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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #14: Loser Point Szn

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Nazar won’t play NHL games lol. I’d take that bet



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Change in Goal Differential per game, over one season (in cap era)

Rk. Team (year)……Previous….Current…Change (top-25)

1. COL (2017-18)…....-1.35…...0.23……+1.58
2. NJD (2022-23)…....-0.70…...0.72……+1.42
3. PHI (2007-08)…....-1.02…...0.22……+1.24
4. BUF (2015-16)…...-1.41…..-0.20……+1.21
5. BOS (2022-23)….....0.43…...1.58……+1.15

6. PIT (2006-07)….....-0.82…...0.33……+1.15
7. CGY (2018-19).…...-0.33…...0.80……+1.13
8. CGY (2021-22)…....-0.09…...1.04……+1.13
9. COL (2013-14)…....-0.75…...0.35……+1.10
10. BOS (2008-09)…..-0.11…...0.98……+1.09

11. CBJ (2016-17)…...-0.43…...0.66……+1.09
12. NYR (2005-06)…..-0.54…...0.48……+1.02
13. VGK (2020-21)…...0.21…...1.21……+1.00
14. PHI (2019-20)…...-0.48…...0.52……+1.00
15. DET (2020-21)…...-1.73....-0.77……+0.96

16. EDM (2016-17)…..-0.52…..0.44……+0.96
17. CHI (2012-13)……..0.12…...1.08……+0.96
18. VAN (2021-22)…..-0.70…...0.18……+0.88
19. COL (2009-10)…...-0.77…...0.11……+0.88
20. STL (2021-22)…....even…...0.85……+0.85

21. DAL (2022-23)…...-0.13…...0.68……+0.81
23. WPG (2017-18)…..-0.11…...0.70……+0.81
23. NYI (2014-15)…....-0.55…...0.26……+0.81
24. BOS (2007-08)…..-0.91…...-0.11……+0.80
25. ARI (2015-16)…...-1.24…...-0.44……+0.80

26. CAR (2005-06)…...-0.45…...0.34……+0.79
27. TOR (2016-17)…...-0.59…...0.20……+0.79
28. NYI (2018-19)…….-0.39…...0.39……+0.78
29. NJD (2017-18)…...-0.74…...0.04……+0.78
30. OTT (2011-12)…...-0.67…...0.09……+0.76

31. NYR (2019-20)…...-0.56…...0.19……+0.75
32. TOR (2012-13)…...-0.39…...0.35……+0.74
33. MTL (2018-19)…...-0.62…...0.12……+0.74
34. CGY (2014-15)…...-0.44…...0.29……+0.73
35. CBJ (2012-13)…...-0.72…...even……+0.72

36. CHI (2007-08)…...-0.68…...0.04……+0.72
37. ARI (2009-10)…….-0.54…...0.18……+0.72
38. FLA (2014-15)…...-0.90…..-0.18……+0.72
39. NYI (2006-07)…...-0.66…...0.06……+0.72
40. WAS (2009-10)…..0.34…...1.05……+0.71

41. ANA (2005-06)…..-0.35…...0.35……+0.70
42. ANA (2012-13)…..-0.28…...0.40……+0.68
43. ARI (2007-08)…....-0.87…..-0.20……+0.67
44. DET (2022-23)…...-1.01…..-0.36……+0.65
45. NYI (2012-13)…....-0.67…..-0.02……+0.65

46. MTL (2007-08)…...-0.15…...0.50……+0.65
47. OTT (2014-15)…...-0.35…...0.29……+0.64
48. WAS (2007-08)…..-0.50…...0.13……+0.63
49. EDM (2019-20)…..-0.51…...0.11……+0.62
50. BOS (2013-14)…….0.44…...1.06……+0.62

51. STL (2006-07)…....-1.11…..-0.49……+0.62
52. TBL (2017-18)….....0.07…...0.68……+0.61
53. BOS (2010-11)…....0.06…...0.67……+0.61
54. CAR (2018-19)…...-0.34…...0.27……+0.61
55. FLA (2020-21)….....0.06…...0.66……+0.60

56. BUF (2022-23)…...-0.71…..-0.11……+0.60
57. ARI (2022-23)…….-1.26…..-0.67……+0.59

58. CHI (2008-09)….....0.04…...0.62……+0.58
59. MIN (2016-17)…...0.11…...0.70……+0.59
60. TBL (2010-11)…...-0.49…...0.09……+0.58

