The worst move we can make

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Quoting: ashleyschaeffer

The worst move would be hiring Jim Rutherford then Ron Hextall as GMs.

Nah they can’t possibly do that right??

14 mai 2023 à 18 h 39

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@pensfan21 I think moving our ‘23 first would be the worst move period, or paying a fortune to dump Granlund like half of these Joe blows have us doing in their acgms

Also worth noting signing any free agent above the age of 30 to big money for longer than 4 years is going to end up being a nightmare to be reckoned with when rebuild time comes

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14 mai 2023 à 18 h 43

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At least JR won 2 Cups.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 1

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Quoting: MorHitzSeider

At least JR won 2 Cups.

Listen I respect JR a ton, 100% understand him giving up all the 1sts. We were no doubt in win now mode. But thanks to Hextall, I don't think we can afford trading any 1sts anymore

14 mai 2023 à 19 h 2

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Quoting: Pensman69

pensfan21 I think moving our ‘23 first would be the worst move period, or paying a fortune to dump Granlund like half of these Joe blows have us doing in their acgms

Also worth noting signing any free agent above the age of 30 to big money for longer than 4 years is going to end up being a nightmare to be reckoned with when rebuild time comes

Agree completely. Makes no sense to trade Granlund packaged with picks when we can just buy him out. But yeah 2023 1st would be completely off limits for me

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 2

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Quoting: pensfan21

Listen I respect JR a ton, 100% understand him giving up all the 1sts. We were no doubt in win now mode. But thanks to Hextall, I don't think we can afford trading any 1sts anymore

Well the Pens should certainly keep this year's 1st. 14OA.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 5

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Quoting: MorHitzSeider

Well the Pens should certainly keep this year's 1st. 14OA.

Oh but how dare you try to tell most Pens fans that because they are still stuck in 2016 and think we are a first round value player away from a championship team (which under no circumstance is true)

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 6

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Quoting: Pensman69

Oh but how dare you try to tell most Pens fans that because they are still stuck in 2016 and think we are a first round value player away from a championship team (which under no circumstance is true)

Believe me. I've been there. Red Wings fans were in the same denial from 2010 to 2016. ☹️

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 7

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Agree completely. Makes no sense to trade Granlund packaged with picks when we can just buy him out. But yeah 2023 1st would be completely off limits for me

Funniest part is people will actually think that it’s in the teams best interest to spend not 1 but 2 SECOND ROUND picks revolving around Granlund. One for the trade and another to dump him after he’s only played 20ish games? Absolutely brainless if you ask me.

I would hope to see us let him have a full off-season and training camp and see what he can do and in the worst case, buy him out if the new GM sees different visions. Though I’d he absolutely heated if we spend more assets to get rid of him that’s just foolish and it bothers me that so many people on this site genuinely think that’s what’s in our best interest. Comical.

I’ve not been this excited for a Penguins draft in quite a long time. 14th OA, deep draft, chance at a promising A prospect for years to come. It’s exciting. And it’s going to stay that way because we aren’t moving that pick as we shouldn’t.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 8

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I think they should 100% have the conversations with Malkin and Crosby about what teams they would waive to and work on a rebuild. Crosby half retained to Edmonton would be amazing to see. Malkin to Colorado would be a great fit. Those conversations need to be had. If Malkin and Crosby don't want to, then fair enough but I think it is best for Pittsburgh (and the players) if they move from those guys this year. Their trade value will be super high.

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while i do agree that we should not move our 1st for a goalie, Pick 14 should be moved in a trade back in order to re coup a few mid round picks while we build through FA

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 9

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Quoting: Pensman69

Funniest part is people will actually think that it’s in the teams best interest to spend not 1 but 2 SECOND ROUND picks revolving around Granlund. One for the trade and another to dump him after he’s only played 20ish games? Absolutely brainless if you ask me.

I would hope to see us let him have a full off-season and training camp and see what he can do and in the worst case, buy him out if the new GM sees different visions. Though I’d he absolutely heated if we spend more assets to get rid of him that’s just foolish and it bothers me that so many people on this site genuinely think that’s what’s in our best interest. Comical.

