To all wings fans do you want trouba after this read at 8M chariot part 2? Mo is 9+ and Lucas 6-7 next year too. This is an article written by a rangers beat writer
Rangers fans, is this accurate?
I’ve absolutely had it with the intangibles discussion in hockey. Harping on non-measurable traits is a cop-out for poor talent evaluators to cling to outdated philosophies on the skillsets that matter. It’s great everyone likes Jacob Trouba, that he’s a swell guy.
He stinks at hockey.
That’s the end of the discussion for me.
Trouba has repeatedly shown an inability to make high level hockey plays. He was repeatedly too slow to catch up to Devil skaters, knocked off of pucks in his own zone, fired terrible shots into legs, at the glass and into the chest of the goalies.
The tangible impact Trouba has on the components of actually playing hockey: Offense, defense and transition are middling. He’s an average NHL defensemen who once had 50 points in a season on a good Winnipeg Jets team.
The Rangers’ as an organization have for whatever reason prioritized non-measurable traits and are getting what they deserve. Not only was Trouba ineffective as a hockey player, he was ineffective as a leader.
Hiring a player’s coach like Gallant means that it’s incumbent upon the veterans on the team to police poor play and lead the way by example.
Instead they get violent hits that feed a primitive hunger for bloodlust. The hockey men love Trouba because he’s a callback to the hockey they grew up watching and playing. He’s tall, he’s American, he’s well spoken. He’s the quintessential good American boy.
But, underneath all of that, Trouba wants to win. Being that he can’t influence the game by trying to play offense or defense, he has to throw predatory hits on susceptible opponents.
Don’t give me clean hit. I don’t care. No, it wasn’t a penalty, it won’t receive supplemental discipline, by rule, it’s clean. I don’t care. The only reason Trouba is throwing that hit on Devils’ winger Timo Meier is because he can’t do anything else to influence the game.
If he could make a positive offensive play or skate into good position to take away Meier’s ice to spring the team going the other way, he would.
Instead, Trouba has to feel like he’s contributing to the team. So he throws those brutal hits on guys who aren’t even looking. The “have your head up rhetoric,” is asinine. It’s the exact same rhetoric the gun lobby uses to justify arming the country to the teeth.
“Don’t be a victim,” they exclaim, “defend yourself.”
Trouba tucks his elbow in and uses his shoulder to inflict a car accident level impact in a 2-0 game. Notice how Trouba throws these hits in situations where he can hide behind the guise of “firing up the team.”
You know what would fire up the team?
A successful zone exit and a possession in the offensive zone that didn’t end in a shot that hit someone in the eighth row of the lower bowl.
I don’t particularly care that this is the way hockey has always been. To quote George Carlin “We made them up, like the Boogeyman, we can change them whenever we want.” Sure, Carlin was discussing the Bill of Rights, but the point remains.
Hockey doesn’t need to be ignorant of traumatic head injuries to provide entertainment. This is entertainment, pretending these types of plays are an unavoidable component of hockey is ignorant and reinforcing a victim blaming philosphy.
Naming Trouba captain was a validation of the 2021-2022 season. That he would be able to shepherd the group out of any trouble. Without a tactically competent coach, it was on Trouba and the rest of the leadership group to establish the right mindset and attitude for the entire season.
Instead, we got a season of “just wait for the playoffs,” you’ll see. Kinda like how I’m still waiting for Trouba the defensive defenseman to show up.
I usually greatly disagree with Zararis. I think he is a hack and for me the article this was a part of proves it for me. Sure Trouba may not be worth his 8m AAV, but he is still a good defenseman. When things are going well, Rangers fans and writers praise their team, but when they lose, the sky is falling, and all the high prices players all of a sudden stink. It is exhausting.
Also, I would not trade Trouba for a 2nd and a 3rd. That's not enough.
You can be sure that no Eastern Conference team is going to help the Rangers with their cap. Now maybe if the Wings like Trouba at let's says 6m (Rangers retain 2m) the Wings give up 7th rounder
I usually greatly disagree with Zararis. I think he is a hack and for me the article this was a part of proves it for me. Sure Trouba may not be worth his 8m AAV, but he is still a good defenseman. When things are going well, Rangers fans and writers praise their team, but when they lose, the sky is falling, and all the high prices players all of a sudden stink. It is exhausting.
Also, I would not trade Trouba for a 2nd and a 3rd. That's not enough.
The issue is whether you can get better value for 8m in other player(s) for 8m. If you can, then a return for Trouba is rather meaningless. The Rangers have absolutely no leverage with Trouba's NTC.
Your take on Trouba is a little off. There's nothing wrong with him as a player. He's a fine 2nd pairing D man and at 4-5 million a year, he's absolutely fine. The issue is he's not paid that and it hamstrings the Ranger roster. He'd be a great addition for a team that needs backend toughness and leadership. He could really make Mo a beast because Trouba is the biggest hitting defenseman in the game. Issue is he holds 0 value right now. New Yor won't pay to move their captain and no one else will pay to take on that deal. If there was only a single year left, I could see someone taking that on. But not with that much term left, he makes 1.5 million less than Adam Fox
I hope Nick wrote this from his safe space with his comfort animal near by. I suggest he stop watching hockey if legal physical contact upsets him so and watch pickle ball instead. Meanwhile, the Rangers will be happy to keep paying Trouba to do what he does and no thanks on that trade offer.
