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Caps and Sharks Fans - Lets hammer out a deadline deal

Créé par: Random2152
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 2 mars 2023
Publié: 2 mars 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
I'm looking for a player teams want to dump, that they (or a 3rd party) will retain on who has some upside. I also want to shuffle some draft capital around in the trade

Labanc and Mantha seem like the best choices. I'll make initial proposals here based on what I am looking for.
(Note: Its a 1 or the other thing using the same assets - not a both option)

Trades may or may not have Kerfoot included in them depending on cap issues. At worst he is neutral value dump and frankly he is moderately positive (Engval esq return)

Basically 2024 1st + Kerf for PLAYER (ret to 3.5) and a 2nd and 3rd is the proposal
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Labanc, Kevin (1 225 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (SJS)
SJS
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Maybe Kerf. You could either keep him or flip him
2.
TOR
  1. Mantha, Anthony (2 200 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
WSH
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
Détails additionnels:
2024 1st (probably with top 10 protections, same as above)

Like above - maybe Kerfoot
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2482 500 000 $82 221 246 $212 500 $0 $278 754 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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840 630 $840 630 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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650 000 $650 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
AD, C, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
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850 000 $850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
850 000 $850 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
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766 667 $766 667 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
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2 mars 2023 à 20 h 8
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the deal is SJ is not giving up picks because we're rebuilding unless we're giving up picks for prospects. I get you're having us move up the draft in this trade but that 3rd is definitely not going and preferably we're not sending any picks for Labanc--we're just getting picks for him
2 mars 2023 à 20 h 10
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Quoting: poeticentropy
the deal is SJ is not giving up picks because we're rebuilding unless we're giving up picks for prospects. I get you're having us move up the draft in this trade but that 3rd is definitely not going and preferably we're not sending any picks for Labanc--we're just getting picks for him


That would certainly be ideal, but between his contract with the cap situation the NHL is in, plus an effective effort at destroying his trade value I think if you want a decent pick you'll need to send more value back.

Leafs don't have many picks in the needed range so I paid more and had you reimburse us essentially
2 mars 2023 à 20 h 17
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Sharks 2nd rounder is almost a 1st..
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Sharks 2nd rounder is almost a 1st..


Yes. That is actually the main thing I'm trying to exploit here, because that 1st round tag is hugely overvalued compared to a 2nd
2 mars 2023 à 20 h 21
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Yes. That is actually the main thing I'm trying to exploit here, because that 1st round tag is hugely overvalued compared to a 2nd


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2 mars 2023 à 20 h 24
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Labanc has almost the same cap hit and point total as Neiderreiter and yet labanc is a cap dump with retention but Neiderreiter gets a 2nd in return?
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2 mars 2023 à 20 h 27
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That would certainly be ideal, but between his contract with the cap situation the NHL is in, plus an effective effort at destroying his trade value I think if you want a decent pick you'll need to send more value back.

Leafs don't have many picks in the needed range so I paid more and had you reimburse us essentially


Ah I forgot TOR is nearly clean out of picks at this point, jesus. Maybe Grier would just take a quantity of late picks Jeannot-style. I bet SJ is on Kerfoot's 10 team no trade list, so likely not an option coming back.

I would counter Labanc retained ~2m + CAR's 3rd for TOR's protected 24' 1st (2nd dropped out of the deal). Your 24' 1st is going to be late. Cap situations are screwed so not sure how to make it work honestly, presumes SJ is able to trade other players out which is risky in the amount of time left. We only have 1 retention slot left because Grier used it on Meier...

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2 mars 2023 à 20 h 27
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Labanc has almost the same cap hit and point total as Neiderreiter and yet labanc is a cap dump with retention but Neiderreiter gets a 2nd in return?


Weird how NHL values work eh
2 mars 2023 à 20 h 36
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Ah I forgot TOR is nearly clean out of picks at this point, jesus. Maybe Grier would just take a quantity of late picks Jeannot-style. I bet SJ is on Kerfoot's 10 team no trade list, so likely not an option coming back.

I would counter Labanc retained ~2m + CAR's 3rd for TOR's protected 24' 1st (2nd dropped out of the deal). Your 24' 1st is going to be late. Cap situations are screwed so not sure how to make it work honestly, presumes SJ is able to trade other players out which is risky in the amount of time left. We only have 1 retention slot left because Grier used it on Meier...

I love that Seattle kraken turned into a cute snake logo


We don't need more than 1.225, and to be honest - outside of what I think could be an effective player in Labanc, he (and Kerf) are red herrings.
The real asset I am after is the picks to replenish our cupboards while also helping the team.
Late 1sts are massively overvalued - and I want to leverage that to gain pick value
This is the goal. Makes it more clear what I am trying to do

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2 mars 2023 à 20 h 50
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Sharks aren't retaining plus sending good value picks. No matter how you try to swing opinion it doesn't make any sense for a rebuilding team with cap issues.
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Quoting: Blacktown
Sharks aren't retaining plus sending good value picks. No matter how you try to swing opinion it doesn't make any sense for a rebuilding team with cap issues.


I mean teams in the sharks position have done similar things before.

If you are dumping Labanc (and he would be a dump) you'd either need to pay or retain.
I'm using a ret option, but I don't have the appropriate picks in the 2nd or 3rd to make that.
So I am overpaying, and having you reimburse us the value we give in a 1st rounder. Frankly given the Leafs picks I'd actually rather this way.

If you are a solid no thats fine, I get it. The picks are the real goal of the trade, not the player
2 mars 2023 à 21 h 25
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I mean teams in the sharks position have done similar things before.

If you are dumping Labanc (and he would be a dump) you'd either need to pay or retain.
I'm using a ret option, but I don't have the appropriate picks in the 2nd or 3rd to make that.
So I am overpaying, and having you reimburse us the value we give in a 1st rounder. Frankly given the Leafs picks I'd actually rather this way.

If you are a solid no thats fine, I get it. The picks are the real goal of the trade, not the player


I would argue he isn’t a dump. players with similar production salary and metrics have gotten 3/4th round picks in the last week. if sharks retain like this he is far more value.
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I would argue he isn’t a dump. players with similar production salary and metrics have gotten 3/4th round picks in the last week. if sharks retain like this he is far more value.


Sharks have been destroying his value for the past year, and with the modern cap anything over 3 mil is a """bad deal""" if you aren't a star. Trade value is heavily based on reputation and I don't think that anything has been done to salvage his to where he wouldn't be a dump
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Sharks have been destroying his value for the past year, and with the modern cap anything over 3 mil is a """bad deal""" if you aren't a star. Trade value is heavily based on reputation and I don't think that anything has been done to salvage his to where he wouldn't be a dump


fair.
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fair.


No no! We cant agree!

This is the part where you call me a pedantic a55hole and I say something unflattering about your mother!
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I mean teams in the sharks position have done similar things before.

If you are dumping Labanc (and he would be a dump) you'd either need to pay or retain.
I'm using a ret option, but I don't have the appropriate picks in the 2nd or 3rd to make that.
So I am overpaying, and having you reimburse us the value we give in a 1st rounder. Frankly given the Leafs picks I'd actually rather this way.

If you are a solid no thats fine, I get it. The picks are the real goal of the trade, not the player


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No no! We cant agree!

This is the part where you call me a pedantic a55hole and I say something unflattering about your mother!


my mother is not a ***** you pathetic waste of a fan.
better? I don’t want to ruin your day!
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