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Summer Tweaks cup or bust

Créé par: Tsalz
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 25 mai 2023
Publié: 25 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3775 000 $
2775 000 $
2775 000 $
2775 000 $
2775 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
33 000 000 $
2850 000 $
3775 000 $
2850 000 $
31 125 000 $
2850 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1800 000 $
11 000 000 $
1850 000 $
2775 000 $
1775 000 $
2775 000 $
34 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
2.
EDM
  1. Hartman, Ryan
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
MIN
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Scheifele, Mark (3 062 500 $ retained)
WPG
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Kulak, Brett
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
4.
EDM
  1. Miller, Colin (925 000 $ retained)
DAL
  1. Foegele, Warren
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (NSH)
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
Logo de VGK
Logo de WSH
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
2024
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
2025
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $83 080 000 $850 000 $1 500 000 $420 000 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 062 500 $3 062 500 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
850 000 $850 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 6
800 000 $800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
C
RFA - 2
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
850 000 $850 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
850 000 $850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Stars de Dallas
925 000 $925 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1

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25 mai 2023 à 12 h 33
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No from Winnipeg, even without retention.
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25 mai 2023 à 12 h 35
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why would Minnesota do this
25 mai 2023 à 12 h 35
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WPG says... NO.
25 mai 2023 à 12 h 39
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Quoting: Sens_Fan33
why would Minnesota do this


That one made me lol.
25 mai 2023 à 12 h 41
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Pens decline. Why would we pay for your cap dump?
25 mai 2023 à 12 h 42
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Quoting: Windjammer
No from Winnipeg, even without retention.


You're joking right jets take that and run

It's pretty much 2 firsts 1 second a 3rd and a defenseman that you could get another 3rd for
25 mai 2023 à 12 h 48
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You're joking right jets take that and run

It's pretty much 2 firsts 1 second a 3rd and a defenseman that you could get another 3rd for


Lol. The best piece is a first 3 drafts from now, along with a meh prospect, a bad contract and a couple nothing picks. It's a petty easy no. It would take at least one quality piece.
25 mai 2023 à 12 h 50
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Quoting: Windjammer
Lol. The best piece is a first 3 drafts from now, along with a meh prospect, a bad contract and a couple nothing picks. It's a petty easy no. It would take at least one quality piece.


If you think kulak is a bad contract you need to watch him play, and Winnipeg will take all the Center prospects they can with PLD out the door
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25 mai 2023 à 12 h 55
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If you think kulak is a bad contract you need to watch him play, and Winnipeg will take all the Center prospects they can with PLD out the door


He's an old LHD that isn't better than anything the Jets already have. He has no value to Winnipeg.

Bourgault is okay, he's just not a significant piece in a trade for a 40G 1C.

Rather than add a meh center prospect, the Jets just might as well keep the 40G 1C.
25 mai 2023 à 13 h 24
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I'm convinced that Minnesota wouldn't trade any two of those assets for that package. Yamamoto is worth a third, Ceci is worth a second at best. Wallstedt is likely to be the next Stuart Skinner. Hartman scored at the same rate as Evander Kane last season (which would have put him 5th on the Oilers among forwards) playing on a team that scored almost 100 fewer goals than Edmonton. Perhaps your lack of familiarity with him is why you have him centering the fourth line?
25 mai 2023 à 13 h 27
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Pens decline. Why would we pay for your cap dump?

Because he's not a cap dump? Of all the absurdities in this post, you had to pick the one sane thing to slag, didn't you.
25 mai 2023 à 13 h 37
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Funny thus guy is baiting/ trolling and everyone is falling for it.
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25 mai 2023 à 15 h 41
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Quoting: CD282
Because he's not a cap dump? Of all the absurdities in this post, you had to pick the one sane thing to slag, didn't you.


