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Créé par: JeffGorton
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 8 mars 2023
Publié: 8 mars 2023
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Description
Assume the Picks are 6th and 12th (as of 8/3/2023)

These are the people the Habs should targeting

6th pick:
Michkov (if he drops)
Benson
Smith
Cristall

12th pick: (If not traded for Dubois)
Leonard
Gulyayev
Moore

Or you move down for 2 picks in the 25-32 range and draft
Perron
Dragicevic
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MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
Détails additionnels:
Dont even reply if your response is gonna be "Anderson is a bum, hes a cap dump, no one is the league wants him" Just cope

Anderson could be switched with a Dvorak is center is a bigger need but a contract needs to be sent the other way
WPG
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. Kostenko, Dmitri [Liste de réserve]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
In any Dubois trade, the Jets will be receiving less than what Meier got the Sharks

Devils 1st and 2nd < Fla 1st
Mukhamadullin > Kidney
Zetterlund, Johnsson, Okhotiuk < Anderson, Kostenko
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MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MIN)
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Im assuming the pick is in the 20 -25 range
MIN
  1. Edmundson, Joel (1 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Eddy with 1 yr left and 50% retained should be able to garner a 1st rounder or early 2nd
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8 mars 2023 à 15 h 47
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Wild pass pretty easily.
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Wild pass pretty easily.


Seriously these are the kinds of trades that an organization would really regret sooner then later.
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8 mars 2023 à 15 h 50
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Wild pass pretty easily.


Dont think thats too true. They have an extra 2m in cap penalties and need d men considering Dumba and Klingberg are probably gone. And they gotta think about the 7m raise Boldy is getting. Cheap contracted d men with cup pedigree is what they need to stay in the playoffs
8 mars 2023 à 15 h 52
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No from Winnipeg. As explained in all the other similar ACGM's Anderson would be behind 6 other wingers and has no value to the Jets.
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8 mars 2023 à 15 h 54
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Dont think thats too true. They have an extra 2m in cap penalties and need d men considering Dumba and Klingberg are probably gone. And they gotta think about the 7m raise Boldy is getting. Cheap contracted d men with cup pedigree is what they need to stay in the playoffs


No it's true. Just because they need cheap defensemen doesn't mean they need to overpay for them. If the Wild wanted this deal, it could have gotten done at the deadline when they could have actually gotten another playoff run out of him. But they don't want it, so it didn't get done. There's a reason they didn't trade their first, and that's not going to change at the draft suddenly for Joel Edmunson.

Very easy no.
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8 mars 2023 à 16 h 6
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Term on anderson doesn’t work for Winnipeg, Winnipeg can’t afford to be mediocre and old, with decision time coming on helly/scheifele/wheeler, stacking another vet on with term just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. So anderson not an ask for Winnipeg. Team control or audition type 2 years or less contracts are what Winnipeg would be interested in.
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8 mars 2023 à 16 h 15
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-Winnipeg would take the picks/prospects, I'm sure, but they would want a different roster player than Josh Anderson. Anderson doesn't replace Dubois on the roster, and he doesn't displace anyone from the team's top-6 wingers (Kyle Connor, Nik Ehlers, Blake Wheeler, Cole Perfetti) so he's an expensive 3rd liner at best. The more I look at it, the more I don't see a fit for this trade - most of the younger prospects the Habs can offer as PLD replacements aren't quite there yet (Beck/Kidney/Roy), and the roster players that they have that are younger than PLD are probably not moved. I could see Winnipeg targeting Kirby Dach, but if you're pushing Dvorak over him, I'd want back a better prospect than Kostenko.