I’ve not been this excited for a Penguins draft in quite a long time. 14th OA, deep draft, chance at a promising A prospect for years to come. It’s exciting. And it’s going to stay that way because we aren’t moving that pick as we shouldn’t.

Shiny Toy Syndrome. Jimmy R spoiled Pens fans by giving you shiny toys to play with. It's still expected by much of your fanbase.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 10

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

I think they should 100% have the conversations with Malkin and Crosby about what teams they would waive to and work on a rebuild. Crosby half retained to Edmonton would be amazing to see. Malkin to Colorado would be a great fit. Those conversations need to be had. If Malkin and Crosby don't want to, then fair enough but I think it is best for Pittsburgh (and the players) if they move from those guys this year. Their trade value will be super high.

No, IDC if it hurts the rebuild and all. Crosby, Geno and Letang need to retire as penguins, if you think otherwise you aren't a real pens fan

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 11

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Quoting: Pensfan303

while i do agree that we should not move our 1st for a goalie, Pick 14 should be moved in a trade back in order to re coup a few mid round picks while we build through FA

I’ve been a big fan of this idea for a while now, I would be up for it but under the right circumstance. Though their is so much talent in this draft and at our draft spot that going best player available would be the most secure option for us at 14 OA.

14 mai 2023 à 19 h 13

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No, IDC if it hurts the rebuild and all. Crosby, Geno and Letang need to retire as penguins, if you think otherwise you aren't a real pens fan

I am a Leafs fan. But I stand by my comments. As a fan of hockey I don't want the last few years of Crosby and Geno being on a super mediocre team and missing the playoffs. That's what Pittsburgh looks to be right now in almost every scenario. I want to see Crosby and Gino each have super good runs to finish off their careers.

I get wanting to keep them and not wanting to see them gone, but I do think it's best case scenario for all parties involved.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 13

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Quoting: Pensman69

I’ve been a big fan of this idea for a while now, I would be up for it but under the right circumstance. Though their is so much talent in this draft and at our draft spot that going best player available would be the most secure option for us at 14 OA.

The way our prospect pool is, If we can get a mid 20's 1st and let's say a 2nd and 3rd or something like that, I would 100% go for it since it's a really deep draft.

14 mai 2023 à 19 h 14

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Funniest part is people will actually think that it’s in the teams best interest to spend not 1 but 2 SECOND ROUND picks revolving around Granlund. One for the trade and another to dump him after he’s only played 20ish games? Absolutely brainless if you ask me.

I would hope to see us let him have a full off-season and training camp and see what he can do and in the worst case, buy him out if the new GM sees different visions. Though I’d he absolutely heated if we spend more assets to get rid of him that’s just foolish and it bothers me that so many people on this site genuinely think that’s what’s in our best interest. Comical.

I’ve not been this excited for a Penguins draft in quite a long time. 14th OA, deep draft, chance at a promising A prospect for years to come. It’s exciting. And it’s going to stay that way because we aren’t moving that pick as we shouldn’t.

I do agree that I'd rather keep him than trade tons of assets to get rid of him. I don't want to come off as arrogant or anything, I make tons of stupid moves and trades on here myself, but man I cringe whenever I see him being traded with a 1st. Like you said, we aren't one trade away from being a contender. Keeping/getting rid of Granlund won't make that much of a difference at all in the grand scheme of things. To me the ceiling next year is first round playoff loss. I really hope I'm wrong, but I for sure cannot imagine a GM coming in and trading that 1st for a goalie or a cap dump. Couldn't really imagine a GM trading it at all after seeing our prospect pool and how far away our current roster is.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 14

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while i do agree that we should not move our 1st for a goalie, Pick 14 should be moved in a trade back in order to re coup a few mid round picks while we build through FA

For me it depends whose available at 14. If there's a player that they think could be a true difference maker I'd take them. If not then yeah doesn't hurt to recoup some picks

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

I think they should 100% have the conversations with Malkin and Crosby about what teams they would waive to and work on a rebuild. Crosby half retained to Edmonton would be amazing to see. Malkin to Colorado would be a great fit. Those conversations need to be had. If Malkin and Crosby don't want to, then fair enough but I think it is best for Pittsburgh (and the players) if they move from those guys this year. Their trade value will be super high.

