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Équipe: 2022-23 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 14 févr. 2023
Publié: 14 févr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. O'Reilly, Ryan (3 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (STL)
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  1. Blueger, Teddy
  2. Hållander, Filip
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
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  1. Dumoulin, Brian
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
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  1. Fleury, Marc-André
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (MIN)
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14 févr. 2023 à 16 h 50
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Pens could use a better defensive defenseman, not Gostisbehere.
14 févr. 2023 à 16 h 52
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Blues aren't trading ROR unless get a first or a good prospect. This ain't it.
14 févr. 2023 à 16 h 54
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14 févr. 2023 à 16 h 55
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Honestly I think I would just stop after the first trade. ROR would be perfect though
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Blues aren't trading ROR unless get a first or a good prospect. This ain't it.


If Pavel Buchnevich is only a 2nd + prospect, no way ROR is worth more from his production and cap hit this year.
14 févr. 2023 à 16 h 55
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What is with all the MAF trades to the Pens lately?
14 févr. 2023 à 16 h 56
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What is with all the MAF trades to the Pens lately?


Pens need a backup goalie, DeSmith isn't it. Also gets the Kapanen contract off the books. Only other goalie I would trade for is Demko but his cap hit is higher.
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 1
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Pens need a backup goalie, DeSmith isn't it. Also gets the Kapanen contract off the books. Only other goalie I would trade for is Demko but his cap hit is higher.


Ahhh I see well the Wild don't really need to trade MAF there is no reason to...so if the Pens want him they are going to have to knock the socks off of BG and probably overpay. I am sure Flower would waive his NMC for the Pens but I just don't see why the Wild would trade him.
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 2
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If Pavel Buchnevich is only a 2nd + prospect, no way ROR is worth more from his production and cap hit this year.


Pavel Buchnevich would fetch 2 first round picks plus if traded today. Just because the Blues got him for that two years ago, doesn't mean that's what he would go for today...
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14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 4
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Ahhh I see well the Wild don't really need to trade MAF there is no reason to...so if the Pens want him they are going to have to knock the socks off of BG and probably overpay. I am sure Flower would waive his NMC for the Pens but I just don't see why the Wild would trade him.


He hasn't played that well this season, neither has DeSmith. Would think the Wild would see this as getting the same caliber goalie for a cheaper price and a winger in Kapanen who has potential.
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 5
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Blues aren't trading ROR unless get a first or a good prospect. This ain't it.


What do think is a fair Prospect with a pick package for O'Reilly ? Don't see Hextall moving a 1st for what could be a rental
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 5
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Pavel Buchnevich would fetch 2 first round picks plus if traded today. Just because the Blues got him for that two years ago, doesn't mean that's what he would go for today...


Waaaaaaaaay overvaluing your players.
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 7
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Waaaaaaaaay overvaluing your players.


Buch is worth a 1st +, Rangers got robbed in that deal
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 11
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Buch is worth a 1st +, Rangers got robbed in that deal


Everything I've seen reported is a 2nd + prospect / roster player.
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 14
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Everything I've seen reported is a 2nd + prospect / roster player.


Not one legitimate reporter has reported that. Kevin Weekes tweeted that the Blues might get a 1st for Barbeshev, and Buch is much better than him and signed on a bargain of a contract for 2 more years...
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 17
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He hasn't played that well this season, neither has DeSmith. Would think the Wild would see this as getting the same caliber goalie for a cheaper price and a winger in Kapanen who has potential.


By no means has Flower played like he did in years past but he has been solid this year, besides a few games where the whole team hung him or Gus out to dry. I just don't see BG trading him unless its something that really wows him and is a no brainer. The cap space would be nice but there are other ways to free up cap space in which BG would do before trading Flower. Who knows maybe Flower hangs 'em up after this year freeing up more cap space.
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 21
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Everything I've seen reported is a 2nd + prospect / roster player.


Hahahaha what? Link, please.
14 févr. 2023 à 17 h 38
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Everything I've seen reported is a 2nd + prospect / roster player.


Stop man. You’re mixing up Barbashev and Buchnevich. V silly
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14 févr. 2023 à 18 h 54
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Pavel Buchnevich would fetch 2 first round picks plus if traded today. Just because the Blues got him for that two years ago, doesn't mean that's what he would go for today...


Kevin Fiala, a better player by far, got a 1st (19th ova) and Faber (A top 50 prospect). That trade was just this PAST offseason.

Where's the extra 1st and plus stuff going to come from for the Blues in regards to getting a better return than Fiala for a lesser player in Buchnevich?

Furthermore, the ask for Jonathan Toews is reported to be a 2nd round pick. You know the guy that has THREE cups to his name to O'Reilly's one, and is out playing O'Reilly by miles this year. So tell me again how O'Reilly is somehow worth a 1st and/or good prospect when the better player in Toews is only worth a 2nd round pick?
14 févr. 2023 à 19 h 20
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Kevin Fiala, a better player by far, got a 1st (19th ova) and Faber (A top 50 prospect). That trade was just this PAST offseason.

Where's the extra 1st and plus stuff going to come from for the Blues in regards to getting a better return than Fiala for a lesser player in Buchnevich?

Furthermore, the ask for Jonathan Toews is reported to be a 2nd round pick. You know the guy that has THREE cups to his name to O'Reilly's one, and is out playing O'Reilly by miles this year. So tell me again how O'Reilly is somehow worth a 1st and/or good prospect when the better player in Toews is only worth a 2nd round pick?


1. Fiala had to be traded because Minn couldn’t fit him
2. Buch doesn’t and isn’t going to be traded.
3. Apparently people don’t know the difference between Barbeshev and Buchnevich…
14 févr. 2023 à 19 h 24
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Kevin Fiala, a better player by far, got a 1st (19th ova) and Faber (A top 50 prospect). That trade was just this PAST offseason.

