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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 7 mars 2023
Publié: 7 mars 2023
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Habs right now hold the 7th and 13th picks.

There was an interview with Brian Wilde on TSN radio about who the Habs might be focusing on in the Draft. And Wilde said Fans wont like who the Habs are looking at. He didnt give any names but said they were looking for bigger players.
Looks like these are players that are being targeted:
David Reinbacher
Matthew Wood
Calum Ritchie

But Wilde did say that the Habs wont be reaching if the pick is top 4
Bedard
Fantili
Carlsson
Michkov

Unless the pick is top 4, id rather trade it then draft these 'big bodied' bums
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I really have no clue about the value here but a 7th pick in a stacked draft should be able to get you this
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7 mars 2023 à 9 h 28
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lol, i would be stocked to have wood or reinbacher
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Reinbacher is gonna be the 1st D picked this draft.. by the Habs with Florida's pick. It's a beautiful thing.
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7 mars 2023 à 9 h 41
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That's a laughable proposal to Los Angeles. Brandt Clarke has already proven that he's more likely to be a top-line player than anybody who will be available at #7 in this year's draft. And the only players being considered for that slot (the names above are perfect examples) are forwards and, perhaps, RhDs, which are not positions of need or interest to the Kings.
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7 mars 2023 à 9 h 44
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Completely unrealistic to think Winnipeg is taking back a long term cap dump without being paid to do so.

Where do Montreal fans come up with this crap?
7 mars 2023 à 9 h 53
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Quoting: jonh514
Reinbacher is gonna be the 1st D picked this draft.. by the Habs with Florida's pick. It's a beautiful thing.


I agree but more of a 1st RD at best and projected similar to Erik Johnson
Which to me is still great and a top pair guy just not a #1 D in todays NHL is all IMO

Will be a steal of a pick and the fact we basically swapped Chiarot for him is to perfect.
7 mars 2023 à 9 h 59
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Quoting: Windjammer
Completely unrealistic to think Winnipeg is taking back a long term cap dump without being paid to do so.

Where do Montreal fans come up with this crap?


What this site considers a Cap Dump most Credible Journalist and even most not so credible ones dont call Anderson a capdump.
What you hear over and over is in a few years when Cap goes up and his term goes down a lot more people will be interested.

Anderson to me we're fine keeping
Gally like Byron since the SCF run has missed increasingly more time injured each season
We're getting to the point he'll likely just join Byron, Weber and Price on LTIR retirement .
Its the only remote reason we're worried cap was is Gally's contract is viewed to be unmovable due to his constant comebacks and returns to LTIR.
If he was just on LTIR full time at this point he'd have more value.

MTL Doctors letting players play injured is why we're in this spot .
They need to fire the current staff and fix this issue as it results in this situations with Drouin,Monahan, Eddy and now Gallagher amongst others.
Now its Hughes who has inherited this mess.
7 mars 2023 à 10 h 9
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What this site considers a Cap Dump most Credible Journalist and even most not so credible ones dont call Anderson a capdump.
What you hear over and over is in a few years when Cap goes up and his term goes down a lot more people will be interested.

Anderson to me we're fine keeping
Gally like Byron since the SCF run has missed increasingly more time injured each season
We're getting to the point he'll likely just join Byron, Weber and Price on LTIR retirement .
Its the only remote reason we're worried cap was is Gally's contract is viewed to be unmovable due to his constant comebacks and returns to LTIR.
If he was just on LTIR full time at this point he'd have more value.

MTL Doctors letting players play injured is why we're in this spot .
They need to fire the current staff and fix this issue as it results in this situations with Drouin,Monahan, Eddy and now Gallagher amongst others.
Now its Hughes who has inherited this mess.


It's good that you're perfectly fine keeping Anderson, because no one is taking him. Yes, in a few years when he is a rental, he may have minimal value. But right now, with 4 years left on an awful contract, Anderson is a pure cap dump.

Don't forget these so called "journalists" are the same ones Montreal fans have been parroting for months going on an on about how Anderson was going to return a 1st and top prospect at this past TDL. Did that happen? No. Why? Because is was never realistic, it was "journalists" telling Montreal fans what they wanted to hear and was never something any other team considered.
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7 mars 2023 à 10 h 10
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Quoting: Windjammer
Completely unrealistic to think Winnipeg is taking back a long term cap dump without being paid to do so.

Where do Montreal fans come up with this crap?


Anderson is scoring at a 25 goal pace on this Habs team. And his underlying offensive numbers are good so idk how you consider that a cap dump
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
That's a laughable proposal to Los Angeles. Brandt Clarke has already proven that he's more likely to be a top-line player than anybody who will be available at #7 in this year's draft. And the only players being considered for that slot (the names above are perfect examples) are forwards and, perhaps, RhDs, which are not positions of need or interest to the Kings.


