and makes a projected 4 million bucks less... stop it


Got anything from this year? Alex formenton is also number 2 on this list lmao.

Necas is only 5 months younger at an age where players plateau, plays the same position (both wingers), and is a clearly worse player. 1 single year of cap savings, which the devils DO NOT NEED, doesn't move that needle
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31 mai 2023 à 12 h 14
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Quoting: Tintin
I'm afraid he is. Necas is dynamite (and so is Bratt)


Necas is a great player, but is a good tier below Bratt.
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31 mai 2023 à 12 h 15
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Last three seasons
Bratt……………204gp - 65g - 111a - 176pts (0.86 ppg)
Svechnikov…..197gp - 68g - 98a - 166pts (0.84 ppg)
Necas………….213gp - 56g - 96a - 152pts (0.71 ppg)

Last two seasons
Bratt……………158gp - 58g - 88a - 146pts (0.92 ppg)
Svechnikov…..142gp - 53g - 71a - 124pts (0.87 ppg)
Necas………….160gp - 42g - 69a - 111pts (0.69 ppg)

Last season
Bratt……………82gp - 32g - 41a - 73pts (0.89 ppg)
Svechnikov…..64gp - 23g - 32a - 55pts (0.86 ppg)
Necas………….82gp - 28g - 43a - 71pts (0.87 ppg)


Shouldn’t we be talking about Bratt for Svechnikov?
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31 mai 2023 à 12 h 17
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Last three seasons
Bratt……………204gp - 65g - 111a - 176pts (0.86 ppg)
Svechnikov…..197gp - 68g - 98a - 166pts (0.84 ppg)
Necas………….213gp - 56g - 96a - 152pts (0.71 ppg)

Last two seasons
Bratt……………158gp - 58g - 88a - 146pts (0.92 ppg)
Svechnikov…..142gp - 53g - 71a - 124pts (0.87 ppg)
Necas………….160gp - 42g - 69a - 111pts (0.69 ppg)

Last season
Bratt……………82gp - 32g - 41a - 73pts (0.89 ppg)
Svechnikov…..64gp - 23g - 32a - 55pts (0.86 ppg)
Necas………….82gp - 28g - 43a - 71pts (0.87 ppg)


Shouldn’t we be talking about Bratt for Svechnikov?


Canes wouldn’t trade svech but at least your smart enought to know bratt is comparable to him and better than necas
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31 mai 2023 à 12 h 18
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While I'd say Necas and Bratt were roughly equally good this past season, if any team are adding it should be the Canes based on Bratt having more 1st line level seasons under his belt than Necas.
But if this situation would come down to the Devils having to choose between having Bratt on a non-longterm deal (ie 3 years and below) vs trading Bratt for Necas with the ability to sign him longterm at not too big a cap hit, then the Devils should heavoöy consider doing this swap.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 19
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Necas is a great player, but is a good tier below Bratt.

Nope, don't see it. Necas was seemingly just as impactful this season as Bratt was.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 21
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Got anything from this year? Alex formenton is also number 2 on this list lmao.

Necas is only 5 months younger at an age where players plateau, plays the same position (both wingers), and is a clearly worse player. 1 single year of cap savings, which the devils DO NOT NEED, doesn't move that needle


Necas is 7 months younger, plays center and it clearly as good who is faster. Drop the Devils bias here
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 25
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This thread went off in a good way.
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31 mai 2023 à 12 h 28
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Necas is 7 months younger, plays center and it clearly as good who is faster. Drop the Devils bias here


you've went from 2 years to 1 year, to 7 months, and all 3 are wrong

Jesper bratt is 24 years and 305 days old.
necas is 24 years and 136 days old.
169 days, or 5 months and some days.
Less than half a year gap. THEY ARE THE SAME AGE.

If necas was a true center he'd have taken the 2C role considering his competition for that spot is a clear 3C in jesperi kotkaniemi.

Faster=/= better. Especially when jesper bratt is also a top tier skater.

