Wtf is that Pittsburgh trade

Bertuzzi probably gets more. In the range of around $6-$6.5M AAV

Bertuzzi is asking for 7 x $7,000,000. Honestly if he were willing to sign for 4 x $5,000,000 he'd still be in Detroit and not a pending UFA.

And Willian Nylander is worth way more than Marcus Pettersson and a 2nd round pick.

Samsonov + 2nd, yeah I think so

Yeah, I see that for Nylander. Pettersson’s very good and Cap Space is Valuable. Not sure PIT can afford that and we might be able to send Hanifin + Ruzicka + Rooney FOR Nylander + Lafferty

I’d prefer Liljegren for Tanev with $1mil retained, but add Coronato’s Harvard Teammate Abruzzese and no retention and that’d work for me as well

That's honestly shocking to me considering he's only scored 30 goals once in his career.

I know. It's just that anytime I try trading Nylander, the other teams fans bash me for overvaluing him or that they will simply "wait until free agency" where they can get him for free instead.

Why is Nylander worth more!? He’s a $7mil Pending free Agent who is known to be difficult to negotiate with and will be looking for $9mil/yr

To get a quality 2LD with term and decent pick for a rental isn’t bad. In order to get more, TOR would have to move him at the deadline 50% retained and take a Cap Dump back

Don’t get me wrong, he’s very good but most Teams would elect to just pay him the $9mil/yr through Free Agency and either keep their assets or use them elsewhere

If TOR can get him signed to a contract, it’d help, otherwise he’s just a rental and they’ll have to wait till late Feb/March to fetch any more

40 goal scorers with 1 year term are significantly more valuable than defenders who have been mediocre mostof their career with one good year

It's especially hilarious to defend that trade on the account of nylanders term since petterson has all of one extra year on his deal

Pens accept before you change your minds.

No you got the backwards, he’s been good most of his career and had 1 bad season.

No, he's been meh to fine most of his career, hes had one terrible season and one good season. He's nowhere near valuable enough to carry a nylander trade

You’ll have to give me an example of when a $6-8mil/yr player was Traded in the Off-Season with 1 year remaining on their contract as a UFA (not RFA) with the expectation he’ll be looking for $9mil/yr+ that returned any more

It happens at the Trade Deadline 50-75% Retained when Contenders are desperate to bolster their lineups to keep up with and compete with the other Contenders doing the same, but I need a few off-season examples

You’re wrong. His stats are pretty similar outside 1 year lol. He’s been good outside of 1 bad season.

Marcus Pettersson is a very good defensive Defensemen just entering his prime

I think you may be under-valuing him, simply based off of his Offensive Stats, which isn’t his strength or role

27 is not entering your prime, it is,at best the back end of it.
He isnt very good, because he hasnt been very good for any extended period of time.
He might be pretty good now but he isnt remotely worth nylander, like not even in the solar system. You are massively over rating him and under rating nylander

No, that not true at all. He's been middling to accepable most of his career

You'll have to give me an example of how a ok defensive defender returned a 40 goal scorer

Forwards Peak earlier between 24-30 and Defensemen & Goaltenders Peak later 26/27-32/33

Nylander is the better hockey player without a doubt, but his current and future contract status are considerations when it comes to Trades and what Value/Price a Team is Willing to Pay

Based on your assessment, Nylander’s getting closer to falling off his peak play as well

Yes forwards peak earlier, but that wasnt the point. Petterson is still closer to the end than the beginning especially considering his play history.
And again, nylander is significantly more valuable, it doesnt matter what his next contract looks like because 1 season of him is much more valuable than 2 of petterson

Max Pacioretty for Future Considerations
Patrick Kane for Andy Welinski
Timo Meier for Nikita Okhotiuk and Shakir Mukhamadullin
Matthew Tkachuk for MacKenzie Weegar
Kevin Fiala for Brock Faber
Matt Duchene for Samuel Girard

Many Stud Scorers Traded for a Defensemen and a Pick or Two. Depends what their current and future contracts look like

Now go ahead and do your homework. Don’t be lazy

Probably why there’s a 2nd attached

Why pay anything at all when you can wait a year and just sign Nylander as a Free Agent for nothing 🤦‍♂️

Yeah, and a 2nd doesn't make up the difference.
And why would the leafs trade for petterson when they can just wait 2 years and sign him for free?
See how bad an argument that is?
The best part is we haven't even touched on the need part of the trade.
Like, let's pretend petterson is exactly as valuable as nylander, the leafs still wouldn't do this trade picks or no because they have zero need for petterson.
They have literally two better defensive defenders already and paying petterson 4 mill to be redundant on the 3rd pair is a hilarious waste.
And now the leafs need scoring even more than they already so, scoring has literally been the leafs playoff issue for years and now you've replaced their best playoff scorer with worse scorers.
It's a bad move in a value vacuum and it's an even worse one from a needs standpoint, literally nonsensical

Yeah, I don’t think TOR needs another LD either, they likely need an RD more to replace Holl & Schenn, but we were discussing Trade Value, not needs here

Although Nylander’s a Stud, he’s very expensive and set to become a Free Agent next season wanting even more $$$, so unless that changes and he comes with a decent contract in advance OR he gets retained and moved at the deadline, no Team is going to pay what you think he’s worth in the off-season when they could simply sign Kane, Tarasenko or guys of the like for 50-75% the Cap Hit of Nylander and without losing any assets at all

At the end of the day, TOR will have to find a better more suitable offer for Nylander. Looks like lots of TOR fans want him gone and you can’t afford to keep everybody after next season

We were discusing the trade and need effects value more than almost anything, and banking on a ufa signing with you to replace a decent player, let alone a 1st liner is a horrible idea, especially when those options are older, not much cheaper or not nearly as good as the guy you trade.
You can find a petterson filler significantly easier than a nylander one and paying nylander 9ish mill is a way better bet than paying kane or tarasenko 7.5

Kane & Tarasenko are $3.5-6.5kil/ur guys now

Nylander predominantly played in the 2nd line as well

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