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Créé par: NucksnOilers
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 24 mars 2023
Publié: 24 mars 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
23 750 000 $
21 350 000 $
21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1825 000 $
21 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Kulak, Brett
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Trenin, Yakov (500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Nashville liked Yams at the tdl
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2185 000 000 $85 417 500 $850 000 $1 500 000 $-417 500 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance650 000 $$650K)
AG, C
RFA - 1
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12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Predators de Nashville
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
C
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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825 000 $825 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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DD
UFA - 1

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24 mars 2023 à 21 h 23
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More or less.
Only real issue is bringing in another LHD with term and Matheson has become a leader, which may be preferable for the development stage.
That said, I like Kulak but would immediately be looking to trade him for a RHD. We don't need anything in that package, it's just a pure value trade.
A 3-way or series of trades for Montreal to end up with a RHD would be an idea to expand on.
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Quoting: ricochetii
More or less.
Only real issue is bringing in another LHD with term and Matheson has become a leader, which may be preferable for the development stage.
That said, I like Kulak but would immediately be looking to trade him for a RHD. We don't need anything in that package, it's just a pure value trade.
A 3-way or series of trades for Montreal to end up with a RHD would be an idea to expand on.


Ceci could be going the other way if that's preferred? I just assumed Habs fans preferred Kulak due to his history on the team.
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24 mars 2023 à 21 h 30
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If NSH was legitimately interested in Yamamoto, you'd think he would have been the salary heading back in the Ekholm trade, instead of Barrie.

Regardless, Trenin is the cheaper and better player. Even if NSH did want Yams, why are they the ones adding a pick and retaining salary?
24 mars 2023 à 21 h 50
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If NSH was legitimately interested in Yamamoto, you'd think he would have been the salary heading back in the Ekholm trade, instead of Barrie.

Regardless, Trenin is the cheaper and better player. Even if NSH did want Yams, why are they the ones adding a pick and retaining salary?


Yams was always better than Schaefer, Schaefer isn't gonna be much more than a bottom 6 guy while Yams has played at a 50 point pace most of his career when healthy. Barrie also isn't smth Edmonton is interested in while I guess Nashville was?

I don't know what makes Trenin the better player here. Yams has always been better offensively and a much better forechecker. Trenin has never eclipsed .25 ppg in a year while Yams is consistently at 0.50 ppg. Unless Trenin is some defensive beast I don't really know what makes him so special?
24 mars 2023 à 22 h 25
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This isn't going to be popular but if we are moving Matheson it's for a Bouchard type of RHD, not a Kulak and especially not a Ceci. We are trying to get younger, faster and better. Not lower, slower and worse. BTW, I know that doesn't work for Edmonton was just saying what we would be looking for.
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This isn't going to be popular but if we are moving Matheson it's for a Bouchard type of RHD, not a Kulak and especially not a Ceci. We are trying to get younger, faster and better. Not lower, slower and worse. BTW, I know that doesn't work for Edmonton was just saying what we would be looking for.


Kulak is just for cap/roster reasons. Bourgault would be the main piece in the deal. IMO all young players outside of Bouch,Broberg,Skinner, Holloway and Mcleod are all on the table so would any other prospects interest you? Even the 24 first would be on the table
24 mars 2023 à 22 h 56
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Ceci could be going the other way if that's preferred? I just assumed Habs fans preferred Kulak due to his history on the team.


It would make more sense, but I think we'd rather pocket the assets and go after a different/younger RHD. Really depends who a hypothetical 3rd team would prefer, because Montreal isn't particularly interested in either.
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I don’t get why the Habs would accept this, and why there are people saying they accept this. Matheson is a stud with a good contract, he’s not leaving unless theres an overpay or its TDL when he’s a rental and MTL aren’t contending
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24 mars 2023 à 23 h 9
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Quoting: Drshnuckels91
Kulak is just for cap/roster reasons. Bourgault would be the main piece in the deal. IMO all young players outside of Bouch,Broberg,Skinner, Holloway and Mcleod are all on the table so would any other prospects interest you? Even the 24 first would be on the table


That's the thing, Montreal doesn't need a piece coming back to fill a LD spot we have 2 too many already. This offer is basically like me offering Kidney + Wideman + 2023 2nd for Nurse. Sure Kulak is better than Wideman but the Habs 2nd is also better than the Oilers 2nd so that balances that part out. Our biggest roster hole is at RD and specifically top pairing, I understand that Bouchard isn't available but either is Matheson. He is our best D man and a son of the city having a bounce back season while taking on a bigger role. So unless we package him for a Bouchard then there really isn't a deal that makes sense for us.
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Yams was always better than Schaefer, Schaefer isn't gonna be much more than a bottom 6 guy while Yams has played at a 50 point pace most of his career when healthy. Barrie also isn't smth Edmonton is interested in while I guess Nashville was?