61. NJD (2011-12)…...-0.44…...0.13……+0.57
62. FLA (2015-16)…...-0.18…...0.39……+0.57
63. COL (2011-12)……-0.80…..-0.23……+0.57
64. DAL (2017-18)……-0.46……0.11……+0.57
65. PIT (2005-06)…....-1.38…..-0.82……+0.56

66. TBL (2012-13)…...-0.56…...even……+0.56
67. MTL (2012-13)…...-0.09…...0.46……+0.55
68. EDM (2011-12)…..-0.84…..-0.30……+0.54
69. LAK (2009-10)…....-0.29…...0.24……+0.53
70. BUF (2005-06)…….-0.01…...0.51……+0.52

71. STL (2011-12)……..0.10…....0.62……+0.52
72. NSH (2014-15)…...-0.23…...0.29……+0.52
73. LAK (2021-22)…….-0.48…...0.04……+0.52
74. MTL (2016-17)…...-0.21…...0.30……+0.51
75. WAS (2014-15)…...-0.05…...0.46……+0.51

76. TBL (2018-19)……...0.68…….1.20……+0.52
77. COL (2020-21)…......0.66…...1.16……+0.50
78. VAN (2014-15)…....-0.30…...0.20……+0.50
79. FLA (2021-22)……....0.66…...1.16……+0.50
80. VAN (2019-20)…….-0.35…....0.14……+0.49

81. NYI (2020-21)……...-0.01…...0.48……+0.49
82. EDM (2015-16)…….-1.01…..-0.52……+0.49
83. COL (2019-20)….....0.17…….0.66……+0.49
84. ANA (2021-22)…….-0.95…..-0.46……+0.49
85. SJS (2013-14)…......0.08…....0.56……+0.48

86. MIN (2012-13)…...-0.62…...-0.15……+0.47
87. NSH (2017-18)…….0.22…....0.70……+0.48
88. TOR (2020-21)……..0.21…...0.68……+0.47
89. PHI (2022-23)…....-1.02…..-0.56……+0.46
90. DAL (2015-16)…….even…...0.45……+0.45

91. NYR (2014-15)…….0.29…...0.74……+0.45
92. LAK (2017-18)…….-0.02…...0.43……+0.45
93. WAS (2012-13)…...-0.10…...0.33……+0.43
94. WPG (2005-06)…...-0.35…...0.07……+0.42
95. OTT (2022-23)…...-0.49…...-0.07……+0.42

96. CBJ (2021-22)…….-0.89…...-0.48……+0.41
97. ARI (2018-19)…....-0.55…...-0.13……+0.42
98. OTT (2005-06)……..0.89…...1.30……+0.41
99. STL (2013-14)……...0.21…...0.62……+0.41
100. CAR (2013-14)…..-0.67…..-0.26……+0.41



Rk. Team (year)……Previous….Current…Change (bottom-10)

535. FLA (2012-13)…...-0.23…...-1.27……-1.04
536. ANA (2022-23)…..-0.46…...-1.51……-1.05
537. ARI (2014-15)…….-0.17…...-1.24……-1.07
538. MTL (2021-22)…..-0.13…...-1.21……-1.08
539. FLA (2022-23)…....1.16……..0.01……-1.15
540. PHI (2006-07)…....0.12…...-1.02……-1.14
541. DET (2019-20)…..-0.59…...-1.73……-1.14
542. LAK (2018-19)…....0.43…...-0.73……-1.16
543. PHI (2020-21)……..0.52…...-0.66……-1.18
544. STL (2022-23)……..0.85…...-0.43……-1.28
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30 mars 2023 à 14 h 55
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streaky in terms of points? That's almost every top 6 forward in the NHL. The only constant point producers are elite/superstars.

In terms of play , engvall is consistent. He's been one of the isles best players over the last month. Consistently using his skating to create scoring chances, since he's joined the 2nd line the isles are outscoring the opposition 10-2. He has 5 goals and a primary assists in his last 9 games.

Most I'd give him is 3.5 x 4


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But he doesn’t hit or fight people so……………..
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30 mars 2023 à 15 h 19
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But he doesn’t hit or fight people so……………..


Nelson and palmieri were under 50% CF% and xG% before Engvall got put on their line. Engvall has been a nice compliment to Nelson’s transition game.

The same thing happened to Jordan Eberle in EDM and NYI. He was a possession monster and consistently generated scoring chances but because he wasn’t physical he was considered useless when he wasn’t scoring.

Things that are undervalued : stick work , exiting the zone with possession, making simple plays in the ozone to maintain possession instead of flinging every puck on net.