-Minnesota passes, the fit isn't there. They have Jonas Brodin and Jacob Middleton signed next season as LD1/LD2, with Jon Merrill, Alex Goligoski, and a trio of prospects all under contract next year and able to step in at LD3. No need to sacrifice a 1st round pick for an aging player with back problems.
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8 mars 2023 à 16 h 24
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-Winnipeg would take the picks/prospects, I'm sure, but they would want a different roster player than Josh Anderson. Anderson doesn't replace Dubois on the roster, and he doesn't displace anyone from the team's top-6 wingers (Kyle Connor, Nik Ehlers, Blake Wheeler, Cole Perfetti) so he's an expensive 3rd liner at best. The more I look at it, the more I don't see a fit for this trade - most of the younger prospects the Habs can offer as PLD replacements aren't quite there yet (Beck/Kidney/Roy), and the roster players that they have that are younger than PLD are probably not moved. I could see Winnipeg targeting Kirby Dach, but if you're pushing Dvorak over him, I'd want back a better prospect than Kostenko.

-Minnesota passes, the fit isn't there. They have Jonas Brodin and Jacob Middleton signed next season as LD1/LD2, with Jon Merrill, Alex Goligoski, and a trio of prospects all under contract next year and able to step in at LD3. No need to sacrifice a 1st round pick for an aging player with back problems.


Montreal should just draft away and forget about Dubois, the faithful are probably crying for a local boy, but this draft is so deep, 2 in lottery could be rather franchise changing. Especially without having to pick by position or size. Best players available could be pretty interesting, possibly gamble on Michkov early with the backup of having the second first. Wheatkings danielson probably gets you your cheaper younger version of dubois also, might be a little early at the Florida pick. And probably a couple years away but that’s the joy of drafting.
8 mars 2023 à 16 h 35
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Gulyayev is a LhD, so with Matheson still strong and Guhle, Harris and Xhekaj already playing in the NHL and Lane Hutson on the horizon, Gulyayev would seem to be unnecessary. Wouldn't a RhD like Sandin Pellikka or Reinbacher be better choices with the Florida pick?

Your hint about exchanging that pick for St. Louis' two later picks is an interesting one. (Of course, who would add what, if anything, would have to wait to see where all three picks end up.)
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8 mars 2023 à 18 h 4
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1st pick : Dvorsky
2nd pick: Reinbacher
3rd pick (trade up to ensure the selection) : Hrabal

I'd be rather disappointed otherwise, personally.
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8 mars 2023 à 18 h 24
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1st pick : Dvorsky
2nd pick: Reinbacher
3rd pick (trade up to ensure the selection) : Hrabal

I'd be rather disappointed otherwise, personally.


Dvorsky's stock is dropping this year quicker then Wrights last year.

We want Bedard , Fantilli , then Michkov.
After that we're happy taking the best available so if that's Dvorsky we'll take him
But chances are that will be Smith or Michkov

12th is see us trading to STL for their 25th and 29th or to CHI, SJS or CBJ for their late 1st and their early 2nd round picks .
We need RD and G both are clustered 20th-40th overall
There's really only a size difference between RD in top 20 vs RD is top 40.
Hrabal is there in the late 20's early 30's with Jonathon Quicks NCAA team his home for next year.
Bonk and Allen are just as solid as Reinbecher. Sandin Pekka i think his last name is has a higher upside offensively as a mobile D but has holes on his back side .
They all project as top 4 Dand i dont see any playing top pair in MTL but i think Bonk fits the best.

So

Michkov
Bonk
Hrabal


38th i'm taking 6'5 Daniil But just to head the French Announcer yell "Daniil But Dans Le But !!!!!!!!!!!"
But all jokes aside he's a long shot but if we can correct a few things like his level of Physicality he could be a good depth option to watch Michkov's back when they turn pro around the same time.
Good linemate for someone undersized and mobile who's a goal scorer as But is the Pacioretty type come in late and catch them off guard goal scoring type
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8 mars 2023 à 18 h 34
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Dvorsky's stock is dropping this year quicker then Wrights last year.

