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TDL and Offseason moves for Wings

Créé par: CJ1909
Équipe: 2023-24 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 7 févr. 2023
Publié: 7 févr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
- Trading for Meier entices Larkin to sign long-term to play with a #1 Winger
- Larkin signs for $71M total
- The trouba deal is really to help the Red Wings D side. The deal is not long enough to be a killer as Perron, Vrana, come off the books next year and Fabbri the year after with the young movement coming in.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 500 000 $
2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
88 875 000 $
22 500 000 $
45 000 000 $
22 000 000 $
18 000 000 $
13 000 000 $
11 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Meier, Timo
88 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
DET
  1. Meier, Timo [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
TDL 22/23 - signs extension to play with Larkin
SJS
  1. Mastrosimone, Robert [Liste de réserve]
  2. Wallinder, William [Liste de réserve]
  3. Zadina, Filip
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (STL)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DET)
Détails additionnels:
Probably do Wallinder or Johansson - whomever SJS want as Johansson is nearer to NHL
2.
DET
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali [Droits de RFA]
  2. Trouba, Jacob
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
TDL 22/23 - I've heard trouba name come up in trade talks as they rangers might need to clear a little cap next year for moves/deals (Chytil)
NYR
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler
  2. Kubalik, Dominik
  3. Määttä, Olli
Détails additionnels:
TDL 22/23 with Maata/Bert being UFAs to be
Rachats de contrats
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $80 076 389 $0 $4 257 500 $3 423 611 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Meier, Timo
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
8 875 000 $8 875 000 $
C
UFA - 8
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C, AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
925 000 $925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 460 000 $1 460 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
RFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
878 333 $878 333 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
AG, C
RFA - 2
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 3
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
RFA - 1

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7 févr. 2023 à 19 h 23
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Red Wings aren't buyers and the Rangers aren't trading Trouba. Not this season anyway. Or next season. Their Cup window is right now.
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7 févr. 2023 à 19 h 27
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No thanks paying Larkin nearly $9,000,000 per and Meier wants $9,000,000 per and then adding Trouba for $8,000,000 good luck giving decent money to either Raymond or Seider than.
7 févr. 2023 à 19 h 34
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I dont think these are the grade of prospect the sharks are looking for


maybe Kasper
7 févr. 2023 à 19 h 40
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Rangers are not trading their captain.
7 févr. 2023 à 19 h 54
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Kinda just ruined the future cap. Bonus to pay and good RFAs want raises also. Seem to give up a lot to get a RFA (Meier) than pay him UFA pay.
7 févr. 2023 à 20 h 10
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So yes of course to Meier and I covet trouba but they won't move him. Kane gets multiple years from someone and he's not top of my list.
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7 févr. 2023 à 20 h 11
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Quoting: Jfstompers
So yes of course to Meier and I covet trouba but they won't move him. Kane gets multiple years from someone and he's not top of my list.


Yes, I’m not sure why I’ve seen things that they are open to moving Trouba.

Kane was mostly to get another top line guy not through trade as Pasta doesn’t make sense.
7 févr. 2023 à 20 h 13
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Yes, I’m not sure why I’ve seen things that they are open to moving Trouba.

Kane was mostly to get another top line guy not through trade as Pasta doesn’t make sense.


I get it and it's not the worse use of extra cap laying around for 1 season
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7 févr. 2023 à 20 h 17
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No thanks paying Larkin nearly $9,000,000 per and Meier wants $9,000,000 per and then adding Trouba for $8,000,000 good luck giving decent money to either Raymond or Seider than.



Quoting: palhal
Kinda just ruined the future cap. Bonus to pay and good RFAs want raises also. Seem to give up a lot to get a RFA (Meier) than pay him UFA pay.


Not really. Let’s say Seider wants $9m and Ray wants $7+. That’s $14M more than they cost now. With Vrana $5.25M + Perron $4.75M coming off that’s $10M right there + $8m for Kane. Even if Kane doesn’t sign a 1 year deal then we save that $8M and there’s an additional $4M in cap space. That doesn’t even take into account the cap not going up probably another $2m in 23/24.