Where's the extra 1st and plus stuff going to come from for the Blues in regards to getting a better return than Fiala for a lesser player in Buchnevich?

Furthermore, the ask for Jonathan Toews is reported to be a 2nd round pick. You know the guy that has THREE cups to his name to O'Reilly's one, and is out playing O'Reilly by miles this year. So tell me again how O'Reilly is somehow worth a 1st and/or good prospect when the better player in Toews is only worth a 2nd round pick?


The Blues will resign ROR if they don’t get what they want. I don’t care what Toews is worth - you obviously have no clue. He also has a nmc, costs more, and is older. I’m sure plenty of gm’s would prefer ROR over Toews. You don’t know what someone is worth until they are traded. You can cry about getting players for cheap all you want but that doesn’t happen at the deadline very often
14 févr. 2023 à 19 h 37
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1. Fiala had to be traded because Minn couldn’t fit him
2. Buch doesn’t and isn’t going to be traded.
3. Apparently people don’t know the difference between Barbeshev and Buchnevich…


1) Fiala could easily have been kept. It would simply have required Guerin to move out 3-4 players and their contracts to get it done.

The notion or idea that Minnesota couldn’t fit him in, is a idiotic one at best. They very easily could have. But Guerin chose instead to keep his teams depth intact over one player, and subsequently only making one move versus multiple. Which means less work involved for him as an NHL GM.

Don't confuse that with having to move him. Because that's two very different things.

2) Good for you, don't care. This is about his value, not whether he is available.

3) I don't care one bit about Barbashev, because he's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Your comment centered on Buchnevich, and what you thought his value was. I responded giving a comparable player, albeit better, who was traded recently for much less than what you said Buchnevich was worth. Then I asked why you think it's possible that Buchnevich could possibly get more than what Fiala did. I then gave my reasons as to why I disagreed.

That's the discussion at hand.
14 févr. 2023 à 19 h 59
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The Blues will resign ROR if they don’t get what they want. I don’t care what Toews is worth - you obviously have no clue. He also has a nmc, costs more, and is older. I’m sure plenty of gm’s would prefer ROR over Toews. You don’t know what someone is worth until they are traded. You can cry about getting players for cheap all you want but that doesn’t happen at the deadline very often


No I don't, and very clearly you do not as well.

Michael Russo who covers the Wild locally, as well as writes nationally, and is widely regarded as one of the best beat writers in hockey and NHL insiders. However, does. He literally stated in one of his most recent podcasts that the asking price for Toews is a 2nd round pick. Other insiders like Friedman and LeBrun have stated similar asking prices for him as well.

I think it's safe to assume the asking price for Toews is a 2nd.

As for O'Reilly over Toews, I find that incredibly hard to believe.

O'Reilly is having the worst year of his career, and frankly has been atrocious at times. He's easily one the main contributing factors as to why the Blues suck this year. If you don't think NHL GM's consider that, or try to use it to acquire that player for less. I don't know what to tell you. By comparison Toews is playing decent hockey on one of worst teams in the league but they're losing in spite of him, not because of him. Kind of a rather large distinction don’t you think?

At this stage I can't see O'Reilly getting more in a trade package then Toews. Not when Toews has outplayed him this year, on an even worse team no less.

Maybe O'Reilly resigns, maybe not. But I wouldn’t hold my breath on getting nearly as good of a return as you think he can get.
14 févr. 2023 à 20 h 0
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1) Fiala could easily have been kept. It would simply have required Guerin to move out 3-4 players and their contracts to get it done.

The notion or idea that Minnesota couldn’t fit him in, is a idiotic one at best. They very easily could have. But Guerin chose instead to keep his teams depth intact over one player, and subsequently only making one move versus multiple. Which means less work involved for him as an NHL GM.

Don't confuse that with having to move him. Because that's two very different things.

2) Good for you, don't care. This is about his value, not whether he is available.

3) I don't care one bit about Barbashev, because he's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Your comment centered on Buchnevich, and what you thought his value was. I responded giving a comparable player, albeit better, who was traded recently for much less than what you said Buchnevich was worth. Then I asked why you think it's possible that Buchnevich could possibly get more than what Fiala did. I then gave my reasons as to why I disagreed.

That's the discussion at hand.


I said Buchnevich would require the equivalent of two 1sts (what Fiala was in essence traded for) plus. At the deadline - yes he would costs something in that ballpark seeing as he is signed cheaply for two more years. Fiala costs more than $2m more per than Buch…

If you think Minn could have easily kept Fiala, you obviously have no idea how the cap works and the sort of cap hell Minn is going to be in even without having an almost $8m Fiala on their roster…
14 févr. 2023 à 20 h 7
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-Blues probably keep & re-sign ROR if that's the best offer - a bottom-6 pending UFA, a B-tier prospect who's almost too old to be called one anymore, and a 2nd (assuming you count the 3rd for retention) doesn't feel like the kind of deal I'd want to bring back to the fanbase. Regardless of how you feel about his play, it feels like the Blues are going to want to get overpaid for him and this isn't that.

-Arizona passes. You're asking them to retain $2.25M on Ghost and then take back $4.05M of Dumo, then you're making them wait an extra year for the reward? I'd say you probably need another solid asset in here to keep them on the phone.

-Why would the Wild ask MAF to waive for this? They're getting a career backup that's a pending UFA, plus a guy who'd be on his third "change of scenery", and they're the ones adding a pick? By including Kapanen, the Wild are actually adding $1.5M in cap to their team, plus when have you ever heard of a team downgrading their starting goalie in the middle of a playoff chase? Hard no from the Wild.
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