We want Bedard , Fantilli , then Michkov.
After that we're happy taking the best available so if that's Dvorsky we'll take him
But chances are that will be Smith or Michkov

12th is see us trading to STL for their 25th and 29th or to CHI, SJS or CBJ for their late 1st and their early 2nd round picks .
We need RD and G both are clustered 20th-40th overall
There's really only a size difference between RD in top 20 vs RD is top 40.
Hrabal is there in the late 20's early 30's with Jonathon Quicks NCAA team his home for next year.
Bonk and Allen are just as solid as Reinbecher. Sandin Pekka i think his last name is has a higher upside offensively as a mobile D but has holes on his back side .
They all project as top 4 Dand i dont see any playing top pair in MTL but i think Bonk fits the best.

So

Michkov
Bonk
Hrabal


38th i'm taking 6'5 Daniil But just to head the French Announcer yell "Daniil But Dans Le But !!!!!!!!!!!"
But all jokes aside he's a long shot but if we can correct a few things like his level of Physicality he could be a good depth option to watch Michkov's back when they turn pro around the same time.
Good linemate for someone undersized and mobile who's a goal scorer as But is the Pacioretty type come in late and catch them off guard goal scoring type


Yanno, I could definitely see that working too. Trade FLA 1st for later 1sts from STL and get Hrabal and keep our 2nd, hell we could trade our second still and add some other picks (4ths for example) and get yet another 1st. Imagine KH pulls that beauty move off.

Select in the 1-8 range
Trade back from the 11-15 range to 25th & 29th
Trade up from our 2nd to another 1st (BOS 1st in TOR who need to replenish the ranks for example)

It's actually possible for KH to end up with 4 1sts this year... holy...
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8 mars 2023 à 18 h 53
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Yanno, I could definitely see that working too. Trade FLA 1st for later 1sts from STL and get Hrabal and keep our 2nd, hell we could trade our second still and add some other picks (4ths for example) and get yet another 1st. Imagine KH pulls that beauty move off.

Select in the 1-8 range
Trade back from the 11-15 range to 25th & 29th
Trade up from our 2nd to another 1st (BOS 1st in TOR who need to replenish the ranks for example)

It's actually possible for KH to end up with 4 1sts this year... holy...


True it will be fun to see how it all works out for MTL
he could end up doing another Romanov type flip with FLA pick and do what you suggest with our 2nd
I think it all depends how bad certain teams lose and how angry certain GMs become.
There's a few Dach like Situations out there that MTL could capitalize on
Who knows maybe this year we trade a Center for a pick then flip it for a RD the opposite of last year lol

Cant wait for the draft.
Still hope we draft Daniil But just to hear Michel Lacroix stroke out trying to scream it lol
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8 mars 2023 à 19 h 3
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True it will be fun to see how it all works out for MTL
he could end up doing another Romanov type flip with FLA pick and do what you suggest with our 2nd
I think it all depends how bad certain teams lose and how angry certain GMs become.
There's a few Dach like Situations out there that MTL could capitalize on
Who knows maybe this year we trade a Center for a pick then flip it for a RD the opposite of last year lol

Cant wait for the draft.
Still hope we draft Daniil But just to hear Michel Lacroix stroke out trying to scream it lol


KH is a wildcard lol anything is possible
He could pull the trader back with FLA 1st to STL for their 1sts
Flip one of them + for a C or RD we need
AND
Trade up our 2nd
PLUS
still have tons of picks to play with for the rest of the draft to trade for specific position in the order to get players he wants.

Oh booooyyyyyy this is gonna be unreal lol this draft is going to help establish the next decade of MTL hockey and I'm all for it! The stroke out with a tongue twister is gonna be hilarious too
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9 mars 2023 à 9 h 10
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Quoting: Just_A_Guess
1st pick : Dvorsky
2nd pick: Reinbacher
3rd pick (trade up to ensure the selection) : Hrabal

I'd be rather disappointed otherwise, personally.



Please tell me youre trolling
9 mars 2023 à 13 h 31
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Please tell me youre trolling


How do you consider that trolling?

We still don't have our top 6 C's figured out, we need RD, we need a goalie. We have endless wingers already so I don't see a point in drafting more with our top picks.

If I was trolling I'd tell you to trade our 1sts for that bum in WPG.
9 mars 2023 à 17 h 34
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How do you consider that trolling?