These moves doesn’t hurt them cap wise long term, it balances and aligns them during years that bigger deals will need to be signed.
7 févr. 2023 à 20 h 50
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That is a massive overpay for Meier. Given that he is rental to most teams due the QO, his value is damaged. The teams that can afford Meier are mostly not in the win now mode, so Meier will be less enticed to sign for under 9. Detroit is one of the very few teams who could fit Meier long term and be an up and coming destination. Buffalo is another team that could, and maybe LA or Columbus? The point is, Meier does not get a big return like what is offered here. Wallinder is a top D prospect, and a 1st next year should be enough in this case.
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7 févr. 2023 à 22 h 7
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That is a massive overpay for Meier. Given that he is rental to most teams due the QO, his value is damaged. The teams that can afford Meier are mostly not in the win now mode, so Meier will be less enticed to sign for under 9. Detroit is one of the very few teams who could fit Meier long term and be an up and coming destination. Buffalo is another team that could, and maybe LA or Columbus? The point is, Meier does not get a big return like what is offered here. Wallinder is a top D prospect, and a 1st next year should be enough in this case.


Would you do Wallinder, Zadina and a ‘24 1st?
7 févr. 2023 à 22 h 27
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Would you do Wallinder, Zadina and a ‘24 1st?


No, not for what it will take to sign Meier. Reality is that Meier is basically the production of a healthy Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi put together a healthy 60-70 point season this year, he'd be a better value than Meier.

Chances are high that SJ keeps Meier this year and sells him as a rental next year after qualifying him. Yes, it is expensive, but I don't think any team gives up a top prospect and a good chance for a higher 1st.
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8 févr. 2023 à 5 h 53
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Rangers are not trading their captain.


Rangers will absolutely trade their Captain...after 23-24 when his NMC expires. Clearing that large Cap hit off the books will be a top priority.

If they can trade Callahan and McDonagh, then they can do it to him. His physical play has inspired this team, without question. But his overall play is simply not reflective off his pay grade.
8 févr. 2023 à 11 h 57
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Rangers will absolutely trade their Captain...after 23-24 when his NMC expires. Clearing that large Cap hit off the books will be a top priority.

If they can trade Callahan and McDonagh, then they can do it to him. His physical play has inspired this team, without question. But his overall play is simply not reflective off his pay grade.


They are not trading their captain now was my point. And IMO opinion, his overall play warrants his play, I have no problem with his cost. Nobody on the team could have turned this season around like he did in Chicago. He may not be flashy, but he brings everything he has every game, unlike many players on the roster, and he does things no one else does or will even try to do. People complain about his pay like it's coming out of their own bank accounts and it's silly.
8 févr. 2023 à 12 h 44
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They are not trading their captain now was my point. And IMO opinion, his overall play warrants his play, I have no problem with his cost. Nobody on the team could have turned this season around like he did in Chicago. He may not be flashy, but he brings everything he has every game, unlike many players on the roster, and he does things no one else does or will even try to do. People complain about his pay like it's coming out of their own bank accounts and it's silly.


It's a hard Cap league. His large Cap hit takes away the financial maneuverability the FO has to work with, in order to ice the best team possible.

Breakout players like Chytil and KAM, who the team would like to lock up to longer term deals, are impacted by this lack of maneuverability.

I know it's not just Trouba. The same mindset is had over Kreider (whose NMC expires at the same time), among others.

But when a player makes a ton, and doesn't perform up to said amount, it's natural to want to make room for the better of the team Overall.
8 févr. 2023 à 13 h 9
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It's a hard Cap league. His large Cap hit takes away the financial maneuverability the FO has to work with, in order to ice the best team possible.

Breakout players like Chytil and KAM, who the team would like to lock up to longer term deals, are impacted by this lack of maneuverability.

I know it's not just Trouba. The same mindset is had over Kreider (whose NMC expires at the same time), among others.

But when a player makes a ton, and doesn't perform up to said amount, it's natural to want to make room for the better of the team Overall.


