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Massive draft day swing

Créé par: Mediumyeet
Équipe: 2023-24 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 18 mai 2023
Publié: 18 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
2875 000 $
1875 000 $
22 500 000 $
2850 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
66 500 000 $
55 500 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Carlsson, Leo
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Merzlikins, Elvis
  2. Roslovic, Jack
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CBJ)
Détails additionnels:
3rd OA: Leo Carlsson
CBJ
  1. Demko, Thatcher
  2. Miller, J.T.
  3. Räty, Aatu
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
11th OA
2.
DET
  1. Myers, Tyler (2 500 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2385 500 000 $77 371 250 $850 000 $880 000 $8 128 750 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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7 350 000 $7 350 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Carlsson, Leo
925 000 $925 000 $
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
6 650 000 $6 650 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
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875 000 $875 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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825 000 $825 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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883 750 $883 750 $
C
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 8
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
5 400 000 $5 400 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
786 111 $786 111 $ (Bonis de performance30 000 $$30K)
G
RFA - 1
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850 000 $850 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 20
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Consider me intrigued... Moreso if Elvis were shipped elsewhere because I'm ready for a stop gap (Varlamov?) until #SilvosSZN.
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 24
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Horrendous trade for Vancouver
18 mai 2023 à 16 h 26
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I don't thiiiink the Canucks should do this. Carlsson is immensely good, but Merzlinkins contract is too much of an anchor, and he is too much of a downgrade. They would be stuck with him for 4 more seasons..
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 27
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
Consider me intrigued... Moreso if Elvis were shipped elsewhere because I'm ready for a stop gap (Varlamov?) until #SilvosSZN.


I would just use Merzlikins as the stop gap. Him and Silovs are both Latvian so he will be a good mentor. Silovs will be cheap for a while and they can tandem.
18 mai 2023 à 16 h 28
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Quoting: YesThisIsFlo
I don't thiiiink the Canucks should do this. Carlsson is immensely good, but Merzlinkins contract is too much of an anchor, and he is too much of a downgrade. They would be stuck with him for 4 more seasons..


It's a big swing but could set them up for long term success with Petey and Carlsson down the middle if Carlsson really hits. Have to offer a lot and take back some question marks like Merzlikins in order to move up and draft a guy with as much talent as Carlsson.
18 mai 2023 à 16 h 34
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Pettersson or not interested in trading 3rd OA.
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 40
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Quoting: dk325
Pettersson or not interested in trading 3rd OA.


Pettersson costs at minimum 2 of Johnson/Jiricek/3rd OA plus one or two other solid pieces
18 mai 2023 à 16 h 41
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There is no way in hell Columbus is doing this when they could have a cost-controlled franchise centerman.

Change 3OA to the LAK 1st and maybe add a 3rd and this could be close to fair value. Still don't think Columbus does it though because of Miller's age and contract length.
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 43
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Quoting: mv21227
Pettersson costs at minimum 2 of Johnson/Jiricek/3rd OA plus one or two other solid pieces


I might do Johnson, 3OA. and Ceulemans for Petey, but I'm a little scared by the idea of giving up Johnson because I think he's headed towards being a superstar.
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 45
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JT Miller has negative value to the jackets. Not a chance in hell they consider this. Petey is only piece the Canucks have that get the 3OA so don’t bother unless he’s included
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 47
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Quoting: mv21227
Pettersson costs at minimum 2 of Johnson/Jiricek/3rd OA plus one or two other solid pieces


Maybe 3OA and Johnson if he comes extended long term at 10 million AAV
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 49
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Quoting: SK101
JT Miller has negative value to the jackets. Not a chance in hell they consider this. Petey is only piece the Canucks have that get the 3OA so don’t bother unless he’s included


Must be a real shame that CBJ signed Gaudreau then for 1.75mil more than Miller. Seems dumb to sign a negative value UFA. To each their own I guess.
18 mai 2023 à 16 h 50
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I'm intruigued by the bones of that trade, but there's no way you're prying 3OA from Jarmo, and I just can't see him having an interest in JT Miller because of his age and the relative age of the rest of the Jackets (everyone but Jonny and Jenner are under 25). Maybe something like Demko+Raty (no picks required) for Elvis+22OA+Roslovic+(insert further negotiation here to balance).
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18 mai 2023 à 16 h 59
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Must be a real shame that CBJ signed Gaudreau then for 1.75mil more than Miller. Seems dumb to sign a negative value UFA. To each their own I guess.


