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Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 30 avr. 2023
Publié: 30 avr. 2023
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Logic? Nahhhh we don't need that in here today.

Detroit's 2nd is used to select RW Ethan Gauthier.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
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3850 000 $
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  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
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  1. Hollowell, Mac [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
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TOR
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
ARI
  1. Clifford, Kyle
  2. Muzzin, Jake
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
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TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DET)
DET
  1. Ellis, Max
  2. Murray, Matt
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
  4. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
A third party retains 50% of Murray's salary.
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TOR
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
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775 000 $775 000 $
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30 avr. 2023 à 12 h 45
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30 avr. 2023 à 12 h 54
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No


See the Mrazek trade. This is essentially that but you get an extra 7th and a prospect (Michigan native, too). Murray can be shoved into the minors, but unlike Mrazek, he's actually still an NHL caliber goalie. Just overpaid. You're getting more for him than Leafs got to take him on, and his stock hasn't dropped since then. Besides, it's not like Detroit has many goaltending options at the moment. Their next best goalies for next year after Husso who aren't UFA's are ECHL goalies who haven't played well at the AHL level (Cossa, Lethemon). Even if y'all resign Hellberg, he's ideally an AHL starter. This trade is actually pretty decent for y'all.
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See the Mrazek trade. This is essentially that but you get an extra 7th and a prospect (Michigan native, too). Murray can be shoved into the minors, but unlike Mrazek, he's actually still an NHL caliber goalie. Just overpaid. You're getting more for him than Leafs got to take him on, and his stock hasn't dropped since then. Besides, it's not like Detroit has many goaltending options at the moment. Their next best goalies for next year after Husso who aren't UFA's are ECHL goalies who haven't played well at the AHL level (Cossa, Lethemon). Even if y'all resign Hellberg, he's ideally an AHL starter. This trade is actually pretty decent for y'all.


No

Sell it somewhere else.
30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 1
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O'Reilly taking Home town discount btw. Probably like 3,750,000 for 3 years is his next contract. Sheary, Bunting, Acciari and Aston-Reese all gonna want more. add another 500k on Bunting Contract, add another 1 million on the Sheary contract, add another 750K on the Acciari contract and add another 100k on the aston Reese contract
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30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 8
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No

Sell it somewhere else.


Also very much an Yzerman contract.
30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 9
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O'Reilly taking Home town discount btw. Probably like 3,750,000 for 3 years is his next contract. Sheary, Bunting, Acciari and Aston-Reese all gonna want more. add another 500k on Bunting Contract, add another 1 million on the Sheary contract, add another 750K on the Acciari contract and add another 100k on the aston Reese contract


That all seems pretty reasonable, and it'd still fit under the cap hit assuming it goes up at all. If it doesn't, then Acciari could get 650K more instead of 750K and it'd be exactly at the cap.
30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 31
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Wings pass, no 2nd going back, can care less what the hawks did for mrazek, just cause one gm is an idiot doesn't mean all are. Sell him to hawks for same thing you did with mrazek, wings say no
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30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 34
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See the Mrazek trade. This is essentially that but you get an extra 7th and a prospect (Michigan native, too). Murray can be shoved into the minors, but unlike Mrazek, he's actually still an NHL caliber goalie. Just overpaid. You're getting more for him than Leafs got to take him on, and his stock hasn't dropped since then. Besides, it's not like Detroit has many goaltending options at the moment. Their next best goalies for next year after Husso who aren't UFA's are ECHL goalies who haven't played well at the AHL level (Cossa, Lethemon). Even if y'all resign Hellberg, he's ideally an AHL starter. This trade is actually pretty decent for y'all.


This is one of those things where a premium is expected for intradivision help. Murray would be 6.25M against the cap. That first is, at best, 24OA. We'd be taking up 6.25M to move up like 17 spaces, which is fine if it was a mid 1st but it isn't. The prospect is bad, and the 7th is a 7th.

John Lethemon looked fine. The GRG coach absolutely reaked. Cossa is 20 years old. He'll be fine.
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30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 43
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This is one of those things where a premium is expected for intradivision help. Murray would be 6.25M against the cap. That first is, at best, 24OA. We'd be taking up 6.25M to move up like 17 spaces, which is fine if it was a mid 1st but it isn't. The prospect is bad, and the 7th is a 7th.

