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Reversing all the horrible moves Ron Hextall has made as Pittsburghs GM

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Équipe: 2022-23 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 12 avr. 2023
Publié: 12 avr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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February 9th, 2021 ---- Former Philadelphia Flyers franchise goalie and general manager Ron Hextall becomes the new GM of the Pittsburgh Penguins


July 17th, 2021 ---- Trade ---- Jared McCann for Filip Hallander + a 7th round pick


July 21st, 2021 ---- Expansion Draft ---- Failure to protect Jared McCann from the expansion draft


January 26th, 2022 ---- Signing ---- Jeff Carter ---- 3.125 million with NMC x 2


July 7th, 2022 ---- Signing ---- Kris Letang ---- 6.1 million with NMC x 6


July 16th, 2022 ---- Trade ---- John Marino for Ty Smith + 3rd round pick


July 16th, 2022 ---- Trade ---- Michael Matheson + 4th round pick for Jeff Petry + Ryan Poehling


February 24th, 2023 ---- Waivers ---- Kasperi Kapanen


April 12th, 2023 ---- The 16 year old streak of making the playoffs officially comes to an end for Pittsburgh tonight ---- The Pittsburgh Penguins miss the playoffs for the first time since 2006
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    What should have been the Expansion Draft protection list for Pittsburgh instead:


    Evgeni Malkin --- NMC
    Sidney Crosby --- NMC
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    Bryan Rust
    Kasperi Kapanen
    Jared McCann
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            12 avr. 2023 à 14 h 36
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            Letang stays. That was one of his better moves was keeping the core together.
            12 avr. 2023 à 14 h 38
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            Quoting: loganocota
            Letang stays. That was one of his better moves was keeping the core together.


            I would have tried to get him to stay too.

            But the extension he got last summer is really really bad.
            12 avr. 2023 à 14 h 39
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            As an ardent Ty Smith defender.... there's still no defending that trade from the Pens POV
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            12 avr. 2023 à 14 h 52
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            Seattle wouldn't select Carter, just too old. They take Tanev 100% of the time.
            Kapanen in waivers is whatever.
            Blueger trade wasn't good.
            If you have McCann you likely don't trade for Granlund.
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            12 avr. 2023 à 16 h 1
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            Signing Letang was obviously the correct move.
            12 avr. 2023 à 16 h 13
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            Quoting: JSEB93
            Signing Letang was obviously the correct move.


            Yes, but for how much and for how long?
            12 avr. 2023 à 16 h 20
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            Quoting: sensonfire
            Yes, but for how much and for how long?


            For how much and how long they signed him for. He's easily worth 6.1mil right now - he may not in 5 years, but that doesn't matter to this team and where they're at.
            12 avr. 2023 à 16 h 35
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            Quoting: JSEB93
            For how much and how long they signed him for. He's easily worth 6.1mil right now - he may not in 5 years, but that doesn't matter to this team and where they're at.


            Vast majority of people disagree with you.

            https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/608987/1



            When was the last time a team gave out a 6 year deal to a 35+ player?
            12 avr. 2023 à 17 h 6
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            Vast majority of people disagree with you.

            https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/608987/1

            When was the last time a team gave out a 6 year deal to a 35+ player?


            No the vast majority of people don't.

            Who cares?
            12 avr. 2023 à 17 h 18
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            No the vast majority of people don't.

            Who cares?


            Yes, the vast majority of people do.

            And the answer to my question is .... NEVER!!!



            Letang's contract is too long and lasts until he's 41.

            He'll be bought out or placed on LTIR by Year 4.

            I don't care that you don't care.
            12 avr. 2023 à 22 h 23
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            The only mistakes you made are saying we shouldn’t have signed Letang (we had no other options) and that we shouldn’t have waived Kapanen. We shouldn’t have resigned Kapanen in the first place.
            13 avr. 2023 à 9 h 15
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            Yes, the vast majority of people do.

            And the answer to my question is .... NEVER!!!



            Letang's contract is too long and lasts until he's 41.

            He'll be bought out or placed on LTIR by Year 4.

            I don't care that you don't care.


            No - they don't lol.

            And again - who cares? Nobody cares that it goes until he's 41 - nobody cares if he'll be bought out or placed on LTIR by Year 4. The team is barely competitive now and sure as **** won't be after another 2 years. The term is completely irrelevant. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand lol. Letang is well worth 6.1mil - therefore the extension is good for the Penguins. There was nobody to replace him
            13 avr. 2023 à 10 h 2
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            No - they don't lol.

            And again - who cares? Nobody cares that it goes until he's 41 - nobody cares if he'll be bought out or placed on LTIR by Year 4. The team is barely competitive now and sure as **** won't be after another 2 years. The term is completely irrelevant. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand lol. Letang is well worth 6.1mil - therefore the extension is good for the Penguins. There was nobody to replace him


            Once again - I don't care that you don't care.



            It's your problem Letang couldn't be signed to 3 years for example instead of 6 years.

            It's your problem Letang couldn't be signed to an extension that won't age horribly.

            It's your problem Letang will turn into a cap dump, if he's not a cap dump already.

            It's your problem Pittsburgh can't replace Letang with someone that won't turn into a cap dump.

            It's your problem Pittsburgh missed the playoffs and Letang did not do enough to prevent it.