Jesper bratt is the BETTER player.
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31 mai 2023 à 12 h 30
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you've went from 2 years to 1 year, to 7 months, and all 3 are wrong

Jesper bratt is 24 years and 305 days old.
necas is 24 years and 136 days old.
169 days, or 5 months and some days.
Less than half a year gap. THEY ARE THE SAME AGE.

If necas was a true center he'd have taken the 2C role considering his competition for that spot is a clear 3C in jesperi kotkaniemi.

Faster=/= better. Especially when jesper bratt is also a top tier skater.

Jesper bratt is the BETTER player.


July to late January is 7 months.

Bratt is a worse skater, has minimally better production playing with better players, is older, and Necas will make ~ 4 million less. Necas is the MORE VALUABLE player. Deal with it
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 39
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Quoting: Caniac2000
July to late January is 7 months.

Bratt is a worse skater, has minimally better production playing with better players, is older, and Necas will make ~ 4 million less. Necas is the MORE VALUABLE player. Deal with it


Counting 1 day of july as a full month and calling january 15th "late january". Lol you can't be serious.

Bratt scored 43 points 5v5 (20-23) in 1136 minutes
Necas scored 35 points 5v5 (13-22) in 1162 minutes
Wouldn't personally call 23% better point production and 54% better goal production "minimally better" that's just me tho.

1 year being cheaper means nothing when the devils DO NOT NEED CAP SPACE THIS YEAR.

you keep stating "worse skater" like it matters when bratt is still more productive. Bratt is a significantly better shooter, and the shooting gap is bigger than the skating gap.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 44
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Necas has record 28 rush attempts in his career. Same amount as Bratt had at even strength…last season. Bratt has consistently generated more high danger scoring chances (about 30% more). Bratt has better g/60, a/60, pts/60 rates. This is just a silly path to go down.

Also, the fastest recorded skater this year was Ryan Poehling. Top speed means nothing if you cannot use to gain separation. That is Bratt’s bailiwick.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 49
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Necas has record 28 rush attempts in his career. Same amount as Bratt had at even strength…last season. Bratt has consistently generated more high danger scoring chances (about 30% more). Bratt has better g/60, a/60, pts/60 rates. This is just a silly path to go down.

Also, the fastest recorded skater this year was Ryan Poehling. Top speed means nothing if you cannot use to gain separation. That is Bratt’s bailiwick.


Based on his logic of: skating ability, age, point production, we'll offer bratt for aho and surely Carolina would be okay with it.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 51
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Nope, don't see it. Necas was seemingly just as impactful this season as Bratt was.


Are you talking about playoffs? I haven’t compared how they did in post-season. I am just looking at regular season, where Bratt has been noticeably better, for longer. But Jesper cooled in playoffs, so maybe there is a case there.

As for the trade, I am not saying it’s a career-ender for a GM…but it could be if Bratt signs at market rate or below. It is a giant L for NJD.
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 52
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Are you talking about playoffs? I haven’t compared how they did in post-season. I am just looking at regular season, where Bratt has been noticeably better, for longer. But Jesper cooled in playoffs, so maybe there is a case there.

As for the trade, I am not saying it’s a career-ender for a GM…but it could be if Bratt signs at market rate or below. It is a giant L for NJD.


Necas wasn't exactly great in the playoffs either
31 mai 2023 à 12 h 58
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Quoting: dgibb10
Based on his logic of: skating ability, age, point production, we'll offer bratt for aho and surely Carolina would be okay with it.


Bratt’s contract is the missing piece here.

Bratt extended = Svechnikov
Bratt on QO = Necas

(give or take)

Wide range there.
31 mai 2023 à 13 h 0
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Bratt’s contract is the missing piece here.

Bratt extended = Svechnikov
Bratt on QO = Necas

(give or take)

Wide range there.


I'd add for svech and would need carolina to add for necas
31 mai 2023 à 13 h 1
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I'd add for svech and would need carolina to add for necas


Likewise
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31 mai 2023 à 14 h 34
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Likewise


I'd want Necas+1st for bratt+2nd and Bratt+1st for svech+2nd approximately and work from there
 
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