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Hanifin and Lindholm blockbuster

Créé par: csick
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 30 mai 2023
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30 mai 2023 à 17 h 16
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No way CBJ would be giving a the third overall and more for two upcoming UFAs.
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30 mai 2023 à 17 h 17
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3OV is only on the table for a U25 C with term/that can be locked up.
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 17
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Annnnnnd then both Lindholm and Hanifin walk next off-season, yea no CBJ declines
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 17
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Annnnnnd then both Lindholm and Hanifin walk next off-season, yea no CBJ declines


It would have to be extensions with both
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 18
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Columbus declines easy, no way they are trading 3rd OA for two pending UFAs let alone adding Boqvist and Roslovic for them.
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 19
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Columbus declines easy, no way they are trading 3rd OA for two pending UFAs let alone adding Boqvist and Roslovic for them.


The trade would have to include 2 extensions but the Jackets need help at centre and LD and this solves that longterm
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 22
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Csick haven't we been over this? Pending UFA's dont come with extensions, the team signs them after acquiring them
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30 mai 2023 à 17 h 22
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Csick haven't we been over this? Pending UFA's dont come with extensions, the team signs them after acquiring them


I think if we were in season I’d agree but in the previous summer once July 1st hits they can negotiate extensions and sometimes it happens verbally at the draft
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 23
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It would have to be extensions with both


Sorry, teams don't give up so much for in effect UFAs, especially no playoff teams Gee, the Flames didn't pay a trade premium to sign UFAs Markstrom, Coleman, Kadri, and Tanev.
Gee, if Lindholm and Hanifan wanna get out of poor Calgary situation why would they want to get a worse situation in Columbus long term./
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 24
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The trade would have to include 2 extensions but the Jackets need help at centre and LD and this solves that longterm


I still wouldn’t move 3rd OA plus for them with extensions, they do need help in both positions but it seems like that’s a move they make if they try to rush into being competitive like the rangers have done.
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 24
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Sorry, teams don't give up so much for in effect UFAs, especially no playoff teams Gee, the Flames didn't pay a trade premium to sign UFAs Markstrom, Coleman, Kadri, and Tanev.


May I remind you of the mark stone trade. And that happened at the deadline which is less likely to get an extension than in the previous summe
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 26
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I think if we were in season I’d agree but in the previous summer once July 1st hits they can negotiate extensions and sometimes it happens verbally at the draft


Verbal agreements cant be placed on contracts. and the buying team is under no incentive to overpay for them to be pre-signed
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30 mai 2023 à 17 h 36
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May I remind you of the mark stone trade. And that happened at the deadline which is less likely to get an extension than in the previous summe


Yeah, I remember the Mark Stone situation. He was traded for what the 15th overalll and second rounder at trade deadline. Certainly not an unreasonable return for team (Vegas) on a Cup run.
Now Stone had reached a "financial agreement" with the Sens on his $$$ value, but just didn't want to sign with the Sens. He and Vegas knew what he wanted, so contract extension for easier.

CBJ aren't are playoff run and to give up the third overall is way too much to give up. And certainly Lindholm and Hanifan have no motivation to sign with a last place team. For the Flames to "tell" their two players to sign an extension so they can be traded.....well that doesn't likely happen. And what happens the two players get so pissed with the Flames they refuse to even talk extension.

Sorry, this has become a real bad trait on CF....trying to justify trades by including extensions.
30 mai 2023 à 17 h 37
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Verbal agreements cant be placed on contracts. and the buying team is under no incentive to overpay for them to be pre-signed


To quote Yogi Berra, "Verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they are written on."
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Yeah, I remember the Mark Stone situation. He was traded for what the 15th overalll and second rounder at trade deadline. Certainly not an unreasonable return for team (Vegas) on a Cup run.
Now Stone had reached a "financial agreement" with the Sens on his $$$ value, but just didn't want to sign with the Sens. He and Vegas knew what he wanted, so contract extension for easier.

CBJ aren't are playoff run and to give up the third overall is way too much to give up. And certainly Lindholm and Hanifan have no motivation to sign with a last place team. For the Flames to "tell" their two players to sign an extension so they can be traded.....well that doesn't likely happen. And what happens the two players get so pissed with the Flames they refuse to even talk extension.

Sorry, this has become a real bad trait on CF....trying to justify trades by including extensions.


At the time Brannstrom was one of the best prospects in the entire league. Probably the equivalent of a cutter Gauthier or Jiricek
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30 mai 2023 à 18 h 2
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Yeah, I remember the Mark Stone situation. He was traded for what the 15th overalll and second rounder at trade deadline.


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At the time Brannstrom was one of the best prospects in the entire league. Probably the equivalent of a cutter Gauthier or Jiricek


If you go back and read the ‘rumored’ price on Stone now, it’s crazy.

This from an earlier ACGM

“At the time of the deal, Stone was the NHL leader in Goals-above-Replacement (GAR) and the expectations were for a massive return for Ottawa. BOS, CGY, NSH, NYI and WPG were the most common teams linked to him before deadline. The asking price at the time was " four assets, including a first-round pick and an A-level prospect" according to Fourth Period. Pat Steinberg said the ask from Calgary was "multiple 1sts, one of Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington, and more". From others, Craig Custance said it was "at least two first-round picks" and more.

But the actual return was a lot less than expected since Stone was uncertain to sign and wanted top dollar. Erik Brannstrom, who at the time was The Athletic's 19th best from outside the NHL, and a pick in the late 2nd round.“
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30 mai 2023 à 18 h 19
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only guy I see CBJ trading that pick for is Pettersson
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30 mai 2023 à 18 h 19
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As good as Lindholm is I’ve learned he’s overrated on capfriendly. And no way does the 3OA get dealt for rentals.
30 mai 2023 à 18 h 24
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I'm honestly adverse to giving up 3rd ovr even if both players are extended (kinda a given if CBJ are trading for them anyway). Lindholm is a short term 1C, long term 2C ideally given his current age. I wouldn't be willing to move the best shot at a long term 1C in that deal. I'm willing to pay up on picks/prospects/youth for both players if Calgary decides to move them and wants that, but 3 isn't even up for discussion this offseason for me unless it's for Petty (not happening) or a trade down to 5 (if they decide they want Smith, hopefully not)
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30 mai 2023 à 18 h 51
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You know what team I could actually see do a Hanafin + Lindholm blockbuster

Carolina

Making an ACGM right now trying to piece it together but man Carolina could be really scary next year
30 mai 2023 à 20 h 40
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As good as Lindholm is I’ve learned he’s overrated on capfriendly. And no way does the 3OA get dealt for rentals.


Even in the article that started this the Author said it would need to be Lindholm + an asset to get the 3 OA. I'd prefer to keep Lindholm as he is one of the few two way centers that will age well (as opposed to Kadri). The only saving grace of the Kadri deal is that he will probably be on LTIR the last year's of his contract.
31 mai 2023 à 20 h 10
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Quoting: aadoyle
You know what team I could actually see do a Hanafin + Lindholm blockbuster

Carolina

Making an ACGM right now trying to piece it together but man Carolina could be really scary next year


The problem is that would be more of the same for them. They need a highly skilled offensive player.
31 mai 2023 à 20 h 18
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The problem is that would be more of the same for them. They need a highly skilled offensive player.


They can still go get that as Carolina got a lot of cap space rn and will get more next year

Like they can make this trade and still have space for someone like Tarasenko
1 juin 2023 à 20 h 2
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They can still go get that as Carolina got a lot of cap space rn and will get more next year

Like they can make this trade and still have space for someone like Tarasenko


Tarasenko doesn’t move the needle enough. They should target Keller
 
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