Yeah, heard all this 1,000 times. But a player performing to his cap hit is subjective, isn't it? What player on the team other than Kreider is a lock to score at least mid-20 goals per year, is on pace for about 35 this season and had 52 last season? Only Mika provides that level of goal scoring. Kreider is also the best net front presence in the league on the PP, that's just a fact. He is also now killing penalties and is quite good at it, and also is a treat to score shorthanded goals, scoring 5 since he started on the PK last season. He plays responsible defense, drives puck possession and oh yeah, he is big, fast and can play physical when he wants. He gets all of $6.5m/year. IMO, he is underpaid. People cry about losing Buchnevich, but he gets $5.7m/year from the Blues and Kreider is a much better all around hockey player and scores more goals to boot. So please, with the Kreider is overpaid nonsense. As to Trouba, He plays solid D, chips in with some offense (half a point a game last season), blocks tons of shots, mentors K'Andre and Schneider, is the most feared hitter in the league (legal hits), stands up for himself and his teammates any and every time it's needed, and is the only guy on the team that can inspire them to actually play better hockey when they are not playing well. He is a leader in words and action, something this team has needed for a long time. IMO, he earns every penny of his salary. Drury will work out the salary cap issues, I think he knows more about it than all the pretend GM's on here.
8 févr. 2023 à 13 h 48
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Yeah, heard all this 1,000 times. But a player performing to his cap hit is subjective, isn't it? What player on the team other than Kreider is a lock to score at least mid-20 goals per year, is on pace for about 35 this season and had 52 last season? Only Mika provides that level of goal scoring. Kreider is also the best net front presence in the league on the PP, that's just a fact. He is also now killing penalties and is quite good at it, and also is a treat to score shorthanded goals, scoring 5 since he started on the PK last season. He plays responsible defense, drives puck possession and oh yeah, he is big, fast and can play physical when he wants. He gets all of $6.5m/year. IMO, he is underpaid. People cry about losing Buchnevich, but he gets $5.7m/year from the Blues and Kreider is a much better all around hockey player and scores more goals to boot. So please, with the Kreider is overpaid nonsense. As to Trouba, He plays solid D, chips in with some offense (half a point a game last season), blocks tons of shots, mentors K'Andre and Schneider, is the most feared hitter in the league (legal hits), stands up for himself and his teammates any and every time it's needed, and is the only guy on the team that can inspire them to actually play better hockey when they are not playing well. He is a leader in words and action, something this team has needed for a long time. IMO, he earns every penny of his salary. Drury will work out the salary cap issues, I think he knows more about it than all the pretend GM's on here.


Not when these GM's keep handing out NMC'S like hot cakes.

I can accept your take on Kreider being worth his value, while still standing pat that Trouba is overpaid (intangibles and all). But whether these guys earn their larger deals or not, the restricted movement of those deals is just as bad.

Having multiple players on longer term deals (Hey Trocheck) that can outlast other players on their ELC'S and Bridge deals combined, and can restrict movement via trade in order to rectify said issue, also affects maneuverability.

Trouba got his money. Fine. But at a time where he finally allows the club to maneuver around his Contract, in order to make room for other players to better the club, you have to strike when those opportunities present themselves.
8 févr. 2023 à 13 h 56
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Not when these GM's keep handing out NMC'S like hot cakes.

I can accept your take on Kreider being worth his value, while still standing pat that Trouba is overpaid (intangibles and all). But whether these guys earn their larger deals or not, the restricted movement of those deals is just as bad.

Having multiple players on longer term deals (Hey Trocheck) that can outlast other players on their ELC'S and Bridge deals combined, and can restrict movement via trade in order to rectify said issue, also affects maneuverability.

Trouba got his money. Fine. But at a time where he finally allows the club to maneuver around his Contract, in order to make room for other players to better the club, you have to strike when those opportunities present themselves.


Like I said, it's subjective. I'm fine with Trouba's cap hit and many aren't, which is fine. Restrictive caps are the problem of all contending teams, it's not unique to the Rangers. I think Drury has done a pretty good job managing the Rangers cap situation, which was screwed when he took over because of all of Gorton's buy outs. Next season they actually have no dead cap space, when was the last time the Rangers could say that? They are still paying Shatty and Girardi for gods sake. I have confidence Drury will get Laffy, Chytil and Miller all signed, and if that means bridge deals, so be it, because the cap will go up a good amount by the time their bridge deals are done, and by then Trouba will not have as restrictive a contract.
 
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