Your take on Trouba is a little off. There's nothing wrong with him as a player. He's a fine 2nd pairing D man and at 4-5 million a year, he's absolutely fine. The issue is he's not paid that and it hamstrings the Ranger roster. He'd be a great addition for a team that needs backend toughness and leadership. He could really make Mo a beast because Trouba is the biggest hitting defenseman in the game. Issue is he holds 0 value right now. New Yor won't pay to move their captain and no one else will pay to take on that deal. If there was only a single year left, I could see someone taking that on. But not with that much term left, he makes 1.5 million less than Adam Fox
This wasn't my take this was a ranger beat writer. I was just putting it out there to see if ranger fans agree and if wings fan still want him at 8M with all these cons
I hope Nick wrote this from his safe space with his comfort animal near by. I suggest he stop watching hockey if legal physical contact upsets him so and watch pickle ball instead. Meanwhile, the Rangers will be happy to keep paying Trouba to do what he does and no thanks on that trade offer.
To be fair I don't want him at any price, this is just what ranger and wings fans have semi-agreed to on this site. This was just to see if wings still want trouba after reading this and if ranger fans think it's accurate
To be fair I don't want him at any price, this is just what ranger and wings fans have semi-agreed to on this site. This was just to see if wings still want trouba after reading this and if ranger fans think it's accurate
That's fine, like I said, the Rangers are happy to keep him.
To be fair I don't want him at any price, this is just what ranger and wings fans have semi-agreed to on this site. This was just to see if wings still want trouba after reading this and if ranger fans think it's accurate
What is most telling about Nick's opinion of Trouba's hits is he points out the Hit on Timo as if it was a problem for the game of hockey, yet, you know who wasn't upset by the hit and actually told Trouba is was a good hit......Timo himself, because he is a hockey player and not a want to be hockey player like this silly beat writer.
I usually greatly disagree with Zararis. I think he is a hack and for me the article this was a part of proves it for me. Sure Trouba may not be worth his 8m AAV, but he is still a good defenseman. When things are going well, Rangers fans and writers praise their team, but when they lose, the sky is falling, and all the high prices players all of a sudden stink. It is exhausting.
Also, I would not trade Trouba for a 2nd and a 3rd. That's not enough.
That’s enough for trouba. If he waived I don’t think he’d even get that good of an offer. First thing he isn’t waiving his no trade clause or not until his wife is finished up her medical school stuff. Second he’s not that good with a horrible contract a second and third is prob too much to give for him.
I hope Nick wrote this from his safe space with his comfort animal near by. I suggest he stop watching hockey if legal physical contact upsets him so and watch pickle ball instead. Meanwhile, the Rangers will be happy to keep paying Trouba to do what he does and no thanks on that trade offer.
Yes! I don’t know who Nick is but this hits the nail on the head
To be fair I don't want him at any price, this is just what ranger and wings fans have semi-agreed to on this site. This was just to see if wings still want trouba after reading this and if ranger fans think it's accurate
Reading this doesn’t change my opinion at all haha. Some hack writer berating a player matters zero to my opinion. I would take Trouba. I wouldn’t pay a hefty price for him but I would pay a 2nd and 3rd
Reading this doesn’t change my opinion at all haha. Some hack writer berating a player matters zero to my opinion. I would take Trouba. I wouldn’t pay a hefty price for him but I would pay a 2nd and 3rd
Mo + Raymond + Larkin extension and upgrading the team means they don't have as much cap in future years. I wouldn't want him for anything more then 5
I know they have less so I’m not saying to uselessly throw it away. But I can’t see Raymond getting as high an aav on an 8 year deal as some think. Likely either reasonable (less than Stutzle by a fair bit) or a bridge. Then if you aren’t signing a bunch of ufa’s to big contracts we still have plenty of room and Trouba at 8 keeps us disciplined as to how we spend our money. Once his 3 years are up, potentially we will be paying more to Edvinsson, other D, Berggren etc. but I think up to that point I wouldn’t be worried about it
I know they have less so I’m not saying to uselessly throw it away. But I can’t see Raymond getting as high an aav on an 8 year deal as some think. Likely either reasonable (less than Stutzle by a fair bit) or a bridge. Then if you aren’t signing a bunch of ufa’s to big contracts we still have plenty of room and Trouba at 8 keeps us disciplined as to how we spend our money. Once his 3 years are up, potentially we will be paying more to Edvinsson, other D, Berggren etc. but I think up to that point I wouldn’t be worried about it
I hear ya, I just don't like trouba, especially for that price I guess. I think there are way better options and don't want to get saddled with chariot part 2
I hear ya, I just don't like trouba, especially for that price I guess. I think there are way better options and don't want to get saddled with chariot part 2
Yeah that’s fair. Tell me you don’t hate him as much as this writer though please haha. I’m not going to say he plays up to the 8mil. But, I do strongly disagree with the writer on Trouba bringing more elements. Toughness and defensive play. Would be a really nice partner for someone like Edvinsson to grow up with. Does a good job in front of the net, will stand up for his teammates, stays at home, etc.
Yeah that’s fair. Tell me you don’t hate him as much as this writer though please haha. I’m not going to say he plays up to the 8mil. But, I do strongly disagree with the writer on Trouba bringing more elements. Toughness and defensive play. Would be a really nice partner for someone like Edvinsson to grow up with. Does a good job in front of the net, will stand up for his teammates, stays at home, etc.
I dislike him enough that I wouldn't want him on my team for more then 4M, but not as much as the writer no lol