We still don't have our top 6 C's figured out, we need RD, we need a goalie. We have endless wingers already so I don't see a point in drafting more with our top picks.

If I was trolling I'd tell you to trade our 1sts for that bum in WPG.


Habs need Elite players. Cause right now Caufield and Hutson and maybe Guhle are our elite prospects. Defence isnt even that much of a need. You have 6 guys and 3 of them can or are elite already in Matheson (playing like a #2 d man), Hutson, and Guhle. Harris, Barron and Mailloux can fill out the top 6

Now for forwards. Caufield is the only elite player. Suzuki is a 2nd line C, Dach can be the 3rd best player on the 1st line and Slaf is a 60 point player max. farrell, roy and beck are good depth pieces but nothing over 55-60 points on a career year. Thats 6 of the top 9 (you need 9 good forwards to win a cup, not only 6). And they need 1 more elite forward, and 1 good top 6 guy. Dubois can be the good top 6 guy and Benson would be the final elite forward.

Dvorsky is a 2nd line player but 3rd line on a cup team
Reinbacher is like Mailloux or Barron quality so a waste of a pick

Its better to draft the elite player at 5 and trade the 12 (or draft Leonard or Cristall) to complete the forward group
10 mars 2023 à 2 h 19
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Dont think thats too true. They have an extra 2m in cap penalties and need d men considering Dumba and Klingberg are probably gone. And they gotta think about the 7m raise Boldy is getting. Cheap contracted d men with cup pedigree is what they need to stay in the playoffs


Brock Faber is most likely going to take Dumba's spot next year. So I don't think the Wild are going to pay a 1st round pick to fill a 3rd pair RD spot. With no trades and being generous in new contracts I expect the Wild to have 2.5 million in cap to find a 3rd pair RD in FA.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Habs need Elite players. Cause right now Caufield and Hutson and maybe Guhle are our elite prospects. Defence isnt even that much of a need. You have 6 guys and 3 of them can or are elite already in Matheson (playing like a #2 d man), Hutson, and Guhle. Harris, Barron and Mailloux can fill out the top 6

Now for forwards. Caufield is the only elite player. Suzuki is a 2nd line C, Dach can be the 3rd best player on the 1st line and Slaf is a 60 point player max. farrell, roy and beck are good depth pieces but nothing over 55-60 points on a career year. Thats 6 of the top 9 (you need 9 good forwards to win a cup, not only 6). And they need 1 more elite forward, and 1 good top 6 guy. Dubois can be the good top 6 guy and Benson would be the final elite forward.

Dvorsky is a 2nd line player but 3rd line on a cup team
Reinbacher is like Mailloux or Barron quality so a waste of a pick

Its better to draft the elite player at 5 and trade the 12 (or draft Leonard or Cristall) to complete the forward group


Caufield isnt our only Elite player he's just our only Elite Goal Scorer.
Elite Playmakers have just as much value in the NHL as Goal Scorer's go through droughts without one but a Elite Playmaker will always find Goal Scorers to feed.(even if lesser skilled ones)

Suzuki may never be 100% player but he's every bit as likely to be the first habs since Kovalev to hit 80 pts in a year.
Dach is a clear cut 2nd line Center who can as you said be the 3/3rd guy on the top line giving MTL their best top line since 1993.

Farrell is an Elite Playmaker as per Coach Nicholas and MSL at rookie camp as they just gushed over Farrell.
Doesnt matter which goal scorers you stick on his line the both Produce. On PP this is especially vital as he helps create a 2nd PP that's a real threat.
He's everything Drouin was suppose to be without any of the hype he got.

A player can have Elite Skilset's without being Elite overall.
Being an Elite Goal scorer like Patrik Laine doesnt make him a complete player as he's on ice for more goals against then he is when goals are created.

So when we have a Josh Roy and Sean Farrel play together strengthening eachothers weak points it makes whatever Center is leading them very lucky by proxy.
I mean outside that Hutson is our only other Elite Skill guy and the rest of our top forwards are Gallagher level role players in the middle 6 with some guys like Teasdale and Condotta who are 2/3rds of our future 4th line with RHP IMO.

