Yea, i would say this trade checks out. Maybe Mantha and McMichael can benefit from less pressure/fresh start

McMichael is a B prospect at best. Already 22 and not made much progress at becoming the player people thought he would be. Mantha is not at all what the Sharks are looking for. They're looking for a young roster player with potential, not just ANY roster player. And that cap hit is brutal. Chesley is just not an interesting prospect at all.

Very hard pass

don't think SJ accepts, but it's close imo

McMichael isn't the prospect he once was considered to be and correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem him as probably a 3rd line center with decent offensive upside at his best.
don't know much about Chesley but he seems decent.
Mantha's contract is bad and is a UFA after so if anything, negative value I think.

McM is basically Krebs... teams will take a risk on a guy who was comparable to Cozen just a few years ago.
Mantha is a roster player than can be flipped for additional assets. Top 6 player.
"Chesley is just not an interesting prospect at all" explain.... i would love to hear this one.

Yes. Would be open to Debrincat too

imo McMichael would be the equivalent to Krebs ( better imo) last year 52.24cf% 52.86ff% 56.45 xgf%. if he was given some icetime he would likely turn into a solid player. worst case i would say hes a 3c.... could easily turn into a 1-2c ( 2c is most likely) impossible to know bc hes never been given a real opportunity

I would also love to hear the explanation of "Chesley is just not an interesting prospect at all" lolol

I think someone doesn't have a clue about him.....

Anyways - yes as a Caps fan I would like this. But I think other teams (i.e. devils) will outbid this offer

Timo is a top player in the league. The Sharks are not giving him up to take risks on guys that their time is running out. Mantha is .5 ppg, that's not top six production. He also has a big cap hit with term so he can't be flipped. Chesley is the best piece but isn't all that exciting. He dropped in his draft year, and is having a very average year this year for a puck-moving d-man.

It's just not at all what the Sharks are looking for. NJ, BUF, TOR, etc could offer way more.

""Chesley is just not an interesting prospect at all" is something a person would say if they don't know the prospect and are way too lazy to look him up. aka thoughtless comment

Devil might but they will likely have to trade Holtz or Nemec.... i imagine thats what would push this over the top

Timo is #40 in points in the NHL and has never been a ppg player... hes maybe a top 50 player. Devils could possibly offer someone like Holtz or Nemec and that would be a massive overpayment. Buffalo isnt offering you anything for him. Toronto cant resign him.. havinga 9-10m QO isnt exactly the greatest

7 points in 28 games in his Freshman year, dropped in the draft last year. Ranked around the 7th best prospect in the Washington system which one of the worst in the league. I'm not saying he's bad. But he's not what the Sharks are trading their top forward for when they can get someone like Casey or Mukh from NJ or Niemela (also having a down year this year) from TO.

Again, in combination with a middle six forward with a bad contract, and a "maybe he could still become a good player" type of prospect, it's not a good trade to make.

He drives play on a line that is ranked 12th in the entire league in xGF/60 on a really bad team. With a good team he'd have much better production.
It also tells me how much of Timo you've actually watched.

Sharks should consider if Timo doesn't re-sign in SJ

LOL

""maybe he could still become a good player" .... McM playing 8 minutes a game with nobodies 52.24cf% 52.86ff% 56.45 xgf%

"With a good team he'd have much better production. It also tells me how much of Timo you've actually watched." irony is rich here

Washignton prospect pool
Ivan Miroshnichenko, LW, 18
Connor McMichael, C/W, 22
Hendrix Lapierre, C, 20
Ryan Chesley, RHD, 18
Alexei Protas, C, 22

ranking 25th... before guys like Suzdalev and Miroshnichenko started showing a lot of promise / showed they are healthy. ranked 30th the year before.

Cool, nothing here remotely changes Sharks minds to get rid of their best forward. Again, not saying they're bad, they just don't remotely good enough to get Timo. And yes, congrats on going from the 3rd worst, to 8th worst in your prospect pool though!

McMichael would be Sharks' 2nd or 3rd best prospect, Chesley would probably be 6th or 7th. Mantha is a fine player who is overpaid but just has one more year left on his contract, someone the Sharks could easily rehab and flip next deadline a la Monahan, and basically any Meier deal will require SJ to take back some amount of "bad" salary. The 23 1st has a lot of value, and would theoretically be one of the highest ones being offered (Caps probably fall into 15-20 range, NJD and TOR 25-32). As others have said, I could see this offer being beat, but not by a very significant amount. This is a very comparable package to what DeBrincat and Eichel got, and more than Horvat and Fiala. Don't expect 23 1st + Nemec + Sharangovich or even 23 1st + Fehervary + Miro, it's not going to happen.

I'll take Eklund, Gushchin, Havelid, Laroque, Bordeleau, and Bystedt over McMichael.

The other offers that I've seen on here are things like 1st, 2nd, Mittlestadt, & Ostlund from BUF. 1st, Mukh/Casey, and Shengovich fro NJ. I'd take those over this offer any day. And those are the decent returns, Meier could very well get more than that.

I wouldn't disagree with you that those packages are better than the one here, but not by a crazy amount. That NJD package is the absolute top end of what I can see Meier getting though

Cool ... Agian a forward thats QO is 10m? look at his comparables

Marner 10.9m 97p last year on pace for 94p this year
Tkachuk 9.5m 104p last year on pace for 110 this year
Kaprizov 9m 108p last year on pace for 101 this year

Point my be the closet comparable to him but Point is a lot better...

Sharks prospect pool is #17 and they have been trash .... 8 spots ahead of a team that buys and competes every year. Eklund is good. Gushchin doesnt look like anything special. i would gladly take Suzdalev over him. McM atm is better (2019 draft year instead of 2020) but McM in the AHL at his age had 27p in 33gp. Gushchin is like a .5ppg player. Havelid has 3p in 13gp in the SHL. weird to claim you would rather have such a unproven / underwhelming player over a much more proven talent but again idk if you actually understand prospects or if you are just regurgitating what you see on the internet. Laroque is putting up good numbers in the WHL but id still say Chelsey is a WAY WAY better prospect. Bordeleau imo is your 2nd best prospect but again still not better than McM.. weird you had him 2nd to last on your list. Bystedt is very promising AGIAN weird you had him after Havelid bc hes a much better player. But i would say Eklund McM/Bystedt then Bordeleau. actually i would put Bordeleau in the mix. imo Miroshnichenko is better than Eklund but again if i was you i would do more research before just guessing

issue is his QO... youd almost have to send him to a team like the Devils. Buffalo doesnt really need him / could get Pasta for a similar $$$ if Boston doesnt sign him.

but even in the AHL ... 20 points in 27 games at 22 years old isn't anything special

Higher ppg in the AHL than both Bordeleau and Eklund!

Forgot to add Iorio RHD - he would probably slot in after Miroshnichenko. He is has been fantastic in Hershey this year.

no doubt but thats to be expected. His first year in the AHL he was producing at close to a ppg then he spent an entire season in the NHL (getting jerked around) then the next year he gets sent down. first handful of games you could see he was frustrated but now you can see he's fully embracing it and his play is reflecting it. Hershey is a deep team. if you watch him play their youd see his game is where is needs to be. honestly he should be in the NHL... Watching him play i had him and Cozens as equals ( Cozen being more offensive / slightly better). If you recall WJC McM actually beat Cozen out for the center position bc his 2 way game was better

TBH Suzdalev could easily slot in the top 5. Bedard about him and had nothing but amazing things to say about him