Things that are overvalued - hitting , boxing players out, blocking shots, cross checking
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30 mars 2023 à 15 h 21
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Info regarding Flyers potential new uniforms
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30 mars 2023 à 15 h 25
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Nelson and palmieri were under 50% CF% and xG% before Engvall got put on their line. Engvall has been a nice compliment to Nelson’s transition game.

The same thing happened to Jordan Eberle in EDM and NYI. He was a possession monster and consistently generated scoring chances but because he wasn’t physical he was considered useless when he wasn’t scoring.

Things that are undervalued : stick work , exiting the zone with possession, making simple plays in the ozone to maintain possession instead of flinging every puck on net.

Things that are overvalued - hitting , boxing players out, blocking shots, cross checking


What does Horvat's card look like now. His offense definitely took a massive hit
30 mars 2023 à 15 h 31
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What does Horvat's card look like now. His offense definitely took a massive hit


His offense took a hit because his shooting regressed to the mean.

On Vancouver his offensive production was boosted by his shooting bender and Hughes/pettersson on the PP.

His mediocre transition play has been exposed on NYI because he’s being trusted to do all the puck carrying without barzal.



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Nelson and palmieri were under 50% CF% and xG% before Engvall got put on their line. Engvall has been a nice compliment to Nelson’s transition game.

The same thing happened to Jordan Eberle in EDM and NYI. He was a possession monster and consistently generated scoring chances but because he wasn’t physical he was considered useless when he wasn’t scoring.

Things that are undervalued : stick work , exiting the zone with possession, making simple plays in the ozone to maintain possession instead of flinging every puck on net.

Things that are overvalued - hitting , boxing players out, blocking shots, cross checking


Engvall had a positive impact on pretty much every combination he played with (minus Jarnkork who as we've now seen is better in the top six anyways) I would have loved to seen him given the same opportunities are Kerfunk.
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Yet fans with love this noodle cause his grit/per60 is off the charts
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New Game/ QOTD

Who is this on your team?

Most Overrated: Would say Travis Sanheim to some extent, although people have backed off his wagon, I think he bounces back but the people who thought he was 1st Pair Caliber is the audience i'm speaking of.
Most Underated: Noah Cates
Most Overhated: Ivan Provorov - (Not because of Political reasons)
Glue Guy: Scott Laughton
Best Player: Travis Konency/Carter Hart
Worst Player: Justin Braun/Kieffer Bellows
Most Talented Young Player: Joel Farabee

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Most Overrated:
Most Underated:
Most Overhated:
Glue Guy:
Best Player:
Worst Player:
Best Young Player:
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30 mars 2023 à 15 h 51
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Engvall had a positive impact on pretty much every combination he played with (minus Jarnkork who as we've now seen is better in the top six anyways) I would have loved to seen him given the same opportunities are Kerfunk.
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Yet fans with love this noodle cause his grit/per60 is off the charts
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it's insane how a player being physical can make a portion of a fanbase forget every bad thing about a players game. But a skilled player who isn't physical every mistake is magnified and all the good plays are ignored when trying to push the narrative that the player isn't effective.

Most isles fans consider Romanov a franchise defenseman (when he's barely replacement level) and want Dobson traded in the offseason. Both players suck defensively, but Romanov's mistakes aren't brought up because he always looks to hit guys (which usually takes him out of position)
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NYI
Most Overrated: Romanov
Most Underated: Wahlstrom
Most Overhated: Dobson
Glue Guy: Parise
Best Player: Sorokin
Worst Player: Clutterbuck
Best Young Player: Dobson
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New Game/ QOTD

Who is this on your team?

Most Overrated: Would say Travis Sanheim to some extent, although people have backed off his wagon, I think he bounces back but the people who thought he was 1st Pair Caliber is the audience i'm speaking of.
Most Underated: Noah Cates
Most Overhated: Ivan Provorov - (Not because of Political reasons)
Glue Guy: Scott Laughton
Best Player: Travis Konency/Carter Hart
Worst Player: Justin Braun/Kieffer Bellows
Most Talented Young Player: Joel Farabee

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Most Overrated:
Most Underated:
Most Overhated:
Glue Guy:
Best Player:
Worst Player:
Best Young Player:


Most Overrated: Pretty tough to say because anybody playing poorly is getting the hate their play has warranted but I'd say I personally overrate Boeser. Puts up points but his overall play isn't too great. Tbh, our most overrated players were traded at the deadline (Horvat, Schenn)
Most Underated: Garland. He has been glued to the bottom 6 lately and is somehow already at 40 points. See people wanting to ship him out for like a third round pick. Play him with legit top 6 players and he is easily putting up 60+ points. I don't see how playing him on the fourth line is a good idea
Most Overhated: JT Miller. Quite literally our most consistent and best player since arriving to Vancouver and everybody turns on him the second he signs a new contract. Over a point per game in his time in Vancouver and fans still treat him horribly
Glue Guy: Kuzmenko is just such a likeable guy
Best Player: Pettersson no question
Worst Player: OEL our defensive play has been very good without him
Best Young Player: Depends what you consider young but probably Pettersson or Hughes
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Nazar won’t play NHL games lol. I’d take that bet





Give a guy who’s coming back from f*cking hip surgery a break
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30 mars 2023 à 16 h 10
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
New Game/ QOTD

Who is this on your team?

Most Overrated: Would say Travis Sanheim to some extent, although people have backed off his wagon, I think he bounces back but the people who thought he was 1st Pair Caliber is the audience i'm speaking of.
Most Underated: Noah Cates
Most Overhated: Ivan Provorov - (Not because of Political reasons)
Glue Guy: Scott Laughton
Best Player: Travis Konency/Carter Hart
Worst Player: Justin Braun/Kieffer Bellows
Most Talented Young Player: Joel Farabee


Most Overrated: Ryan Suter
Most Underated: Jamie Benn
Most Overhated: Jamie Benn
Glue Guy: Joe Pavelski
Best Player: Miro Heiskanen
Worst Player: Ryan Suter
Best Young Player: define "young" but Wyatt Johnston
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Honey Baker finalists are Cooley, Fantilli and Knies. Two are freshmen, one sophomore.

Only five Freshmen in history have been among the top-3 finalists

1993: Paul Kariya (won)
2015: Jack Eichel (won)
2016: Kyle Connor
2023: Logan Cooley
2023: Adam Fantilli

Five other Freshmen were among the final-10
1987: Brian Leetch
2003: Zach Parise
2018: Matthew Galajda
2022: Luke Hughes
2023: Lane Hutson


It is the fourth time any school has had two finalists in top-3
1981 Minnesota (Broten and Ulseth)
2005 Colorado College (Sterling, Sertich)
2009 Boston University (Wilson, Gilroy)

And the 45th time any school has had two finalists in top-10
1981 Minnesota (Broten and Ulseth)
1982 Bowling Green (McPhee, Hills)
1983 Minnesota (Bjugstad, Erickson)
1983 Providence (Velischek, Kleinendorst)
1985 Michigan State (Miller, Simpson)

1986 Minnesota-Duluth (Maciver, Hull)
1987 Boston College (Leetch, Janney) <-- Freshman/Sophomore combo
1988 Maine (Capuano, Golden)
1989 Boston College (Sweeney, Brown)
1989 Michigan State (Miller, Reynolds)

1989 Harvard (Bourbeau, MacDonald)
1990 Boston College (Emma, Brown)
1990 Bowling Green (Blake, Emerson)
1991 Northern Michigan (Werenka, Beattie)
1992 Maine (Pellerin, Roy)

1993 Maine (Kariya, Montgomery)
1994 Michigan (Oliver, Wiseman, Shields)
1996 Boston University (Pandolfo, Drury)
1996 Minnesota (Bonin, Crowley)
1996 Vermont (St. Louis, Perron)

1997 Michigan (Morrison, Madden)
1998 Michigan State (Alban, York)
2000 Boston College (Gionta, Farkas, Mottou)
2004 North Dakota (Parise, Bochenski)
2005 Colorado College (Sterling, Sertich)

2006 Colorado College (Sterling, Sertich)
2008 North Dakota (Oshie, Lamoureux)
2009 Boston University (Wilson, Gilroy)
2010 Denver (Cheverie, Rakhshani)
2010 Wisconsin (Geoffrion, Smith)

2011 Miami (Miele, Carpenter)
2013 North Dakota (Knight, Kristo)
2013 St Lawrence (Flanagan, Carey)
2014 Boston College (Gaudreau, Hayes)
2016 Michigan (Connor, Motte, Compher)

2017 Union (Vecchione, Foo)
2018 Northeastern (Gaudette, Sikura)
2019 St Cloud State (Schuldt, Newell)
2020 Minnesota State (McKay, Michaelis)
2021 Boston College (Boldy, Knight)

2021 Quinnipiac (Tufto, Petruzzelli)
2021 Wisconsin (Caufield, Holloway)
2022 Michigan (Beniers, Hughes) <-- Freshman/Sophomore combo
2023 Minnesota (Cooley, Knies) <-- Freshman/Sophomore combo
2023 Quinnipiac (Graf, Perets)
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Most Overrated: Michael Bunting
Most Underated: Calle Jarnkrok
Most Overhated: Morgan Rielly
Glue Guy: TJ Brodie
Best Player: William Nylander
Worst Player: Wayne Simmonds
Best Young Player: Timothy Liljegren
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
New Game/ QOTD

Who is this on your team?

