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Not time yet to move on from Meier

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Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 24 févr. 2023
Publié: 24 févr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Based on recent reports, the Sharks asking price for Meier is enormous. They have already scared off numerous teams and it appears they are coming close to doing the same with NJD.

Mercer + A-prospect + 1st
Mercer + B-prospect + B-Prospect + 1st

Sharks consider
A-Prospect: Luke Hughes
B-Prospect: Holtz, Mukhamadullin
A/B tweener: Nemec

All without speaking to agent about extension.

So it’s almost a guarantee that Meier will not be going to Devils unless Grier lowers the price dramatically and allows permission to speak to agent about extension….which I think he will do.

Ultimately, the Devils are still the favorites for Meier and the package is going to be something along lines of Fiala deal, plus a piece for the rental this season.

So using that as comp

Meier (RFA rights after 2022-23) = Mukhamadullin, 1st
Meier (rental for 2022-22) = another 1st or good prospect and 2nd

My best guess right now for Meier trade:
1. Mukhamadullin
2. Zetterlund
3. 2023 1st round pick
4. Future 2nd round pick
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    Timo Meier
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          Simon Nemec
          Alexander Holtz
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              Dawson Mercer
              Alexander Holtz
              Shakir Mukhamadullin
              2023 1st round pick
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                Timo Meier

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                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 28
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                  Continue to think Mercer would look great in Teal
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 29
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                  Quoting: Caniac555
                  Continue to think Mercer would look great in Teal


                  Has carolina offered jarvis? once again if not then no need to include mercer, considering nobody close to his value has been put on the table
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 32
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                  I can already see the press conference with Tom. We were in there and the ask was more than what we were willing to give.
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                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 33
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                  This post is about the Devils right?

                  Quoting: dgibb10
                  Has carolina offered jarvis? once again if not then no need to include mercer, considering nobody close to his value has been put on the table
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 35
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                  Those offers arent true.

                  The ask thats did exist were

                  1st + A prospect
                  1st + 2 B prospects
                  1st + 1 B prospect and a good young NHLer

                  My guesses for rough value are probably
                  Mercer + first for the first one
                  Holtz, Casey + First for the second maybe
                  Holtz Zetterlund + first for the third?

                  But thats assuming those views on prospects are true.
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                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 36
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                  Quoting: Caniac555
                  This post is about the Devils right?


                  Yes. If no other team has offered a comparable asset, there is no reason to include Dawson Mercer.

                  As of right now Holtz remains the most valuable asset on the table
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 38
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                  Quoting: papishark
                  Those offers arent true.

                  The ask thats did exist were

                  1st + A prospect
                  1st + 2 B prospects
                  1st + 1 B prospect and a good young NHLer

                  My guesses for rough value are probably
                  Mercer + first for the first one
                  Holtz, Casey + First for the second maybe
                  Holtz Zetterlund + first for the third?

                  But thats assuming those views on prospects are true.


                  I'd do the second and third deals assuming there's retention/wood/johnnson/whatever to make the money work
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 38
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  Sharks consider
                  A-Prospect: Luke Hughes
                  B-Prospect: Holtz, Mukhamadullin
                  A/B tweener: Nemec


                  You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.
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                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 39
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                  Quoting: papishark
                  Those offers arent true.

                  The ask thats did exist were

                  1st + A prospect
                  1st + 2 B prospects
                  1st + 1 B prospect and a good young NHLer

                  My guesses for rough value are probably
                  Mercer + first for the first one
                  Holtz, Casey + First for the second maybe
                  Holtz Zetterlund + first for the third?

                  But thats assuming those views on prospects are true.


                  Ok, So
                  Holtz
                  Casey
                  2023 1st
                  Zetterlund or Sharangovich

                  That is a reasonable offer.
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                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 40
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                  Quoting: Klara
                  You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.


                  Its a quote from one of Shengs non sharks sources speculating . It was paywalled but I saw a screencap of it.

                  Not a verfied fact from SJ internally.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 41
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                  Quoting: Shaners79
                  Ok, So
                  Holtz
                  Casey
                  2023 1st
                  Zetterlund or Sharangovich

                  That is a reasonable offer.


                  Yeah it probably is. I dont like it because I dont like Holtz, but assuming his value is something like 15th-20th overall I think its fair.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 41
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                  Ok, So
                  Holtz
                  Casey
                  2023 1st
                  Zetterlund or Sharangovich

                  That is a reasonable offer.


                  A bit of an overpay in my opinion but I'd do it hesitantly. However if Holtz isn't viewed highly by the sharks (viewed as B prospect) I'd rather just replace him with another guy.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 41
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                  Quoting: Klara
                  You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.


                  That's what Peng said those players are tier-wise. And that old Peng article is referenced on here a lot.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 44
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                  Yeah it probably is. I dont like it because I dont like Holtz, but assuming his value is something like 15th-20th overall I think its fair.