            It's your problem Pittsburgh is barely competitive and won't be after another 2 years with Letang still on the books.



            Letang might be well worth 6.1 million.

            But he should not have been signed to 6 years.

            He should have been signed to a maximum of 3.

            I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand lol.
            13 avr. 2023 à 10 h 6
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            Quoting: sensonfire
            Once again - I don't care that you don't care.



            It's your problem Letang couldn't be signed to 3 years for example instead of 6 years.

            It's your problem that you can't come up with a coherent argument and have a rational conversation like an adult. Typed a novel and said nothing lol

            It's your problem Letang couldn't be signed to an extension that won't age horribly.

            It's your problem Letang will turn into a cap dump, if he's not a cap dump already.

            It's your problem Pittsburgh can't replace Letang with someone that won't turn into a cap dump.

            It's your problem Pittsburgh missed the playoffs and Letang did not do enough to prevent it.

            It's your problem Pittsburgh is barely competitive and won't be after another 2 years with Letang still on the books.



            Letang might be well worth 6.1 million.

            But he should not have been signed to 6 years.

            He should have been signed to a maximum of 3.

            I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand lol.


            Thanks for agreeing that Letang is worth 6.1mil and therefore the extension was good.

            It's your problem that you can't come up with a coherent argument and have a rational conversation like an adult.

            Typed a novel and said nothing lol. You got crazy defensive because someone simply pointed out you're wrong haha. Just decided to ramble nonsense
            13 avr. 2023 à 11 h 15
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            Thanks for agreeing that Letang is worth 6.1mil and therefore the extension was good.

            It's your problem that you can't come up with a coherent argument and have a rational conversation like an adult.

            Typed a novel and said nothing lol. You got crazy defensive because someone simply pointed out you're wrong haha. Just decided to ramble nonsense


            No, the extension was not good.

            You don't give 6 year extension to a 35+ player who's survived multiple strokes, has had a long list of other health problems and has played only one 82 game season throughout his career.

            If term is completely irrelevant and you're that delusional, wasteful and morally bankrupt, why not give him a full 8 year extension instead??



            It's your problem you can't refute any of my points with anything remotely rational.

            It's your problem that the 6 year signing of Letang is the only horrible move on here that you can talk about.

            It's your problem you can't tell the difference between a novel and a list of bullet points.

            It's your problem you attack me with for being right and trying to explain something so simple to you.



            Have a nice day.
            13 avr. 2023 à 11 h 58
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            No, the extension was not good.

            You don't give 6 year extension to a 35+ player who's survived multiple strokes, has had a long list of other health problems and has played only one 82 game season throughout his career.

            If term is completely irrelevant and you're that delusional, wasteful and morally bankrupt, why not give him a full 8 year extension instead??



            It's your problem you can't refute any of my points with anything remotely rational.

            It's your problem that the 6 year signing of Letang is the only horrible move on here that you can talk about.

            It's your problem you can't tell the difference between a novel and a list of bullet points.

            It's your problem you attack me with for being right and trying to explain something so simple to you.



            Have a nice day.


            Yes - it was. Objectively and factually.

            He survived one stroke at the time of the extension. And you do when they're the best player available at their position for that money Nothing I've said is delusional, wasteful, or morally bankrupt. I seriously cannot understand how you are unable to grasp that signing someone to more term to lower their AAV is great for a team that is only going to be competitive for a few more years. This is such basic knowledge for anyone who has ever watched any sport with a cap. It's on page 1 of the syllabus

            You haven't made any points so what am I supposed to refute?

            Also, you realize none of these things are actually my problem right? So repeating it over and over is real serial killer vibes. Where have you been right? The only one that's been right here is me.

            Have a terrible day. And please stay in school
            13 avr. 2023 à 12 h 44
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            Yes - it was. Objectively and factually.

            He survived one stroke at the time of the extension. And you do when they're the best player available at their position for that money Nothing I've said is delusional, wasteful, or morally bankrupt. I seriously cannot understand how you are unable to grasp that signing someone to more term to lower their AAV is great for a team that is only going to be competitive for a few more years. This is such basic knowledge for anyone who has ever watched any sport with a cap. It's on page 1 of the syllabus

            You haven't made any points so what am I supposed to refute?

            Also, you realize none of these things are actually my problem right? So repeating it over and over is real serial killer vibes. Where have you been right? The only one that's been right here is me.

            Have a terrible day. And please stay in school


            No - it wasn't.

            One stroke is too many.

            You do not sign a 35+ player who played only one full 82 game season and who had multiple strokes among plenty of other serious injuries throughout his life to a 6 year extension.

            No matter how good he is.

            Full stop.

            You should be ashamed of yourself for what you said here.

            End of discussion.
            13 avr. 2023 à 12 h 56
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            No - it wasn't.

            One stroke is too many.

            You do not sign a 35+ player who played only one full 82 game season and who had multiple strokes among plenty of other serious injuries throughout his life to a 6 year extension.

            No matter how good he is.

            Full stop.

            You should be ashamed of yourself for what you said here.

            End of discussion.


            Yes - it was. Objectively it was.

            Guess he should have quit playing hockey in 2014 then - not like he or the team had any success after that anyways lol.

            Sure you do. When it's the best option.

            You should be ashamed of everything you've said in this conversation.

            End of discussion
             
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