Clarke is on par with Will Smith, Andrew Cristall, Ryan Leornard, With the possibility of Benson and Michkov dropping. All of them have 1st line upside and the last 2 are 90+ point players
7 mars 2023 à 10 h 13
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Kings are looking to win now; why trade a ready player for a draft pick and also have to throw in a 3rd. Blake I hope would hang up the phone quickly.
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Quoting: drambui
lol, i would be stocked to have wood or reinbacher


Why would you ne stocked to have 2 players who are ranked 16th and 19th respectively (Those are high for me) instead of actual talent like Will Smith, Andrew Cristall, Ryan Leornard, Benson and Michkov. Its not even like the Habs need size anymore. 6 of the future top 9 are either over 6'2 or beefy as hell.
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Anderson is scoring at a 25 goal pace on this Habs team. And his underlying offensive numbers are good so idk how you consider that a cap dump


Pace doesn't matter for Anderson as he never plays a full season. He's scored 20 goals once and that was 5 seasons ago. Anderson also gets top 6 minutes and PP time on Montreal, because they have nothing else, that he wouldn't get on other teams.

On Montreal Anderson is a top 6 player, on any other team Anderson is an expensive bottom sixer and won't get those minutes, meaning his point levels will drop.
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Quoting: MMB
Kings are looking to win now; why trade a ready player for a draft pick and also have to throw in a 3rd. Blake I hope would hang up the phone quickly.


Ah yes a ready player with *checks notes* 9 nhl games in a position they dont really need
7 mars 2023 à 10 h 20
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Clarke is on par with Will Smith, Andrew Cristall, Ryan Leornard, With the possibility of Benson and Michkov dropping. All of them have 1st line upside and the last 2 are 90+ point players

You made my point perfectly by using the word "UPSIDE." No one is predicting that those players will reach that level, whereas not only did everyone predict that Clarke would be a top-4 defenseman, he showed proof of that estimation in his brief audition with the team. In short, he's the real deal (like Guhle); the others are potentials (like Hutson).
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Quoting: Windjammer
Pace doesn't matter for Anderson as he never plays a full season. He's scored 20 goals once and that was 5 seasons ago. Anderson also gets top 6 minutes and PP time on Montreal, because they have nothing else, that he wouldn't get on other teams.

On Montreal Anderson is a top 6 player, on any other team Anderson is an expensive bottom sixer and won't get those minutes, meaning his point levels will drop.


Anderson played 61 of the 63 games played this season. show me a team where a 25 goal guy isnt in their top 6 . Once again you talk out of your ass
7 mars 2023 à 10 h 23
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Quoting: Windjammer
It's good that you're perfectly fine keeping Anderson, because no one is taking him. Yes, in a few years when he is a rental, he may have minimal value. But right now, with 4 years left on an awful contract, Anderson is a pure cap dump.

Don't forget these so called "journalists" are the same ones Montreal fans have been parroting for months going on an on about how Anderson was going to return a 1st and top prospect at this past TDL. Did that happen? No. Why? Because is was never realistic, it was "journalists" telling Montreal fans what they wanted to hear and was never something any other team considered.


No they infered from Hughes Repeated Comments that the only way he would move was for one.
There's a big difference in what was said vs what some people heard.

Listen to him yourself its not hard to Source Check.
He keeps saying Anderson is staying and the only way he'd consider moving him was for an overpay like a package with a 1st.
Doesnt mean its happening today , it just means whether its this year , next year , the next year or the one after he'll trade him for a high return.
He's not moving him cap reasons.

Personsally getting Dubois i think is pointless without Anderson .
Slafkovsky-PLD Anderson is the dream scenario behind Caufield-Suzuk-Dach.
Who else will fill that RW spot ? Ylonen? lol no
Gally or Armia ? ... Nope .
Our RW depth isnt exactly stocked as we are basically waiting for Josh Roy to turn Pro.


Armia we'd love to dump.
Gally we'd like to move but can wait for him to hit LTIR like Price,Weber and Byron.
Anderson we like and if he was 2m cheaper fans would be telling people off for asking about him.
Issue is they're willing to bury a good player over the smallest of overpay's , just ask Lars Eller, Andrew Shaw or Jonathon Drouin.

I get that from your POV its not what you want given how Cap Poor your team is next year.
But this Cap Dump fiction is beneath you , yet you lower yourself for low hanging fruit anyways.
Just saying you can say the only way you'd let PLD go is you could clear the cap to acuqire a replacement .
You coulda worded it 100 more accurate ways but again low hanging fruit

Its clear from your message your posts are more about Eye for an Eye type Revenge.
You ever consider Educating Ignorance via Debate as an alternative to perpetuating ignorance?
Just some food for thought
7 mars 2023 à 10 h 25
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Anderson played 61 of the 63 games played this season. show me a team where a 25 goal guy isnt in their top 6 . Once again you talk out of your ass


Show me the seasons where Anderson has scored 25 goals. Winnipeg has 4 better wingers than him as well as 2 others that are equal to him, but far better defensively. He's a bottom sixer.
7 mars 2023 à 10 h 26
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You made my point perfectly by using the word "UPSIDE." No one is predicting that those players will reach that level, whereas not only did everyone predict that Clarke would be a top-4 defenseman, he showed proof of that estimation in his brief audition with the team. In short, he's the real deal (like Guhle); the others are potentials (like Hutson).


