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2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #1: Beg for Bedard

6 juin 2023 à 14 h 15
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So it only cost a 2nd to dump Peterson dang

https://twitter.com/ADiMarco25/status/1666145111959273509?cxt=HHwWyoCw6dqJq58uAAAA
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 15
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The ones who get out first are the ones who get exactly what they wanted. Now the timer starts for the rest of the gms. I wouldn’t be shocked to see dominos, especially in the goaltending market.
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 18
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Modifié 6 juin 2023 à 14 h 24
Quoting: aadoyle
So it only cost a 2nd to dump Peterson dang

https://twitter.com/ADiMarco25/status/1666145111959273509?cxt=HHwWyoCw6dqJq58uAAAA


K so my guess rn

Provorov to CBJ

1st (LAK that CBJ had in Gav trade) + 2nd + 2nd + Walker + Peterson to Philly

Kings ret on Provorov deal to I guess get discount on dumping Peterson. If im LA I throw in next years 1st and a good prospect and say hey give us Hart.
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 19
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imagine paying a 1st for this frikkin guy, even at 30% retained.
Kekkäläinen keeping his streak of Ls up.
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 21
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imagine paying a 1st for this frikkin guy, even at 30% retained.
Kekkäläinen keeping his streak of Ls up.
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The one thing I will say is I have seen guys leave go to another team and do so much better. Being a number 2 D vs a number 1 in CBJ might really do Provorov some good. As now he can sit back and do his thing while Werenski takes the spotlight
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 23
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Has Flyer's new management declared a direction publicly or are they still in this half baked competition/retool phase? Guessing we'll have to wait and see what picks/prospects are involved and what interest there is in Hart around the league to put this deal in context.
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 24
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If it only costed LAs first to get Provy 30% retained, that’s a steal for Columbus.
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 24
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The one thing I will say is I have seen guys leave go to another team and do so much better. Being a number 2 D vs a number 1 in CBJ might really do Provorov some good. As now he can sit back and do his thing while Werenski takes the spotlight

CBJ already have Werenski, he's the no.1 guy there (and head and shoulders above Provorov in overall ability).
Anyway, if this is the type of guy you're targeting to strengthen one of the weakest D corps in the league it'd have been much better to just send a 3rd for Brett Kulak or something.
Or hell, even Nathan Walker that's going to the Flyers in this 3 way would likely have achieved the same thing as acquiring Provy does, and at a fraction of the cost.

I cannot believe what Jarmo is thinking.
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 24
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Could hart being going to the sens
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 28
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Quoting: Tintin
CBJ already have Werenski, he's the no.1 guy there (and head and shoulders above Provorov in overall ability).
Anyway, if this is the type of guy you're targeting to strengthen one of the weakest D corps in the league it'd have been much better to just send a 3rd for Brett Kulak or something.
Or hell, even Nathan Walker that's going to the Flyers in this 3 way would likely have achieved the same thing as acquiring Provy does, and at a fraction of the cost.

I cannot believe what Jarmo is thinking.


Thats what im saying Werenski is the number 1 so now instead of being the number 1 D, Provorov can slot in as the second pair or number 2 guy. Its perfect. As a lesser role might do him some good and improve his stats

Look at Lindholm. Was regressing in Anaheim goes to Boston 2-way monster.

Not saying its a fantastic deal but not be surprised if Provorov rebounds into a nice second pairing Dman

As in the end a Dcore of

Werenski-Peeke
Provorov-Jiricek
Blankenberg-Boqvist

Aint bad
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 28
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Quoting: Tintin
CBJ already have Werenski, he's the no.1 guy there (and head and shoulders above Provorov in overall ability).
Anyway, if this is the type of guy you're targeting to strengthen one of the weakest D corps in the league it'd have been much better to just send a 3rd for Brett Kulak or something.
Or hell, even Nathan Walker that's going to the Flyers in this 3 way would likely have achieved the same thing as acquiring Provy does, and at a fraction of the cost.

I cannot believe what Jarmo is thinking.


