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Équipe: 2023-24 Ducks d'Anaheim
Date de création initiale: 14 mai 2023
Publié: 14 mai 2023
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Coach: Andrew Brunette

Signings:
Severson Dameon, a great defensive Dman. Little bit overpaid but that is mainly to compromise for term. Only two years because ANA are going to have some big names coming off contract (Mctavish, Zwell, etc)
Shatty- can't play defence, but at this point, he's there for his veteran voice/presence, probably trade him at TDL.
Comoits get 1 year to prove himself, if not trade him to Tampa Bay for a first ;)
Drysdale, Dostal - Bridge

Trades:
Rico if he wasn't injured would've been traded at TDL, I suspect we trade him over the off-season or at TDL. A club gets a great top 6 goal scorer at half-price.
Josh Baily - Cap dump

Draft:
(draft positioning are approximate)
2nd OA - Fantili
32nd OA (a forward)
34 OA ( a forward/goalie)
60 OA (Defence/BPA/goalie)
63 OA ( BPA)
etc

Roster:
Zwelleger - I truly do believe after Zwell's WHL and Canada u20 performances, he could make a push into that 2nd Dman pairing alongside Sev. In my opinion this would be best case scenario as Zwell would get 2 years alongside Sev. But this only happens along as we don't ruin Zwell's confidence.
Fantilii- Starts the year on the wing but eventually shifts to centre after 20 games or so. Strome shifts to the wing.
Nesterenko - I liked watching Nesternko last year, he seemed to give us some flare in attack. He's kinda like a Lundy 2.0 who can play anywhere on the third/fourth line.
Silverberg - I read some rumours about Silverberg returning to Sweden for his final year, I believe dirty boi Pat Verbeek lets this happen. Although Silverberg's offence has dried up he has been great defensively besides from that own goal against the Sharks :). So I could see this going either way.
I see Jones and Baily being interchangeable on the third/fourth line.


Couple of questions:
- Unfortunately, I see ANA fans embracing for another year of pain, as I see our team placing in the bottom third of the league more specifically 22-26 region. But where do you see ANA placing next year?

- Thoughts on ANA trading their 2024 1st plus Carolina 1st for Sharks 1st?

- I know PV said he wasn't going to trade Gibson, but he doesn't fit our timeline. So theoretically saying could you see ANA trading Matt Murry (plus something) as a cap dump (who's going to get battered every night instead of Dostal) and then trading GB to Buf/PIt for their 2023 1st?

- Finally Fantilii's point projection at the world championship, so far after two games 2 apples.
I'm guessing after 7 games 2 goals 4 assists for 6pts.

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14 mai 2023 à 11 h 53
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Yeah Canes pass. Kotkaniemi was better as a 2C and Staal is just MUCH better in the 3C role. So a 1st for a 4C just won't work
14 mai 2023 à 12 h 1
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Yeah Canes pass. Kotkaniemi was better as a 2C and Staal is just MUCH better in the 3C role. So a 1st for a 4C just won't work


He wouldn't play center, more likely lw.

As for the sharks trade, doubt either team does that
14 mai 2023 à 12 h 4
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He wouldn't play center, more likely lw.

As for the sharks trade, doubt either team does that


Oh LW is worse. Pacioretty, Teravainen, Svechnikov... so a 1st for a 4th line winger is an absolute joke
14 mai 2023 à 12 h 20
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Severson wants max term. So $6m x 7 years.
14 mai 2023 à 12 h 20
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The Canes will pass, but I like the idea for ANA. It just won't be this trade. ANA has a great farm system and abiut to get a TRUE #1C.

Trade a pick or prospect for Ross Colton (speedy, physical, cap casualty on a cap constrained team). Or overpay (draft capital wise) for Laf.
14 mai 2023 à 12 h 22
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Oh LW is worse. Pacioretty, Teravainen, Svechnikov... so a 1st for a 4th line winger is an absolute joke


Did Patches say he's coming back?
14 mai 2023 à 12 h 26
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Did Patches say he's coming back?


Waddell's made it clear they're going to bring him back... it's coming down from Tom, he's coming back
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14 mai 2023 à 14 h 49
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Oh LW is worse. Pacioretty, Teravainen, Svechnikov... so a 1st for a 4th line winger is an absolute joke


I wouldn't be so quick to count chickens before they hatch. Staal could decide to retire, or go somewhere else next season. Retirement seems extremely likely for a 34 year old player coming off a cup win if Carolina manages to do the thing. As for Patches, I would make sure he has 20 games played before declaring he is "back".

Henrique at below 3 million cap hit is a strong value proposition for a guy who can play anywhere in the top 9 LW and center, all special teams, and still brings a great 200ft game to the table, and at this point, we're talking pic 28-32 in the draft, the pick value of those firsts are not very high.
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14 mai 2023 à 14 h 58
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I wouldn't be so quick to count chickens before they hatch. Staal could decide to retire, or go somewhere else next season. Retirement seems extremely likely for a 34 year old player coming off a cup win if Carolina manages to do the thing. As for Patches, I would make sure he has 20 games played before declaring he is "back".