Most Overrated: Would say Travis Sanheim to some extent, although people have backed off his wagon, I think he bounces back but the people who thought he was 1st Pair Caliber is the audience i'm speaking of.
Most Underated: Noah Cates
Most Overhated: Ivan Provorov - (Not because of Political reasons)
Glue Guy: Scott Laughton
Best Player: Travis Konency/Carter Hart
Worst Player: Justin Braun/Kieffer Bellows
Most Talented Young Player: Joel Farabee



EDM
Most Overrated: Ceci (he shouldn't be paired with Nurse)
Most Underated: McLeod
Most Overhated: Nurse
Glue Guy: Hyman
Best Player: McDavid
Worst Player: Campbell
Best Young Player: Bouchard/Skinner
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Quoting: mondo
Most Overrated: Michael Bunting
Most Underated: Calle Jarnkrok
Most Overhated: Morgan Rielly
Glue Guy: TJ Brodie
Best Player: William Nylander
Worst Player: Wayne Simmonds
Best Young Player: Timothy Liljegren


Bunting take is such a W.

Simmonds take though hurts, definitely not as good now butttttttt....
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
New Game/ QOTD

Who is this on your team?

Most Overrated: Would say Travis Sanheim to some extent, although people have backed off his wagon, I think he bounces back but the people who thought he was 1st Pair Caliber is the audience i'm speaking of.
Most Underated: Noah Cates
Most Overhated: Ivan Provorov - (Not because of Political reasons)
Glue Guy: Scott Laughton
Best Player: Travis Konency/Carter Hart
Worst Player: Justin Braun/Kieffer Bellows
Most Talented Young Player: Joel Farabee

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NJD

Most Overrated: Miles Wood, Lindy Ruff
Most Underated: Jesper Bratt, Jesper Bratt, Jesper Bratt
Most Overhated: Jack Hughes (by non-Devils fans), MacKenzie Blackwood (by Devils fans)
Glue Guy: Nico Hischier, Erik Haula, Miles Wood
Best Player: Jack Hughes, Nico Hischier, Jesper Bratt
Worst Player: Brendan Smith
Best Young Player: Jack Hughes, Dawson Mercer
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Most Overrated: Savard
Most Underated: Matheson
Most Overhated: Dvorak
Glue Guy: Gallagher
Best Player: Suzuki
Worst Player: Edmundson wink
Best Young Player: Wish this was more specific. Suzuki
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I find it hilarious how much bias can take over a person. I never thought I'd see a day where a person was willing to die on a hill, insisting Barclay Goodrow is worth every penny of his contract
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30 mars 2023 à 18 h 50
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I find it hilarious how much bias can take over a person. I never thought I'd see a day where a person was willing to die on a hill, insisting Barclay Goodrow is worth every penny of his contract


really? did you see this on capfriendly? If so, give us the link.
30 mars 2023 à 18 h 54
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really? did you see this on capfriendly? If so, give us the link.


https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/695808?post_id=3968480

Barclay Goodrow is such a random player to fanboy.
30 mars 2023 à 19 h 45
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Tintin over 1122
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New Game/ QOTD

Who is this on your team?

Most Overrated: Would say Travis Sanheim to some extent, although people have backed off his wagon, I think he bounces back but the people who thought he was 1st Pair Caliber is the audience i'm speaking of.
Most Underated: Noah Cates
Most Overhated: Ivan Provorov - (Not because of Political reasons)
Glue Guy: Scott Laughton
Best Player: Travis Konency/Carter Hart
Worst Player: Justin Braun/Kieffer Bellows
Most Talented Young Player: Joel Farabee

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Most Overrated: Ovechkin
Most Underated: Strome
Most Overhated: Carlson
Glue Guy: TVR
Best Player: Ovechkin
Best player Talent Wise : Kuznetsov
Worst Player: Mantha or Matt Irwin or Craig Smith
Best Young Player: Sandin
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30 mars 2023 à 19 h 52
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I'm scared. Sean Farrell had a nearly identical goal as Ryan Poehling's 1st.
 
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