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Jeannot was traded for 5 picks Cant keep saying everyone will decline trades

Créé par: Nick33
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 9 avr. 2023
Publié: 9 avr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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PIT
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (DET)
DET
  1. Rust, Bryan
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
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  1. Vilardi, Gabriel [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Carter, Jeff
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
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PIT
  1. Lauzon, Jérémy
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NSH)
NSH
  1. Granlund, Mikael
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
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MIN
  1. Poulin, Samuel
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 2
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Detroit doesn't want 5 years of a 5 million dollar player in his 30s. Probably need to add retention and at least a couple second rounders.
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 3
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Why would the Kings make this trade. Zero incentive.
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 5
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So Rust is a salary dump but Carter nets a good young winger?
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 5
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Why is NSH trading back for Granlund…?
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 7
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Detroit doesn't want 5 years of a 5 million dollar player in his 30s. Probably need to add retention and at least a couple second rounders.


Yeah! Who wants a consistent 20 goal scorer who plays the PK, has a good physical game, and consistently shows up in the playoffs? And they want to trade him for nothing? We demand this useful player at 5MM / per be cheaper. They better throw in a 1st and Crosby at 50% retention too!
9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 8
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Why stop at Gabe Vilardi and a fourth? Why not Quinton Byfield and Brandt Clarke?

Personally, I think that you're trying to be humorous, and everyone else isn't getting the joke.
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 9
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Why is NSH trading back for Granlund…?


Ding ding ding. You win the logic award. It's becoming more prestigious every day.
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 9
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Why stop at Gabe Vilardi and a fourth? Why not Quinton Byfield and Brandt Clarke?

Personally, I think that you're trying to be humorous, and everyone else isn't getting the joke.


Oh, that would be funny. It's like a Norm joke.
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 12
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Tampa overpaid for another cup. None of these teams are even close to the position Tanpa has been in the past few years. Also Jeannot's cap hit this year is 800k all your above trades completely ignore cap differences and/or dont come close in value or team needs
9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: Victor24
Oh, that would be funny. It's like a Norm joke.


He had just posted another Pitt ACGM and pretty much every commenter ragged on him.
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 16
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
He had just posted another Pitt ACGM and pretty much every commenter ragged on him.


I light of this information, I rescind some of my earlier snarkiness. I don't want to jump on you Nick33. I don't like these trades but (if you were serious), man you do you. Have fun with it.
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9 avr. 2023 à 11 h 43
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Well, if you makes you feel better, Winnipeg might accept this one. The rest are not realistic, with the LA one straight insane.
9 avr. 2023 à 12 h 0
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Yeah! Who wants a consistent 20 goal scorer who plays the PK, has a good physical game, and consistently shows up in the playoffs? And they want to trade him for nothing? We demand this useful player at 5MM / per be cheaper. They better throw in a 1st and Crosby at 50% retention too!


If he was younger. I'd say it is fine, but chances are pretty high he declines in his 30s as most players do. It might be fine for a couple years, but considering he is a .5ppg player this year, it could be a sign of the start of decline. Detroit has plenty of competent penalty killers. Suter, Copp, Rasmussen, Larkin, Veleno, are all good, and you can probably add Kasper to the list. 20 goals (just barely) is nice, but Detroit would have had plenty of those if Vrana and Bertuzzi were healthy, not to mention a healthy season from Raymond and a full season of Bergrren. That would have been Larkin, Perron, Kubalik, Vrana, Bertuzzi, Raymond, and Berggren. Probably Rasmussen and Copp too.

Basically, Rust is not needed. Generally you don't give a guy 5 million bucks with 6 plus years all in his 30s to pot 20 goals and kill penalties.That contract is going to age poorly.
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9 avr. 2023 à 12 h 21
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You can if you understand the Context of the deal.
Cap teams at the max have to give up more then they should to make deals to help them longterm.

Brisebois and Yzerman are just the best in the NHL at it.
If cap isnt an issue then gaining a NHL Regular who's Tough and can score goals in year 2 of an ELC is worth paying for.
Brandon Hagel was off his ELC but on a super low cap with 3 years term i believe and look at how that played out for them .

Anyone who's operated or managed a business in North America guys the Supply vs Demand dynamic of this business
9 avr. 2023 à 12 h 27
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Quoting: Victor24
Yeah! Who wants a consistent 20 goal scorer who plays the PK, has a good physical game, and consistently shows up in the playoffs? And they want to trade him for nothing? We demand this useful player at 5MM / per be cheaper. They better throw in a 1st and Crosby at 50% retention too!


if all these players are so valuable... why dont you keep them!
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9 avr. 2023 à 12 h 40
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I'll take rust for that gladly
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9 avr. 2023 à 13 h 5
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I mean Hartman is technically the Wild 1C so I don't see it.
9 avr. 2023 à 13 h 7
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I'll take rust for that gladly


You do realize Copp is already doing the same thing and more, and is younger, right? Rust is playing with 2 centers that make their wings rich. Rust isn't a 20 goal scorer in Detroit.
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9 avr. 2023 à 13 h 24
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Now Pittsburgh isn't giving Rust away. There is a lot of room between the 2 Detroit trades you've posted today try something that lands in the middle.
9 avr. 2023 à 13 h 57
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I'll take rust for that gladly



Getting a player who has 46p for nothing is very intriguing. But looking at his highlights, this guy is a PP merchant.
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9 avr. 2023 à 15 h 36
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Getting a player who has 46p for nothing is very intriguing. But looking at his highlights, this guy is a PP merchant.


And our pp is not good so
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You do realize Copp is already doing the same thing and more, and is younger, right? Rust is playing with 2 centers that make their wings rich. Rust isn't a 20 goal scorer in Detroit.


I like the player and if he's free I'm taking him.
9 avr. 2023 à 16 h 20
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Detroit would accept.

Gabriel Vilardi > Jeff Carter+4th round pick. LA declines.
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9 avr. 2023 à 20 h 1
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If he was younger. I'd say it is fine, but chances are pretty high he declines in his 30s as most players do. It might be fine for a couple years, but considering he is a .5ppg player this year, it could be a sign of the start of decline. Detroit has plenty of competent penalty killers. Suter, Copp, Rasmussen, Larkin, Veleno, are all good, and you can probably add Kasper to the list. 20 goals (just barely) is nice, but Detroit would have had plenty of those if Vrana and Bertuzzi were healthy, not to mention a healthy season from Raymond and a full season of Bergrren. That would have been Larkin, Perron, Kubalik, Vrana, Bertuzzi, Raymond, and Berggren. Probably Rasmussen and Copp too.

Basically, Rust is not needed. Generally you don't give a guy 5 million bucks with 6 plus years all in his 30s to pot 20 goals and kill penalties.That contract is going to age poorly.


Agree to disagree. Yes, this season could be the start of a decline but that wouldn't line up with turning 30. He is a good two way player who can also score goals. I agree that as he hits his mid 30s one of the two is likely to curtail but so long as both don't, he'll only be mildly overpaid.

Yes, Detroit has a number of similar players but you can always use more (as evidenced by your own comments about injured players). I'm not saying Rust is worth the Moon but he certainly has more value than nothing and would not require retention to trade if Pit was foolish (or desperate) enough to do so.
9 avr. 2023 à 20 h 4
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if all these players are so valuable... why dont you keep them!


I'm not advising they trade them. Do you think I started this thread?
 
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