                  If the sharks feel the same way about holtz I think the devils would be happy to keep him.
                  1st
                  Yegor (makes money less of a hassle assuming he and Zett are viewed equally, if not then Zett)
                  Casey
                  Arseni
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                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 45
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                  Quoting: papishark
                  Those offers arent true.

                  The ask thats did exist were

                  1st + A prospect
                  1st + 2 B prospects
                  1st + 1 B prospect and a good young NHLer

                  My guesses for rough value are probably
                  Mercer + first for the first one
                  Holtz, Casey + First for the second maybe
                  Holtz Zetterlund + first for the third?

                  But thats assuming those views on prospects are true.


                  This is not accurate.

                  It was
                  (A) roster player (Mercer)
                  (B) 1st rounder pick (1st)
                  (C) either A-prospect or two B-prospects
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 45
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                  Its a quote from one of Shengs non sharks sources speculating . It was paywalled but I saw a screencap of it.

                  Not a verfied fact from SJ internally.


                  Believe me, I was the one who showed them the article.

                  The article is basically a "source" that personally views prospects like that.

                  Here is the thing though. A few days ago, NHLfan was basically claiming that it's just known that any player that would go in the 1st round in a redraft is an A prospect. And any until the 3rd round is a B prospect. By that own standard, it's basically impossible that anybody anywhere would not consider Nemec or Holtz A prospects.

                  So either the source, who once again isn't even a San Jose source, is wrong, and NHLfan ignores it.

                  Or NHLfan is wrong, but won't admit it.

                  Being that everbody and their mother knows that Nemec is an A prospect, I think we know which case it is.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 48
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                  Quoting: MellowK
                  That's what Peng said those players are tier-wise. And that old Peng article is referenced on here a lot.


                  Except it was what peng said a source (non SJ) interpreted A/B/C prospects as, not at all SJ's internal thinking.
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                  Quoting: Klara
                  You've continued to spread this lie, and still have never brought up anything to suggest this is the case.


                  It’s been reported in a few places and I have responded directly to you with links, sources. If someone is lying, it’s the writers of these stories or their sources.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 50
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  It’s been reported in a few places and I have responded directly to you with links, sources. If someone is lying, it’s the writers of these stories or their sources.


                  You mind sending a link to the thread where you shared this with me?
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 54
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                  Quoting: Klara
                  Except it was what peng said a source (non SJ) interpreted A/B/C prospects as, not at all SJ's internal thinking.


                  Peng himself said "his sources". And these sources are the same sources that gave him the "1st + A prospect, 1st + 2 B prospects or 1st + 1 B prospect and young NHLer" price. So either all of it is true or none of it.

                  These trades are obviously exaggerated though. He implied that Luke+1st would be enough and Nemec+1st would be close.

                  Regardless, I hope Fitz is shopping around.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 21 h 58
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                  Quoting: Klara
                  Here is the thing though. A few days ago, NHLfan was basically claiming that it's just known that any player that would go in the 1st round in a redraft is an A prospect. And any until the 3rd round is a B prospect


                  First, I do not know why so many Sharks fans continue to contest this. This is standard fare in scouting world.

                  Second, that Sheng Peng article has been echo’ed by other Sharks observers and referenced many times by Sharks fans on ACGM. If you want to start pushing back on them, be my guest. But when a Devils fan starts using the sources that Sharks want to fans use, don’t cry to us.
                  24 févr. 2023 à 22 h 3
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                  Quoting: dgibb10
                  If the sharks feel the same way about holtz I think the devils would be happy to keep him.
                  1st
                  Yegor (makes money less of a hassle assuming he and Zett are viewed equally, if not then Zett)
                  Casey
                  Arseni
                  ?


                  If Gritsyuk were signed, he would carry almost as much value as Holtz. Problem is, he is going to return to KHL for 1-2 more years. There was something the other day about a Sharks scout attending Avangard games. So maybe he was in discussion was this was still active.
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                  First, I do not know why so many Sharks fans continue to contest this. This is standard fare in scouting world.

                  Second, that Sheng Peng article has been echo’ed by other Sharks observers and referenced many times by Sharks fans on ACGM. If you want to start pushing back on them, be my guest. But when a Devils fan starts using the sources that Sharks want to fans use, don’t cry to us.


                  I have pushed back on them many times. I have corrected a few specifically on Holtz. (Anybody who actually believes Nemec is a B prospects isn't worth the effort)

                  My point is if you KNOW the "Sharks see Nemec is a B prospect" thing is obviously false, why do you continue to push it?
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  First, I do not know why so many Sharks fans continue to contest this. This is standard fare in scouting world.

                  Second, that Sheng Peng article has been echo’ed by other Sharks observers and referenced many times by Sharks fans on ACGM. If you want to start pushing back on them, be my guest. But when a Devils fan starts using the sources that Sharks want to fans use, don’t cry to us.


                  I have pushed back on them many times. I have corrected a few specifically on Holtz. (Anybody who actually believes Nemec is a B prospects isn't worth the effort)

                  My point is if you KNOW the "Sharks see Nemec is a B prospect" thing is obviously false, why do you continue to push it?
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