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No, IDC if it hurts the rebuild and all. Crosby, Geno and Letang need to retire as penguins, if you think otherwise you aren't a real pens fan

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I think they should 100% have the conversations with Malkin and Crosby about what teams they would waive to and work on a rebuild. Crosby half retained to Edmonton would be amazing to see. Malkin to Colorado would be a great fit. Those conversations need to be had. If Malkin and Crosby don't want to, then fair enough but I think it is best for Pittsburgh (and the players) if they move from those guys this year. Their trade value will be super high.

I see where you both are coming from. IMO they should have the opportunity to retire as Penguins if they wish, but I also don't think we should prolong the rebuild if it's clear that it's time. Personally I think it is, but I also understand why people want to give it one more shot with a new GM. If we miss playoffs or are out first round again next season, I'm sitting down with all of them and saying were rebuilding. At that point I'd ask whether they want to stay for it or not. So I'm somewhere in the middle, give them the chance to determine their personal futures, but make the decision to rebuild independent of that. I think it's a very fair compromise given that we will need to rebuild very soon and also given how much they mean to the city.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 18

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I do agree that I'd rather keep him than trade tons of assets to get rid of him. I don't want to come off as arrogant or anything, I make tons of stupid moves and trades on here myself, but man I cringe whenever I see him being traded with a 1st. Like you said, we aren't one trade away from being a contender. Keeping/getting rid of Granlund won't make that much of a difference at all in the grand scheme of things. To me the ceiling next year is first round playoff loss. I really hope I'm wrong, but I for sure cannot imagine a GM coming in and trading that 1st for a goalie or a cap dump. Couldn't really imagine a GM trading it at all after seeing our prospect pool and how far away our current roster is.

Yea no I can’t see us moving that pick for anything other then to recoup more picks. I just can’t wait for the days to finally come where we actually do have a stacked prospect pool and the team looks promising again

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Quoting: TMLBRIAN

I am a Leafs fan. But I stand by my comments. As a fan of hockey I don't want the last few years of Crosby and Geno being on a super mediocre team and missing the playoffs. That's what Pittsburgh looks to be right now in almost every scenario. I want to see Crosby and Gino each have super good runs to finish off their careers.

I get wanting to keep them and not wanting to see them gone, but I do think it's best case scenario for all parties involved.

If they want the chance to contend for another cup they've earned it. Selfishly I want them to stay, but when we gotta rebuild we gotta not waste time and do it. And if they dont want to stay for it then they've earned that right, as much as I might hate it

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 20

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Yea no I can’t see us moving that pick for anything other then to recoup more picks. I just can’t wait for the days to finally come where we actually do have a stacked prospect pool and the team looks promising again

Me too. Everyone wants to just contend right now and destroy the future. But this is just the cycle of every dynasty. Personally, I'm also very excited to see us with great up and coming prospects. Even though we will be bad for a few years, it will be exciting to watch the young talent play and see who emerges as the future of the team

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 20

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I see where you both are coming from. IMO they should have the opportunity to retire as Penguins if they wish, but I also don't think we should prolong the rebuild if it's clear that it's time. Personally I think it is, but I also understand why people want to give it one more shot with a new GM. If we miss playoffs or are out first round again next season, I'm sitting down with all of them and saying were rebuilding. At that point I'd ask whether they want to stay for it or not. So I'm somewhere in the middle, give them the chance to determine their personal futures, but make the decision to rebuild independent of that. I think it's a very fair compromise given that we will need to rebuild very soon and also given how much they mean to the city.

100% - All I said was they should have that conversation. If Malkin and Crosby (and Letang) want to stay, you keep up until they retire, if that's what they want. But if they are open to entertaining other possibilities, then they should be explored.

Crosby behind Mackinnon or McDavid would be legendary to watch. Pits retains 50%, they could get a serious haul back.

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14 mai 2023 à 19 h 22

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