I don't know what makes Trenin the better player here. Yams has always been better offensively and a much better forechecker. Trenin has never eclipsed .25 ppg in a year while Yams is consistently at 0.50 ppg. Unless Trenin is some defensive beast I don't really know what makes him so special?


He's better defensively and is a crucial part in adding grit to our bottom 6 at a reasonable price.

Yams isn't near an ideal target for us because we already have two undersized right handed wingers in Tomasino and Evangelista, who are already outperforming yams.
24 mars 2023 à 23 h 35
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I don’t get why the Habs would accept this, and why there are people saying they accept this. Matheson is a stud with a good contract, he’s not leaving unless theres an overpay or its TDL when he’s a rental and MTL aren’t contending


I said it's more or less fair. If we are just looking to cash in on his performance, open up a LHD spot, and can use the value from a Matheson trade toward acquiring a RHD (such as a Bouchard) in another transaction, that makes sense.

I like Matheson, but we don't have a long term need on LD and we do have a need at RD. If you can convert him into a RHD you have to consider it.
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25 mars 2023 à 12 h 4
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Yams was always better than Schaefer, Schaefer isn't gonna be much more than a bottom 6 guy while Yams has played at a 50 point pace most of his career when healthy. Barrie also isn't smth Edmonton is interested in while I guess Nashville was?

I don't know what makes Trenin the better player here. Yams has always been better offensively and a much better forechecker. Trenin has never eclipsed .25 ppg in a year while Yams is consistently at 0.50 ppg. Unless Trenin is some defensive beast I don't really know what makes him so special?


Yeah, Trenin is the better player defensively. While Yams is impressively physical for his size, Trenin is obviously a couple tiers above him there. I think their point totals would be a lot closer - if not reversed - if they had been in each other's spots. Yams gets more icetime, and more time with better players. Trenin get used almost exclusively in a defensive role, with linemates like Cole Smith and Sissons, instead of guys like Kane, McDavid, Drai, etc.

I don't think it's a huge gap between them though, and others may disagree with me. When you look at their cap hits, Trenin is easily the better value. My point about it being odd NSH is the team adding a pick and retaining salary stands.
25 mars 2023 à 12 h 19
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I don’t get why the Habs would accept this, and why there are people saying they accept this. Matheson is a stud with a good contract, he’s not leaving unless theres an overpay or its TDL when he’s a rental and MTL aren’t contending



The Oilers would be wise to do this instead of EK65. Matheson's cap hit at 4.87M is perfect for another 3 years in the McDrai window, he's going to getting Chychrun levels of hype if he's put on the market
25 mars 2023 à 12 h 23
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I said it's more or less fair. If we are just looking to cash in on his performance, open up a LHD spot, and can use the value from a Matheson trade toward acquiring a RHD (such as a Bouchard) in another transaction, that makes sense.

I like Matheson, but we don't have a long term need on LD and we do have a need at RD. If you can convert him into a RHD you have to consider it.


Matheson for Bouchard would also be pretty good bet for both teams. Habs get upside and the Oilers get a legit PP Qb without the brain farts and with cost certainty.
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Edmonton isn't spending a dime on another LHD. There's simply no logic to it.

The fact that you have Nurse -Ceci on the third pairing tells me you are biased. They currently play more minutes v Elite forwards than any other pairing in the league, and just about break even. Either you aren't paying attention or you just hate them. Either way, it flies in the face of reality.

Yamamoto has far more value than a 4th liner. Guys like Trenin are available every summer in free agency for league minimum, you don't trade actual contributors for them. Especially when he's a rental.
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Edmonton isn't spending a dime on another LHD. There's simply no logic to it.

The fact that you have Nurse -Ceci on the third pairing tells me you are biased. They currently play more minutes v Elite forwards than any other pairing in the league, and just about break even. Either you aren't paying attention or you just hate them. Either way, it flies in the face of reality.

Yamamoto has far more value than a 4th liner. Guys like Trenin are available every summer in free agency for league minimum, you don't trade actual contributors for them. Especially when he's a rental.


Nurse-Ceci on the 3rd pair is not a discredit to them. Those are just the 3 pairings I liked they can all play equal amounts of time imo.

Yams just needs to be moved somehow due to cap constraints for Matheson to come on in. I feel like for us to compete now we need one more solid top-4 guy on D. Probably should be a RD but matheson is just too perfect of a fit. All 3 pairings on this D with him on the team could be a first pairing which is amazing.
 
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