John Lethemon looked fine. The GRG coach absolutely reaked. Cossa is 20 years old. He'll be fine.


Lethemon and Cossa *will* be fine. But as NHL backups next year, they wouldn't be. Murray's cap hit is only 4.6M, the Sens retained some of his cap hit, and it's only for one season. There's no premium here. This is actually a pretty decent deal.

Also Ellis isn't a bad prospect. He doesn't have a high ceiling, sure, but he's probably a future NHL-er in the bottom six. He's also a Michigan native.
30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 51
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Lethemon and Cossa *will* be fine. But as NHL backups next year, they wouldn't be. Murray's cap hit is only 4.6M, the Sens retained some of his cap hit, and it's only for one season. There's no premium here. This is actually a pretty decent deal.

Also Ellis isn't a bad prospect. He doesn't have a high ceiling, sure, but he's probably a future NHL-er in the bottom six. He's also a Michigan native.


Oh sorry, it's only 4.6M. We'd still need to sign another goalie because of Murray's injury proneness. He's a capdump, and a 4.6M one at that. He solves nearly no issues since he's seemingly injured every month.

The Red Wings don't need a depth player, even if he's from Plymouth. Depth players made up half our damn roster at the end of the year.

You see it as a decent deal, Red Wings fans see it as paying 4.6M to move up to grab a marginally better player than those that'd be available at 41.

No thanks.
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30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 55
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Oh sorry, it's only 4.6M. We'd still need to sign another goalie because of Murray's injury proneness. He's a capdump, and a 4.6M one at that. He solves nearly no issues since he's seemingly injured every month.

The Red Wings don't need a depth player, even if he's from Plymouth. Depth players made up half our damn roster at the end of the year.

You see it as a decent deal, Red Wings fans see it as paying 4.6M to move up to grab a marginally better player than those that'd be available at 41.

No thanks.


This is a good draft. Yes, Murray's hurt all the time. Yes, you'd need another option (Hellberg, or any third stringer would suffice). Half of his salary could be retained by a third party if necessary, but this does solve issues. Detroit has no goaltending. Getting paid a 1st in a deep draft, for a 2.3M for a goalie who, when healthy, is better than Husso, is a pretty decent deal. The 13 spots are worth it. If I was a Wings fan, I'd say yes. As a Caps fan, if Lindgren wasn't in the picture, I'd say yes.

Again, there is precedent for this with Mrazek. This deal is miles better for Detroit than the Mrazek trade was for Chicago.

Ellis is a minor leaguer. He was thrown in as a small sweetener, primarily because he's from Detroit and it'd be a childhood dream of his to get the opportunity. I don't understand the big deal.
30 avr. 2023 à 14 h 7
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This is a good draft. Yes, Murray's hurt all the time. Yes, you'd need another option (Hellberg, or any third stringer would suffice). Half of his salary could be retained by a third party if necessary, but this does solve issues. Detroit has no goaltending. Getting paid a 1st in a deep draft, for a 2.3M for a goalie who, when healthy, is better than Husso, is a pretty decent deal. The 13 spots are worth it. If I was a Wings fan, I'd say yes. As a Caps fan, if Lindgren wasn't in the picture, I'd say yes.

Again, there is precedent for this with Mrazek. This deal is miles better for Detroit than the Mrazek trade was for Chicago.

Ellis is a minor leaguer. He was thrown in as a small sweetener, primarily because he's from Detroit and it'd be a childhood dream of his to get the opportunity. I don't understand the big deal.


Retaining half then yeah maybe; but certainly not the full 4.6M. We need a goalie, and yes Murray would be a fine back up, but we'd still expect him to play at least 25 games. I understand that isn't a guarantee with any goalie, but it certainly is less likely for him.

It depends greatly on whose available at that time. If the draft goes as expected (which rarely does but what can you do), the wingers or RDs in that area are no better than the ones at 41. This draft is deep, but there are noticeable tiers. 1-5, 5-14, 15-25, and so on.