Johnny will be two years younger than JT when his deal expires
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18 mai 2023 à 17 h 2
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Quoting: SK101
Johnny will be two years younger than JT when his deal expires


They're the same age (5 months apart) and Johnny's contract finishes a year before Miller's.

Do you consider Johnny a negative value asset to CBJ?
18 mai 2023 à 17 h 35
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
They're the same age (5 months apart) and Johnny's contract finishes a year before Miller's.

Do you consider Johnny a negative value asset to CBJ?


Missing the point. Gaudreau’s contract is two years shorter which makes his better bc the less risk of regression. Sorry to say this but in order to get rid of Miller’s contract, Van will have to eat at least 30% of it to get teams interested in offering something of value.
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18 mai 2023 à 18 h 2
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Canucks add in a 3rd to take Myers contract
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18 mai 2023 à 18 h 10
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Vancouver would have to pay for someone to take the Myers contract
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18 mai 2023 à 18 h 37
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Quoting: YesThisIsFlo
I don't thiiiink the Canucks should do this. Carlsson is immensely good, but Merzlinkins contract is too much of an anchor, and he is too much of a downgrade. They would be stuck with him for 4 more seasons..


But that isn't the problem with this trade I'm sure Vancouver would do this in a heartbeat. The problem is getting CBJ to accept it.
18 mai 2023 à 18 h 38
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Vancouver would have to pay for someone to take the Myers contract


as long as he is traded after his bonus paid it isn't all that bad.
18 mai 2023 à 19 h 11
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Quoting: aedoran
But that isn't the problem with this trade I'm sure Vancouver would do this in a heartbeat. The problem is getting CBJ to accept it.


Maybe, I think CBJ would accept it.

- Miller fits with Gaudreau's timeline, and hes a huge upgrade on Roslovic.

- Demko fixes their goalie situation immediately, and they get to dump a massive anchor.

- Raty is a strong prospect, middle 6 C potential.

All for the cost of moving down 8 spots, and while Carlsson looks to be a stud, they have a massive prospect pool already and will get an impact forward at 11 still.
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18 mai 2023 à 20 h 14
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Maybe, I think CBJ would accept it.

- Miller fits with Gaudreau's timeline, and hes a huge upgrade on Roslovic.

- Demko fixes their goalie situation immediately, and they get to dump a massive anchor.

- Raty is a strong prospect, middle 6 C potential.

All for the cost of moving down 8 spots, and while Carlsson looks to be a stud, they have a massive prospect pool already and will get an impact forward at 11 still.


A team playing Miller at 1c is going nowhere at all. A team with Leo Carlsson might go somewhere in 2025. And good luck selling that trade to a fanbase who hoped for Bedard and then fell to third after the worst season in their 23-year history. Not worth the PR nightmare.
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18 mai 2023 à 21 h 53
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Quoting: Jacketsman61
Missing the point. Gaudreau’s contract is two years shorter which makes his better bc the less risk of regression. Sorry to say this but in order to get rid of Miller’s contract, Van will have to eat at least 30% of it to get teams interested in offering something of value.


It's not 2 years shorter it's one year shorter lol. Nobody wants to answer the question of whether Gaudreau is a negative value asset which speaks volumes.
18 mai 2023 à 23 h 28
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
It's not 2 years shorter it's one year shorter lol. Nobody wants to answer the question of whether Gaudreau is a negative value asset which speaks volumes.


Gaudreau is a much better player than Miller. Miller’s contract is not good. Maybe he defies the odds and is productive throughout, but other teams are not going to ante up on a contract that odds are will turn into an albatross. The Jackets aren’t shopping Gaudreau…
18 mai 2023 à 23 h 31
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
It's not 2 years shorter it's one year shorter lol. Nobody wants to answer the question of whether Gaudreau is a negative value asset which speaks volumes.


I don't think Gaudreau's contract is negative value yet., but may be in the last 2 years of his contract.
My biggest issue with Miller is that he has been playing more wing than Center since he went to Vancouver.
He is a good player, but is probably better suited to stay on the wing and the Jackets don't really need any wings.
I think we would rather take our chances on Carlsson or Johnson panning out as a 1C.
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