bro thought he could sneak in seguin

I am fairly certain you have to have the player longer to get the 8th year.

I think he means a sign and trade...

It starts with hintz for Matthews

Then this is overly complicated and definitely favors Dallas. Matthews is worth more than Robertson it's not debatable and it's a wide margin between the two. The rest doesn't matter. Liljegren is better than Lunqvist, Seguin and Murray are cap dumps and Haakanpa doesn't matter. A late 1st next year doesn't sweeten the pot enough. TO would get better offers for a signed Matthews.

And it would go up a great deal from there.

Agreed... if we are giving up a signed Matthews (a top 5 player in the world), it's going to be a lot more than just Roberston and a late 1st

Hard to argue he’s a top 5 player anymore. He had a down season where he was barely over a point per game, he continues to now show up in the playoffs when he’s needed, and it seems more and more like he needs to play with a good playmaker in order to produce.. tough ti even call him a top 10 player right now

Then, list the order of the best players until you get to 5 players after Matthews and then we can bring up how he is a top 5 player in this league

Let’s be honest - if Toronto opts to trade Matthews then it becomes on full on rebuild. The rest of the core moved could be considered a retool, but trading your franchise centre and #1 goal scorer signals a rebuild. So with that being said..

1. The primary goal is to get younger and acquire picks.
2. The will not attach Matt Murray’s name to the deal as a negative value. Only way Murray is involved is if the team has genuine interest in him, they’ll get max value out of Matthews.
3. The likely wouldn’t take on a long term cap problem contract like Seguin. It’s more likely the retain 50% for the 1 season than take on Seguin’s cap for 3 years.

A deal like this starts with Wyatt Johnston. A good, young, goal scoring centre with upside to be a top line guy. At least one other good prospect or young player would be involved, I’m thinking the likes of Thomas Harley or Mavrik Bourque, and multiple 1st round picks. I could see a bit of a cap neutralizer player as well because of Matthews high cap hit, but that would be more of a guy like Faksa than Seguin.

So it’s more like:

Matthews for Johnston, Harley, Faksa, 2 1st round picks

Can easily name 10 of the top of my head.

In no particular order..

McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Matthew Tkachuk, Pastrnak, Rantanen, Point, Crosby, Marner, then you could argue Matthews.

And that’s not even mentioning defenceman which would drop Matthews down a few spots

#6 on my latest list after macdavid, drai, makar, mack and kucherov. i hesitated a lot bewteen macvoy and matthews but its so hard to compare position. anyway weather you are number 5 or 7 in leaugue is subjective and pointless. matthews is hella good and thats all that matters.

Nope if it's an offseason deal. At deadline, yes.

Robo's better though. Yea Hintz is having insane playoffs but individually speaking Robo > Hintz.

Key point here is turning Matthews into two guys able to play top-6 role, you get a Top5 winger in the league and a 2C. Seguin is overpaid yeah, but he's no cap dump, he will be a 20-25 goal, 55-60 point scorer for an offensive team like Toronto. Putting him to the same pile as Murray is dumb imo.

He was injured this year and still scored 40 and was a point a game and carried the team vs Tampa. This is typical slander to lower the price. He's a hart and 2 time rocket winner

Blah blah blah.. is he injured every playoff too? He’s paid $12m to score goals, especially when his team needs him the most. It’s not been 7 years of him not doing that. Idk how much more people need to see to realize that he’s not the guy to build around.

Seguin isn't a top 6 player and is paid way too much. It's a win for you. Getting Matthews will hurt but it'll be worth it. You are feeling fantastic after this one. You get out from under a truly bad contract and get a top 3 player in the world.

22 goals and 44 points in 50 playoff games is hardly a no show. You guys are just clowns. Slander the player to lower his value so you feel even better when you get him for half his value.

Lol. You really think talk from fans on a forum lowers his value? Chill out man.

Depends how you want to approach this. Personally, I think Leafs need a shock to their system. Individually speaking the team is absolute filled with superior talent, but they just seem unable to make things work when it comes to playoff hockey. Imo trading one of the big four sends a message that while they find the current goal to be winning the cup, the current way things are going isn't found acceptable. Personally, I'd look to find either Matthews or Nylander for two guys able to play top-6 role, a D-man and some futures. Matthews is the one getting a higher package of the two, hence he's being included.

I don't believe the top core of Robertson-Tavares-Marner and Knies-Seguin-Nylander is going to be much, much weaker than what they got now. Plus they've got ample cap space to sign UFAs, and keep guys like ROR and Bunting around too.

They can approach this issue via rebuild too, but at this stage I find it dumb. They just played the best year in 20 years, but it still wasn't enough.

& for the record, Roope Hintz makes just over $3m less than Matthews does and has almost the same production.

You want to argue McDavid (as much as I disagree with you) fair, Mack and Drai are also fair. You also want to argue Makar, I'll give you that but besides that, there's not one player better than Matthews. I will counter you on every critique that could be used in a argument against each of those players above except for McDavid, Draisaitl, Mack and Makar because they are the other 4 that most people would put in the top 5:

Kucherov: Playoff performance: 2022-23 playoffs, RD. 1: was invisible the entire time.

Matthew Tkachuk: Playoff performance: every other playoff series except for 2022-23, RD. 1 and 3: much like Kucherov, was invisible in RD. 2 to the point where I though he was hurt

David Pasternak: Doesn't play tough, lack of defence, makes him easy to expose as FLO's defence did as the series went on

Rantenen: Doesn't play "playoff style hockey", has so much talent around him like Mack and Makar

Point: Didn't show up in this year's and last year's playoff (5 points in 9 games and 4 points in 7 games)

Crosby: Injury prone: He's 35 and has had at least 3 major concussions that we know of

Marner: disappears in the playoffs, lack of defence (before you say that he's nominated for the Selke; did he deserve it? Or is it a narrative the media trying to push? (Matthews, Barkov, Kopitar are better defensive players and yet they didn't get nominated... doesn't mean they are bad at defence)

He needs players to step up with him... jut like if there was no Drasaitl, the same narrative would have been applied to McDavid

I'd count a 50+ point player a Top-6 guy, but he's not worth his cap hit, that much I agree with. And it's not like losing Robo doesn't hurt either, he's the best forward in the entire team. I'd feel very concerned after the trade, especially since Matthews is notoriously known for disappearing in the most important games.

Matthews at his best is a Top3 player in the world, and a package like this would only be moved for a guy like that. BUT what he brought in this year wasn't a Top3 player's performance, hell, it wasn't even Top20. Robertson was better than Matthews this year.