Defensively there's Hutson who's elite but as a offensive puck moving defensman and like Subban his defense is sketchy at the best of times. But a Future Norris Trophy guy.
Ghule is one of those multiple time future All Star level guys but i wouldnt call any part of his game elite , just extremely well rounded, mature with good leadership qualities.
Barron is a 2nd pair guy who's a good playmaker with an OK shot. Will need a Harris 200ft guy to make it all about Barron jumping up offensively.
Harris is a good 200ft Joel Edmundson type support guy. Need more guys like this in our forward group.
Xhekaj is a good Orlov type #5 Defensman who steps up into a top 4 role when injuries happen. If he ever gets some accuracy on that slapshot though,that might change.
Kovacevic is a shot blocking stay at home D with good reach and positioning . Not quite a 200ft player but solid in NZ and DZ.
Mailloux is your perfect guys to be on bottom pair with Xhekaj as Special Teams is where he makes his money. He could turn into a Petry type but those odds are long.
Struble is a good well rounded Francis Boullion type Gym Nut who's much stronger then he looks. Plays both sides and is an overall well rounded Defensive D for the bottom 4 as he's versitile.


Trudeau , Beaudin , Engstrom and Norlinder are darkhorse's but could bump one or two of the above mentioned D out.
Beaudin's chemistry with Barron on PP was Dynamic , Trudeau plays with a spark on Defense that reminds me a big of how Kaberle ,Norlinder is a longshot but Hedman's Brother thinks he'll make it over here and he trained him in Europe, but so far small ice's speed has hurt his offensive timing thus far. Engstrom is likely the only 1/4 who could push himself into the middle of a Deep defensive depth pool as he's a Darnell Nurse / Zdeno Chara/ Nik Lidstrom level Workout Nut who speand sun up to sun down non stop training. His coach had to force him to take nights off as he was Training with the team , with the Junior team and by himself from when they opened till the evening . The dedication has shown as he's 2nd in SHL rookie scoring behind Bystedt after skating for his countries U20 team as 2nd pair RD(as a Left shot)


The rest of our D are the longest of shots
Tournigy might be the only one worth mentioning as after Junior rather then hit the ECHL or AHL fighting for minimal minutes. He left for the Slovak liiga at age 20 so he could continue to grow with meaningful minutes while learning the defensive side to his predominately offensive game. IF he has any games for MTL it will be when he's 24-25 and again long shot odds on that like 100-1


Right now we need a Undisputed #1 RD .
Short of that we need a RD who long term can complement Ghule.
Reinbecher i dont think is going to be that guy IMO as he's built to play a Erik Johnson or Karl Alzner style top 4 role .
They even warn in his scouting done expect much "Flash its more substance" explaining he's more of a Defensive minded guy.

Bonk on the other hand is projected more like a Josh Gorges type who will find his success by covering the butts of Offensive Dmen so they can produce more in the OZ.
Ghule when Savards there and can trust his partner jumps up deep into the play crashing the net like a Forward sometimes even . But when Savard on IR that all stops .
Guys like Bonk could really help him hit that next level. While we hoped Barron would adapt and join Ghule ,they need different things and share the need to be the best player on their line offensive to succeed.

While on Paper Reinbecher >Bonk
IMO the difference isnt that big as the risk of Reinbecher like Norlinder just not adjusting well to Small ice is a reall risk.
Bonk on the other had Grew up playing hockey in both Czechia and Canada following his dad's career demands until it ended then moving back to Canada .
Biggest question about Bonk is how long to pack on some muscle as he's big and lean with like 7 inches on Caufield but only a few pounds of muscle.
Given Boullion has helped a lot of guys become a lot stronger and bigger like Phil Danault , i have faith he'll work just fine here.
Important thing is his biggest flaws are fixed by training and putting him beside guys who produce otherwise being a defensive defensman is as redundant as Eddy has been in these meaningless games.
Just_A_Guess a aimé ceci.
 
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