See Hutson is the real deal, like these prospects I named. They are that good and everyone would be surprised if they busted. Their floor is top 6 forward. Like how Guhle and Clarkes floors are top 4 d men and Hutsons is top 4 d man. But if you wanna talk about ceilings (which what gms look for), our of all the players mentioned. Clarke has the lowest one
7 mars 2023 à 10 h 26
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Anderson played 61 of the 63 games played this season. show me a team where a 25 goal guy isnt in their top 6 . Once again you talk out of your ass


Quoting: Billy316
No they infered from Hughes Repeated Comments that the only way he would move was for one.
There's a big difference in what was said vs what some people heard.

Listen to him yourself its not hard to Source Check.
He keeps saying Anderson is staying and the only way he'd consider moving him was for an overpay like a package with a 1st.
Doesnt mean its happening today , it just means whether its this year , next year , the next year or the one after he'll trade him for a high return.
He's not moving him cap reasons.

Personsally getting Dubois i think is pointless without Anderson .
Slafkovsky-PLD Anderson is the dream scenario behind Caufield-Suzuk-Dach.
Who else will fill that RW spot ? Ylonen? lol no
Gally or Armia ? ... Nope .
Our RW depth isnt exactly stocked as we are basically waiting for Josh Roy to turn Pro.


Armia we'd love to dump.
Gally we'd like to move but can wait for him to hit LTIR like Price,Weber and Byron.
Anderson we like and if he was 2m cheaper fans would be telling people off for asking about him.
Issue is they're willing to bury a good player over the smallest of overpay's , just ask Lars Eller, Andrew Shaw or Jonathon Drouin.

I get that from your POV its not what you want given how Cap Poor your team is next year.
But this Cap Dump fiction is beneath you , yet you lower yourself for low hanging fruit anyways.
Just saying you can say the only way you'd let PLD go is you could clear the cap to acuqire a replacement .
You coulda worded it 100 more accurate ways but again low hanging fruit

Its clear from your message your posts are more about Eye for an Eye type Revenge.
You ever consider Educating Ignorance via Debate as an alternative to perpetuating ignorance?
Just some food for thought


Fellas, you're wasting your time here. Might as well attempt to explain it to the bathroom door.
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7 mars 2023 à 10 h 26
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Clarke is on par with Will Smith, Andrew Cristall, Ryan Leornard, With the possibility of Benson and Michkov dropping. All of them have 1st line upside and the last 2 are 90+ point players


No im sorry he's right
You're comparing a #1 RD Prospect to some good Middle 6 options.

If you were trading for Durzi , sure
But not the Heir to Doughty's Throne who plays both sides comfortably.
He's just to Verstile of a Youth Leader to move.

While Durzi's good but he's just a Special Teams guy who will have highs and lows like Petry or Gostisbhere based on his teams PP #'s.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Why would you ne stocked to have 2 players who are ranked 16th and 19th respectively (Those are high for me) instead of actual talent like Will Smith, Andrew Cristall, Ryan Leornard, Benson and Michkov. Its not even like the Habs need size anymore. 6 of the future top 9 are either over 6'2 or beefy as hell.


its not that they are just tall, they are also good players. no need to rush the rebuild. there is so much talent in this draft, cant go wrong with many picks. we have also our share off smaller players in caufield, hutson and farrel.
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7 mars 2023 à 10 h 26
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With all due respect to Brian Wilde, I don't see habs management rushing to him and telling him their drafting plans. Makes no sense. "I'm hearing habs are drafting a big bodied d-men" like cite your source,
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Quoting: jonh514
Reinbacher is gonna be the 1st D picked this draft.. by the Habs with Florida's pick. It's a beautiful thing.


someone will take a dman before number 13th. otherwisw it would be the first time in like 40 years a dman was not picked in the top 10.
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7 mars 2023 à 10 h 28
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Quoting: jonh514
Reinbacher is gonna be the 1st D picked this draft.. by the Habs with Florida's pick. It's a beautiful thing.


Can't see a world where no Dman is selected before like 12th ovr. Someone in the top10 will reach for sure
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You made my point perfectly by using the word "UPSIDE." No one is predicting that those players will reach that level, whereas not only did everyone predict that Clarke would be a top-4 defenseman, he showed proof of that estimation in his brief audition with the team. In short, he's the real deal (like Guhle); the others are potentials (like Hutson).


i guess i kinda of disagree that clarke proved anything yet, but i understand that you want to keep him. no one can show you are a top pair dman until you play like one, he still had sheltered mimutrs during his stint with the team. (but.i do believe he can definitly.be one, just think he has still more to prove like most prospect)
 
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