Plus the Jackets have Jiricek and Mateychuk who are both unreal. Jarmo did a great job rebuilding but right at the end of the rebuild, he started jumping the gun and weakening the future for the present. Not a fan of his last 12 or so months as GM. The future looked so bright...
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 31
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Thats what im saying Werenski is the number 1 so now instead of being the number 1 D, Provorov can slot in as the second pair or number 2 guy. Its perfect. As a lesser role might do him some good and improve his stats

Look at Lindholm. Was regressing in Anaheim goes to Boston 2-way monster.

Not saying its a fantastic deal but not be surprised if Provorov rebounds into a nice second pairing Dman


Oh okay, got it. I read it as you saying Provy going no.2 --> no.1 by this deal.
As for the deal, I see a lot more downside for CBJ in acquiring Provorov than upside.

Briere did very well to squeeze that much value out of a supremely overvalued player.
The Flyers may finally have a good GM on their hands.
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 36
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Plus the Jackets have Jiricek and Mateychuk who are both unreal. Jarmo did a great job rebuilding but right at the end of the rebuild, he started jumping the gun and weakening the future for the present. Not a fan of his last 12 or so months as GM. The future looked so bright...

Seems to me that Jarmo's talents truly lie in tearing a team down in order to better facilitate a rebuild, which is not a bad thing.
I think Jarmo and his team is pretty good around the draft table also.

But it also seems to me that Jarmo is really weak in his abilities to build that team back up again.
Poor roster construction skills, terrible cap space management and awful at identifying the right players to elevate this team.
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 39
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Quoting: Tintin
Seems to me that Jarmo's talents truly lie in tearing a team down in order to better facilitate a rebuild, which is not a bad thing.
I think Jarmo and his team is pretty good around the draft table also.

But it also seems to me that Jarmo is really weak in his abilities to build that team back up again.
Poor roster construction skills, terrible cap space management and awful at identifying the right players to elevate this team.


That's not completely true, he did go out and get Gusbranson last year which definitely pushed the needle, although I will not comment of which way the needle was moved
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 45
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I really like Grans for Philly. Kinda weird that Jarmo's best move was moving an overrated defenseman for an obscene amount only for his worst move to be paying an obscene amount for an overrated defenseman.

The duality of man
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 45
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I really like Grans for Philly. Kinda weird that Jarmo's best move was moving an overrated defenseman for an obscene amount only for his worst move to be paying an obscene amount for an overrated defenseman.

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Also Gavrikov is getting HOW MUCH?
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 48
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LA better be getting something in return, because Grans, Walker, a second and having to retain 2 mil just to dump Peterson is really bad.
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 48
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So it took a 2nd and an okay D prospect to dump 5mill x 2 years of Peterson who by the way was in the AHL
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 49
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LA better be getting something in return, because Grans, Walker, a second and having to retain 2 mil just to dump Peterson is really bad.


Cap space to extend Gavrikov, Vilardi and Korpisalo

As in the end it is the most valuble thing a team could ask for rn
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 49
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So it cost LAK Grans and a 2nd to dump Peterson and Walker?

Tough news for Oilers fans, Campbell isn't going anywhere at this rate
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 52
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Quoting: Nathaniel
So it cost LAK Grans and a 2nd to dump Peterson and Walker?

Tough news for Oilers fans, Campbell isn't going anywhere at this rate


I didn't want him to go anywhere, it's only been one season.
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 53
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Cap space to extend Gavrikov and Korpisalo


Still, it seems like way too much. Especially considering they have to retain 2 mil of Provy’s salary
6 juin 2023 à 14 h 56
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so lemme get this straight

cbj received
- Ivan Provorov 30% retained

la received
- nothing, they just retained 30% of provy's contract, guess they received cap space

phi received
- cal petersen
- sean walker
- helge grans
- 22nd overall
- 2nd from columbus
- 2nd from los angeles

Holy rob job from Briere honestly.
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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 56
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Summary of details posted so far.

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6 juin 2023 à 14 h 57
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Quoting: justaBoss

- 2nd from columbus
- 2nd from los angeles

wait, there are 2 2nds going to Philly?
 
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