He absolutely is a cap dump. The OP even changed the trade lol. Let’s look at some comparable players.
Brock McGinn had only 9 less points (mostly assists), has the same cap hit and took a 3rd and taking back a contract to get rid of.
Kasperi Kapanen had 6 more points and only 450k more of a cap hit and had to be given away for free for someone to take him. And those were at the trade deadline where players tend to have more value.
25 mai 2023 à 16 h 29
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Quoting: Hockeyfan1234
He absolutely is a cap dump. The OP even changed the trade lol. Let’s look at some comparable players.
Brock McGinn had only 9 less points (mostly assists), has the same cap hit and took a 3rd and taking back a contract to get rid of.
Kasperi Kapanen had 6 more points and only 450k more of a cap hit and had to be given away for free for someone to take him. And those were at the trade deadline where players tend to have more value.


Warren Foegele scored at a 1st line rate while being paid like a 3rd liner. That's the opposite of a cap dump.

One of the best ways to compare players across the league is in 5v5 play, since it's (a) the most common game state by far and (b) equalizes inputs.

So here's how Foegele stacks up:

G/60: 0.93 (84th, tied with Panarin) 1st line rate
P/60: 2.09 (85th, tied with Tavares) 1st line rate
S/60: 9.36 (50th, tied with Cozens) 1st line rate
xG/60: 1.16 (9th, tied with Tavares) elite 1st line rate
SCF/60: 10.90 (23rd) elite 1st line rate
HDCF/60: 6.19 (8th), elite 1st line rate
Tka/60: 3.63 (3rd), elite 1st line rate
Hits/60: 7.11 (108th tied with Kreider) high 2nd line rate

Now consider that he spent just 8% of his TOI with McDavid this year. Foegele is a value contract.

[A little context for my stats. I took full season 5v5 stats and applied two filters: forwards only and minimun TOI of 495 minutes. That leaves us with the top 385 players by minutes played. Why 385? Because there are 32 teams and each with 12 regular forwards. 32 x 12 = 384, so pretty close. This way we can divide results by "1st line" (top 96 players), "2nd line" (97-192), etc. All stats are expressed as "per 60 minutes" to equalize for TOI differences.]
25 mai 2023 à 16 h 41
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Quoting: CD282
Warren Foegele scored at a 1st line rate while being paid like a 3rd liner. That's the opposite of a cap dump.

One of the best ways to compare players across the league is in 5v5 play, since it's (a) the most common game state by far and (b) equalizes inputs.

So here's how Foegele stacks up:

G/60: 0.93 (84th, tied with Panarin) 1st line rate
P/60: 2.09 (85th, tied with Tavares) 1st line rate
S/60: 9.36 (50th, tied with Cozens) 1st line rate
xG/60: 1.16 (9th, tied with Tavares) elite 1st line rate
SCF/60: 10.90 (23rd) elite 1st line rate
HDCF/60: 6.19 (8th), elite 1st line rate
Tka/60: 3.63 (3rd), elite 1st line rate
Hits/60: 7.11 (108th tied with Kreider) high 2nd line rate

Now consider that he spent just 8% of his TOI with McDavid this year. Foegele is a value contract.

[A little context for my stats. I took full season 5v5 stats and applied two filters: forwards only and minimun TOI of 495 minutes. That leaves us with the top 385 players by minutes played. Why 385? Because there are 32 teams and each with 12 regular forwards. 32 x 12 = 384, so pretty close. This way we can divide results by "1st line" (top 96 players), "2nd line" (97-192), etc. All stats are expressed as "per 60 minutes" to equalize for TOI differences.]


Wow they should get like 10 first rounders for him lol.
Y’all can keep your cap dump 😂
25 mai 2023 à 17 h 0
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Quoting: Hockeyfan1234
Wow they should get like 10 first rounders for him lol.
Y’all can keep your cap dump 😂

I'd like to. Chicago got a serious haul for a similar player (Hagel).
25 mai 2023 à 21 h 30
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I'd like to. Chicago got a serious haul for a similar player (Hagel).


Lol you’re obviously a troll if you think Hagel and Foegele are similar players 😂
 
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