Henrique at below 3 million cap hit is a strong value proposition for a guy who can play anywhere in the top 9 LW and center, all special teams, and still brings a great 200ft game to the table, and at this point, we're talking pic 28-32 in the draft, the pick value of those firsts are not very high.


Staal is 34. He's not going to retire. Look at some of the other top picks from that draft. Backstrom isn't going to retire, he's coming back from hip surgery. Kessel? He's not going to retire. Toews might but only because of the long term health issues he's having. You're too early on the Staal retirement calling. He's not even signed a 35+ contract in his career and you're trying to get him into a retirement home.
Pacioretty scored in every game he saw the final horn in this season, he's not going to be a problem.

There's nothing wrong with that. But for everything Henrique does, Carolina could just extend Stastny. Or sign one of the billion middling free agents from this class for a cheaper cap hit. You're not getting a 1st for that, it's pure delusion. This guy didn't even hit 40 points and you want a 1st for him...
14 mai 2023 à 15 h 3
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Not a bad crack at the roster. I think for a RHD UFA we can afford to go 5+ years term, the guys we have coming up the right side are further out, assuming they will need a couple years in the AHL we have plenty of time to hand out term for a top 4 RHD. That said, I would look for someone who is meant to be Fowler's partner on the top line. Fowler Drysdale get caved in as a pairing as they are both offensively inclined Defense, and though Fowler is an "all situations defenseman" he really suffers when the bulk of the defensive duties fall to him, and he gets bumped and rubbed from the puck often while refusing to play the body. The analytics on Fowler-Drysdale as a pair are also terrible. I would also consider Dumba or Mayfield as well as Severson.

I think assuming Zells makes the team out of camp is a bit aspirational as well, I think he is probably the third LHD to get up onto the main roster. LaCombe being older and more fully developed gets first crack at a full time spot on the roster, likely at 3LD. Mintyukov would be the next one up is my assumption. However, if we assume that Severson is playing with Fowler as a top pairing, we can look to bring in a defensive LHD veteran to babysit Drysdale for a season or two to further his development. While names like Graves or Gavrikov are nice to imagine, they will take to much term. MAYBE we can swing a very rich deal for Orlov, but I think a guy like Kulikov is probably what we can land. Yeah, he was a bit brutal for us last season, but we had the guy playing on first pairing with Fowler on his off hand, we were asking way too much of him. 2nd pairing as Drysdale's partner he should be much better suited.

I think Vaakainen's time with the Ducks is probably over, he just didn't cement himself on the roster well enough. Might stick around as a depth piece until his contract is up, but I wouldn't count on him doing anything this season. LaCombe and Benoit likely swap out at 3LW depending on the games needs, and I think Shattenkirk is a fine enough babysitter for them as well. People love him in the locker room too.

I also know that its a contrarian belief, but send Fantilli and Dostal back to San Diego, let them win a Calder cup down there. I get Dostal has nothing left to prove down there, but 50 games in the A is going to keep his sharper than 25 games in the big leagues. Bring Stolarz back for a one year deal or accept an expiring cap dump goalie for one season (Murray for example). I know all the scouting reports say Fantilli is NHL ready, but the same reports said that about McTavish, and he was still sent back down to the minors post draft to continue to marinate. It won't hurt Fantilli's development having a year in the AHL, they have a good chance to win some hardware, and he will be playing with several future team mates. It also gives us an ELC slide year and allows us to clear out some roster space with the subtractions of Henrique, Silfverberg, and anyone else we take on as a dump this offseason.
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Staal is 34. He's not going to retire. Look at some of the other top picks from that draft. Backstrom isn't going to retire, he's coming back from hip surgery. Kessel? He's not going to retire. Toews might but only because of the long term health issues he's having. You're too early on the Staal retirement calling. He's not even signed a 35+ contract in his career and you're trying to get him into a retirement home.
Pacioretty scored in every game he saw the final horn in this season, he's not going to be a problem.

There's nothing wrong with that. But for everything Henrique does, Carolina could just extend Stastny. Or sign one of the billion middling free agents from this class for a cheaper cap hit. You're not getting a 1st for that, it's pure delusion. This guy didn't even hit 40 points and you want a 1st for him...


Staal retiring if he wins a cup at 34 is far less delusional than thinking Henrique fully retained for a season isn't worth ~30OA pick, and that isn't a stretch to begin with, so I would go ahead and check yourself there, and you are not going to find a player that does what Henrique does for less than 3 million on the UFA market.

Really, you are going to go after his point totals this season after mentioning the cast you have that would push him down to the 4th line? He outscored everyone you mentioned outside of Svechnikov and Kotkaniemi, and he did that in 62 games played. Most importantly, he scores goals, you know, that thing that Carolina needs more of? He would be 4th on the Canes this season in goals scored, not 4th line, but 4th on the roster, 1 behind Kotkaniemi, and with 6 less games played.