I have no quarrel with Ellis, and I love a hometown reunion, but he's a replaceable player.
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30 avr. 2023 à 14 h 16
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Retaining half then yeah maybe; but certainly not the full 4.6M. We need a goalie, and yes Murray would be a fine back up, but we'd still expect him to play at least 25 games. I understand that isn't a guarantee with any goalie, but it certainly is less likely for him.

It depends greatly on whose available at that time. If the draft goes as expected (which rarely does but what can you do), the wingers or RDs in that area are no better than the ones at 41. This draft is deep, but there are noticeable tiers. 1-5, 5-14, 15-25, and so on.

I have no quarrel with Ellis, and I love a hometown reunion, but he's a replaceable player.


Okay, sounds good! I'm gonna make an edit to bump the 7th to a slightly higher pick and add in a note saying that a third party retains half of Murray's salary.
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30 avr. 2023 à 14 h 19
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Okay, sounds good! I'm gonna make an edit to bump the 7th to a slightly higher pick and add in a note saying that a third party retains half of Murray's salary.


I personally wouldn't be opposed to this. Obviously, Murray's NTC could cause issues, but if it doesn't I'd be content with 2.3M on the books for a 7th, a C-Prospect, and moving up how many picks in the draft.
That's if Boston loses out and picks @ 24-30th. If they pick at 31/32, then mehhhh questionable.
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O'Reilly taking Home town discount btw. Probably like 3,750,000 for 3 years is his next contract. Sheary, Bunting, Acciari and Aston-Reese all gonna want more. add another 500k on Bunting Contract, add another 1 million on the Sheary contract, add another 750K on the Acciari contract and add another 100k on the aston Reese contract


O'Reilly at $5M ok I don't see him cutting his salary in half quite yet. Unlike some off the vets you've had before he already has a cup and there will be teams that offer him at least $5M.

Congrats on the 1st round win.
30 avr. 2023 à 15 h 2
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I personally wouldn't be opposed to this. Obviously, Murray's NTC could cause issues, but if it doesn't I'd be content with 2.3M on the books for a 7th, a C-Prospect, and moving up how many picks in the draft.
That's if Boston loses out and picks 24-30th. If they pick at 31/32, then mehhhh questionable.


When Yzerman was asked recently about Cossa development he said he was happy with it. I don't like splitting up those 3 2nd round picks for what is basically a cap dump. Maybe switch it to a 3rd or a 2nd next year.
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30 avr. 2023 à 15 h 11
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When Yzerman was asked recently about Cossa development he said he was happy with it. I don't like splitting up those 3 2nd round picks for what is basically a cap dump. Maybe switch it to a 3rd or a 2nd next year.


Forsure. I don't doubt that we don't see Cossa in the AHL and Murray should not impede on that much. Lethemon, as good as he's been in the ECHL, is 26, going to be 27. Having him in the AHL vs ECHL has near no difference organization-wise. Cossa should graduate into the AHL; even if he stumbles his way in. From there, we can either resign Ned or Hellberg, and have a tandem of the two in the AHL. When Murray inevitably gets injured, we just move either Ned or Hellberg up, move Lethemon up, and just sign some random guy for the ECHL squad.

Yes, it does mean our goalie situation isn't the best for next year, but I don't think this team makes the playoffs next year. If we get a good goalie and a good Husso Tandem going, maybe we just break into a spot, but we certainly would not go far.
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30 avr. 2023 à 20 h 45
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O'Reilly taking Home town discount btw. Probably like 3,750,000 for 3 years is his next contract. Sheary, Bunting, Acciari and Aston-Reese all gonna want more. add another 500k on Bunting Contract, add another 1 million on the Sheary contract, add another 750K on the Acciari contract and add another 100k on the aston Reese contract


Also add to Schenn as well, he isn't playing top 4 for that amount. No sure what he would want but 2m like Holl use to get sounds in the right area.
30 avr. 2023 à 21 h 55
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Okay, sounds good! I'm gonna make an edit to bump the 7th to a slightly higher pick and add in a note saying that a third party retains half of Murray's salary.


Yes I take this deal.
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