Henrique at 2.9 cap hit would be hugely valuable to the canes and would absolutely be playing in their top 6.
14 mai 2023 à 15 h 25
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Staal retiring if he wins a cup at 34 is far less delusional than thinking Henrique fully retained for a season isn't worth ~30OA pick, so I would go ahead and check yourself there, and you are not going to find a player that does what Henrique does for less than 3 million on the UFA market.

Really, you are going to go after his point totals this season after mentioning the cast you have that would push him down to the 4th line? He outscored everyone you mentioned outside of Svechnikov and Kotkaniemi, and he did that in 62 games played. Most importantly, he scores goals, you know, that thing that Carolina needs more of? He would be 4th on the Canes this season in goals scored, 1 behind Kotkaniemi, and with 6 less games played.

Henrique at 2.9 cap hit would be hugely valuable to the canes and would absolutely be playing in their top 6.


Staal retiring at 34 is delusional. How many hockey players that are good enough to stay in the league retire at that young of an age? Stop it.

Henrique isn't worth a 1st. That is delusional.

Wow, 22 goals. You think he's getting the ice time to do that on a good team? Dzingel had 27 in a season and he was in the AHL this year. C'mon man. Bad teams have inflated offensive totals. You know that. Oh and that BS about outscoring everyone besides Kotkaniemi and Svechnikov... brother, Necas had a 70+ point seasons. You're making sh*t up now.

You're trying to argue Carolina need more goals... what? Brother, have you been living under a rock? Go and look at the Canes goal scorers this postseason then come back to me. Absolutely brainless comment.

And who is he knocking out of the top six? Aho? Comical. Kotkaniemi? Nope. So he's not playing center. Necas? Bahahahaha. Svechnikov. Bahahahahahahahah. Tervainen? No. Jarvis? Not likely. Teravainen? Not happening. Okay, so what about third line. Staal? No. Fast? Unlikely. Martinook? At the rate he's going, dude is going to be a 10 million dollar player so nope. Seriously, educate yourself.
14 mai 2023 à 15 h 46
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Staal retiring at 34 is delusional. How many hockey players that are good enough to stay in the league retire at that young of an age? Stop it.

Henrique isn't worth a 1st. That is delusional.

Wow, 22 goals. You think he's getting the ice time to do that on a good team? Dzingel had 27 in a season and he was in the AHL this year. C'mon man. Bad teams have inflated offensive totals. You know that. Oh and that BS about outscoring everyone besides Kotkaniemi and Svechnikov... brother, Necas had a 70+ point seasons. You're making sh*t up now.

You're trying to argue Carolina need more goals... what? Brother, have you been living under a rock? Go and look at the Canes goal scorers this postseason then come back to me. Absolutely brainless comment.

And who is he knocking out of the top six? Aho? Comical. Kotkaniemi? Nope. So he's not playing center. Necas? Bahahahaha. Svechnikov. Bahahahahahahahah. Tervainen? No. Jarvis? Not likely. Teravainen? Not happening. Okay, so what about third line. Staal? No. Fast? Unlikely. Martinook? At the rate he's going, dude is going to be a 10 million dollar player so nope. Seriously, educate yourself.


You didn't list Necas, You listed Kotkaniemi, Staal, Patches, Teravinen, Svhecnikov. Rico's stat line is enough to push anyone not named Necas, Svechinikov, or Aho down a line, and again, he did that in 62 games played.

Its widely known around the league that the Canes needed a goal scoring forward, why do you think Patches was brought in in the first place? Yeah, 266 goals in the season, massively impressive, must be why it was one of the lowest goals for of any team to make the playoffs? Multiple teams who missed the playoffs had more goals for than the Canes.

But its clear that you are a massive homer with no interest in listening to logic or reason, so this little game is over. Bye!
14 mai 2023 à 15 h 56
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You didn't list Necas, You listed Kotkaniemi, Staal, Patches, Teravinen, Svhecnikov. Rico's stat line is enough to push anyone not named Necas, Svechinikov, or Aho down a line, and again, he did that in 62 games played.

Its widely known around the league that the Canes needed a goal scoring forward, why do you think Patches was brought in in the first place? Yeah, 266 goals in the season, massively impressive, must be why it was one of the lowest goals for of any team to make the playoffs? Multiple teams who missed the playoffs had more goals for than the Canes.

But its clear that you are a massive homer with no interest in listening to logic or reason, so this little game is over. Bye!


Teuvo had similiar totals in a similar number of games. Henrique isn't pushing Teuvo down. You think Henrique is pushing Jarvis down? That's not happening. Pacioretty? No. You're being a massive homer trying to argue this.

Pacioretty was brought in as a cap dump by Vegas. Carolina don't need more scoring, buddy. That's such a lazy take.

You're either brainless or not worth talking to. You have no logic. You're trying to argue a defensively based team needs more offense. Stop it. It's delusional. Learn stuff about defensive based teams like the Islanders before you cry more.
15 mai 2023 à 11 h 6
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I really like the Bailey pick up for a draft pick. We haven't seen GMPV utilize his cap space for picks like that yet. I'm hopeful that he adds more picks for bad contracts, but we'll see.
 
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